The Jan 6 Commission hearings

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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Samurai
What statistics ya got on that? Can't imagine drumph only being double. Unless perhaps you compare 8 years of Obama to 4 years of drumphy?
One site said Obama played 300+ rounds in eight years. Trump in four years had 266 visits to his golf resorts so it was difficult to pinpoint. But they also said he was wearing golf attire most of the time. I liked how Trump complained about how much golf Obama played during his tenure. Then goes out golfing a lot himself. Eisenhower has the most with over 800 hahaha. I think though he had one nearby the WH hence the high amount.

Anyway one site broke it down to Obama every 8.7 days to Trump's 4.9 or so. Pretty silly to be going Obama sure plays a lot of golf! When is he going to do any real work?! Then visits his golf resorts all the time.
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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One site said Obama played 300+ rounds in eight years. Trump in four years had 266 visits to his golf resorts so it was difficult to pinpoint. But they also said he was wearing golf attire most of the time. I liked how Trump complained about how much golf Obama played during his tenure. Then goes out golfing a lot himself. Eisenhower has the most with over 800 hahaha. I think though he had one nearby the WH hence the high amount.

Anyway one site broke it down to Obama every 8.7 days to Trump's 4.9 or so. Pretty silly to be going Obama sure plays a lot of golf! When is he going to do any real work?! Then visits his golf resorts all the time.
Let alone his own resorts, generating revenue....what a grifter!
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Samurai
Let alone his own resorts, generating revenue....what a grifter!
The Doral resort scam. President Washington ran his private business along side his presidency. I meant he said that to justify running his businesses while in office.
 
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Mr._Clark

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If you look at his campaign ideas from the beginning, he was trying to get people to see that Washington DC is a cesspool, but he called it a 'swamp'. I have seen you complain about the members of our government- that's exactly why he ran, even though he had said he wouldn't when interviewed.
I don't think that is why he ran. He ran because he's an egomaniac.

It was just his marketing shtick, based on what a former democratic pollster (Patrick Caddell) and Bob Mercer (a hedge fund billionaire) advised him to say.

>>>In 2013, at a conservative conference in Palm Beach, an oil tycoon named William Lee Hanley, who had commissioned some polls from Patrick Caddell, asked him to show the data to Mercer and Bannon, who were at the event. The data showed mounting anger toward wealthy élites, who many Americans believed had corrupted the government so that it served only their interests. There was a hunger for a populist Presidential candidate who would run against the major political parties and the ruling class. The data “showed that someone could just walk into this election and sweep it,” Caddell told me. When Mercer saw the numbers, he asked for the polling to be repeated. Caddell got the same results. “It was stunning,” he said. “The country was on the verge of an uprising against its leaders. I just fell over!” . . .

During the next year or so, Caddell’s poll numbers tilted more and more away from the establishment. Caddell’s partner Bob Perkins, an advertising executive and a former finance director of the Republican Party, told me, “By then, it was clear there wouldn’t be a third-party candidate. But we thought that a Republican who harnessed the angst had a real chance.” At one point, Caddell tested all the declared Presidential candidates, including Trump, as a possible Mr. Smith. “People didn’t think Trump had the temperament to be President,” Caddell said. “He clearly wasn’t the best Smith, but he was the only Smith. He was the only one with the resources and the name recognition.” . . .

Caddell circulated his research to anyone who would listen, and that included people inside the Trump campaign. “Pat Caddell is like an Old Testament prophet,” Bannon said. “He’s been talking about alienation of the voters for twenty-five years, and people didn’t pay attention—but he’s a brilliant guy, and he nailed it.” The political consultant and strategist Roger Stone, who is a longtime Trump confidant, was fascinated by the research, and he forwarded a memo about it to Trump. Caddell said that he spoke with Trump about “some of the data,” but noted, “With Trump, it’s all instinct—he is not exactly a deep-dive thinker.” . . .

The Mercers redirected their Cruz super PAC to support Trump, and gave two million dollars to it. . . .

Later that summer, Manafort was forced to resign, after the press reported his links to Ukrainian oligarchs. In the vacuum, the Mercers soon established control over the Trump campaign. . . .

On December 3rd, the Mercer family hosted a victory celebration at Owl’s Nest—a costume party with a heroes-and-villains theme. Rebekah Mercer welcomed several hundred guests, including Donald Trump. In extemporaneous remarks, Trump thanked the Mercers, saying that they had been “instrumental in bringing some organization” to his campaign. He specifically named Bannon, Conway, and Bossie. Trump then joked that he’d just had the longest conversation of his life with Bob Mercer—and it was just “two words.” . . .

David Magerman, in his essay for the Inquirer, notes that Mercer “has surrounded our President with his people, and his people have an outsized influence over the running of our country, simply because Robert Mercer paid for their seats.” He writes, “Everyone has a right to express their views.” But, he adds, “when the government becomes more like a corporation, with the richest 0.001% buying shares and demanding board seats, then we cease to be a representative democracy.” Instead, he warns, “we become an oligarchy.” <<<

 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Field Marshall
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/01/reffitt-sentence-jan6/

"The first U.S. Capitol riot defendant convicted at trial was sentenced to more than seven years in prison Monday, the longest punishment handed down to date in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on Congress."

"Guy Reffitt, a recruiter for the right-wing Texas Three Percenters movement, was convicted March 8 of five felony offenses, including obstruction of Congress as it met to certify the 2020 election result, interfering with police and carrying a firearm to a riot, and threatening his teenage son, who turned him in to the FBI. Prosecutors said Reffitt led a mob while armed at the Capitol and asked a judge to sentence him to 15 years after applying a terrorism sentencing penalty."

U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt’s conduct in handing down an 87 month sentence, saying at a five-hour hearing that his views espousing political violence were “absurd,” “delusional” and “way outside of the mainstream.”

"Judge Friedrich further said before handing down the 87-month sentence. "And I want to be very clear ... under no legitimate definition of the term 'patriot' (does) Mr. Reffitt's behavior on and around January 6 fit the term. It is the antithesis of the word." Reffitt had previously claimed, from prision, that he was acting as a "patriot". Friedrich added: "The officers at the Capitol are the patriots, as well as those who fought and even died to protect our democracy, our rule of law ... those in the mob are not. Not only are they not patriots, they're a direct threat to our democracy and will be punished as such."

"A jury found that Reffitt traveled to D.C. from his home in Wylie, Tex., with an AR-style rifle and semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun and repeatedly stated his intention to come armed with a handgun and plastic handcuffs to drag lawmakers out of the building. After returning home from Washington, he threatened his children to ensure they did not to turn him in to authorities."

Another fine "patriot" from Texas! I know … there are many Texans who are both patriotic and law-abiding. Some even post here at AH. But I have to ask why so many other Texans seem to confuse "patriot" with "convicted felon", and "law abiding" with "heavily armed and dangerous".
Judge Friedrich was appointed by Trump, but she obviously wasn't buying the "it's okay for me to attack police officers because I'm a patriot" defense.

 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Samurai
But what was the basis of the Washington thing? Drumphy would lie on the drop of a hat about just about anything....
I'm not sure there was a basis. Trump just said it happened that way.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Slumlord
Wants to drain the swamp, but also wanted to host the G7 summit at Doral by claiming he was hosting it for free. As another pointed out, likely to benefit from the gov't paying for the renovations it needed. A fellow Republican mildly put down the idea (ie cause yanno presidents can't host events at their own private business).:rolleyes:

Had Trump won a second-term, he was on pace to nearly double the golfing trips of Obama. A source here referenced in a comparison, it wasn't even close: Trump used much more taxpayer dollars on these excursions than Obama.

Your second paragraph sounds just like Trump.
I would bet that various members of Congress have made far more money through insider trading than he made with his gold courses/clubs.

My second paragraph was "I don't like him as a person, but I agree with several of the ideas." but I'm not sure he would say that. What were you referring to and why does it sound like Trump?
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Slumlord
That was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the title of the article linked to in the prior post:

"Biden admin quietly approves construction of U.S.-Mexico border wall near Yuma, Arizona" (emphasis added).

I hereby apologize for any mental suffering that may have been caused by my lame attempt at humor.
Why not use some kind of code that shows sarcasm, or something like it?
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Here's yet another example of Trump's tax dodging – burying Ivana Trump at his golf course.
Trump's National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., is now acting as a “cemetery company”. (a suggested slogan: “People are dying to get into Bedminster!”) And he has already landed his first occupant: He just buried his late ex-wife, Ivana Trump, right near the first tee.

Photos published by the New York Post on Sunday show a lone grave at the edge of a field with some yellowed grass around it, a clump of white flowers on the freshly turned earth and a flat stone marker with a less-than-effusive epitaph: “IVANA TRUMP, February 20, 1949 - July 14, 2022.”
Trump (& his oldest kids) have seemingly turned his late ex-wife (& their late mother) into a tax dodge. Dartmouth professor Brooke Harrington, a specialist in tax optimization, checked the New Jersey tax code and reported that operating a cemetery at the Trump National offers “a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She tweeted that it “looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.”

This digs up an old issue for Trump. David A. Fahrenthold reported for The Washington Post in 2017 that local officials had approved two burial grounds at Trump’s New Jersey club: the 10-plot one near the first hole where Ivana now rests and a 284-plot parcel for anybody who wants to buy “eternal membership in Trump’s club”. The proposals had gone through various iterations — up to 1,000 graves for the public one, and, for the private one (which a Trump representative said would entomb “only the good Trumps,” including Trump himself), stone obelisks 19 feet high, along with a combined mausoleum and chapel that would double as a wedding venue.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

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Judge Friedrich was appointed by Trump, but she obviously wasn't buying the "it's okay for me to attack police officers because I'm a patriot" defense.
Good for her, bought time they (Judges) do their job ..........
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Samurai
I would bet that various members of Congress have made far more money through insider trading than he made with his gold courses/clubs.

My second paragraph was "I don't like him as a person, but I agree with several of the ideas." but I'm not sure he would say that. What were you referring to and why does it sound like Trump?
You said he was trying to drain the swamp, but only to be part of the swamp with the examples listed. See the hypocrisy? Maybe next time do the scam w/o complaining about the scammers.

I would also like to see some major changes in our election process- no more blatant lying about the opponents, no childish rants and tantrums during debates, no clown cars from any party.

It was this part I was referring to as Trump.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Field Marshall
Pat Cipollone received a subpoena to testify before a grand jury in the DOJ investigation of January 6. This does not necessarily mean Trump will be indicted, of course.

In contrast to the House investigation, the DOJ could (emphasis on "could") bring criminal charges:

>>>Unlike the House investigation, the Justice Department would be able to bring criminal charges against former Trump administration officials if it chooses.<<<

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/pat-cipollone-grand-jury/index.html

A claim of executive privilege is unlikely to be successful in a DOJ investigation:

>>>"In the grand jury context, it is only more apparent that any assertion of privilege would collapse: the relevant legal privileges belong to the very branch of the federal government that would be conducting the investigation, and a balancing analysis would overwhelmingly favor DOJ's need for testimony over any countervailing consideration," wrote Eggleston, who served as White House counsel at the end of the Obama administration.<<<

 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Pat Cipollone received a subpoena to testify before a grand jury in the DOJ investigation of January 6. This does not necessarily mean Trump will be indicted, of course.
All this works only if Cipollone values his future Bar Association membership more than he values his future in politics.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Ninja
Pat Cipollone received a subpoena to testify before a grand jury in the DOJ investigation of January 6. This does not necessarily mean Trump will be indicted, of course.

In contrast to the House investigation, the DOJ could (emphasis on "could") bring criminal charges:

>>>Unlike the House investigation, the Justice Department would be able to bring criminal charges against former Trump administration officials if it chooses.<<<

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/pat-cipollone-grand-jury/index.html

A claim of executive privilege is unlikely to be successful in a DOJ investigation:

>>>"In the grand jury context, it is only more apparent that any assertion of privilege would collapse: the relevant legal privileges belong to the very branch of the federal government that would be conducting the investigation, and a balancing analysis would overwhelmingly favor DOJ's need for testimony over any countervailing consideration," wrote Eggleston, who served as White House counsel at the end of the Obama administration.<<<

As I understand it from various articles it’s not likely that he can claim “executive privilege” either and prevail. Any attempt would likely to be rebuffed quickly, so no running out there clock either.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Ninja
All this works only if Cipollone values his future Bar Association membership more than he values his future in politics.
From what I’ve read and seen he does not strike me as a Josh Hawley type of person, so there is hope.
 

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