The Jan 6 Commission hearings

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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
I'm the first to admit Trump is wild one. No, I don't care for anyone's hate speech. I also think a setting president should have
been a LOT more condemning of what took place Jan. 6. People were killed! They couldn't do anything to harm the county's
election. I still haven't figured out WHY anyone thought they could disrupt a US election by doing anything, with 1000 time the
people, much less the few that showed up. Are people just stupid? It's like throwing rocks at a polar bear. Think bigger.
I don't know who's advise it was to do this, but it was a BAD one.

If ANY president should have done something like this it was Al Gore. He GAVE the presidency he won, away.
That was reason enough, GAVE IT AWAY. What a dummy. Give away Alaska too, ay? Gotta' have stones not pebbles.
AND "carry a big stick"
Beyond me to understand Trump's appeal. I've never seen a president escalate hate the way he has. With Biden's economy, I'd think it's pretty easy to find another Republican to believe in AND that can beat him easily. I think it comes down to owning the libs and the adrenaline of pouring more gasoline on the fire.
 
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OHMisback

Audioholic
It was the first time a non politician was elected. The fact that he did some serious talking from time to time and
the economy was doing so well, was enough to cover a lot of mistakes. The fact he lost gave him no time to clean
up the mess. He lost focus and intern lost the second time around. It was his to win or loose. He lost.

At this point anybody could beat Joe, sorry to say. Again it depends on Trump he could blow it for himself and
the party. I've voted for myself the last 45 years. I could care less who's president.

Lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is a BIG problem for me. It's total BS and not in the best interest of
any country to have life time politicians or appointed anything.. Look an North Korea, Russia and US.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
It was the first time a non politician was elected. The fact that he did some serious talking from time to time and
the economy was doing so well, was enough to cover a lot of mistakes. The fact he lost gave him no time to clean
up the mess. He lost focus and intern lost the second time around. It was his to win or loose. He lost.

At this point anybody could beat Joe, sorry to say. Again it depends on Trump he could blow it for himself and
the party. I've voted for myself the last 45 years. I could care less who's president.

Lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is a BIG problem for me. It's total BS and not in the best interest of
any country to have life time politicians or appointed anything.. Look an North Korea, Russia and US.
"It was the first time a non politician was elected."

This is factually incorrect. Eisenhowever was not a politician before he was elected. Herbert Hoover was also not a politician before he was elected (there are more).

Hoover and Trump have something else in common. The are two of the biggest losers in American political history. Specifically, Trump is the first president since Hoover in 1932 to lead his party to loses in both houses of congress and the White House in one presidential term.

"Lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is a BIG problem for me. It's total BS and not in the best interest of
any country to have life time politicians or appointed anything."

News flash: You have a BIG problem with the U.S. Constitution, and you also believe that the U.S. Constitution is "total BS."

Article III, Section 1 specifies lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court:

>>>The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.<<<


>>>To ensure an independent Judiciary and to protect judges from partisan pressures, the Constitution provides that judges serve during “good Behaviour,” which has generally meant life terms.<<<

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/institution.aspx

If you doubt that Article III, Section 1 actually means lifetime appointment, here's what Alexander Hamilton said in in the Federalist Papers:

>>>According to the plan of the convention, all judges who may be appointed by the United Sttews are to hold their offices during good behavior; which is conformable to the most approved of the state constittions….Its propriety having been drawn into question by the adversaries of that plan is no light symptom of the rage for objection which disorders their imaginations and judgments. The standard of good behavior for the continuance in office of the judicial magistracy is certainly one of the most valuable of the modern improvements in the practice of government….It is the best expedient which can be devised in any government to secure a steady, upright and impartial administrations of the laws….This independence of the judges is equally requisite to guard the Constitution and the rights of individuals from the effects of those ill humors which the arts of designing men, or the influence of particular conjunctures, sometimes disseminate among the people themselves, and which, though they speedily give place to better information, and more deliberate reflection, have a tendency, in the meantime, to occasion dangerous innovations in the government, and serious oppressions of the minor party in the community.<<<

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/constitution-check-did-the-founders-want-term-limits-for-supreme-court-just

My suggestion is to get started on amending the Constitution to fit your beliefs.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
Trump might qualify for good economy but least respected. Quite the achievement.
GDP growth under Trump was the worst since the beginning of the great depression under Hoover. COVID obviously had something to do with it, but I can't convince myself it was a good economy overall. Perhaps he gets credit for a "not 100% s*cky economy under the circumstances."


And, of course (sarcasm alert), he does get credit for building that big beautiful wall along the Mexican border and getting Mexico to pay for it just like he promised. I've never seen anything like it!
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
GDP growth under Trump was the worst since the beginning of the great depression under Hoover. COVID obviously had something to do with it, but I can't convince myself it was a good economy overall. Perhaps he gets credit for a "not 100% s*cky economy under the circumstances."


And, of course (sarcasm alert), he does get credit for building that big beautiful wall along the Mexican border and getting Mexico to pay for it just like he promised. I've never seen anything like it!
GDP's been going down since the 90s. Not sure what it is?
Trade was probably not one of Trump's strong points.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Kinzinger mentioned in an Msnbc interview he's been receiving death threats towards his six month old son by the far right.:rolleyes:
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
And, of course (sarcasm alert), he does get credit for building that big beautiful wall along the Mexican border and getting Mexico to pay for it just like he promised. I've never seen anything like it!
LOL, apparently 'ole Sleepy wants some of the action ........

 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
We all know that you're very past your prime since birth, or lack of it, but this is really dumb.
LOL, like you I never said Joe was the 'brightest bulb in the closet' ! ;)
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
LOL, apparently 'ole Sleepy wants some of the action ........

Yeah, you gotta keep your eye in him. Biden is crafty like an opossum, sneaking in and finishing that wall when no one is looking so he can take credit for it! I betcha he doesn't get it paid for by the Mexicans like Trump did, though.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Beyond me to understand Trump's appeal. I've never seen a president escalate hate the way he has. With Biden's economy, I'd think it's pretty easy to find another Republican to believe in AND that can beat him easily. I think it comes down to owning the libs and the adrenaline of pouring more gasoline on the fire.
If you look at his campaign ideas from the beginning, he was trying to get people to see that Washington DC is a cesspool, but he called it a 'swamp'. I have seen you complain about the members of our government- that's exactly why he ran, even though he had said he wouldn't when interviewed.

I don't like him as a person, but I agree with several of the ideas.

Term limits are an absolute necessity, at this point. Lobbying and using insider information need to end, IMMEDIATELY. I want an end to two year campaigns, especially if the candidate is still in office. If they want to campaign, let them do it on their own time, not ours- any time spent campaigning by a sitting member of the government can be docked from their pay and I don't care if they like it, they're not in office to become wealthy.

I would also like to see some major changes in our election process- no more blatant lying about the opponents, no childish rants and tantrums during debates, no clown cars from any party.
We need to remind them that they work for us, not vise-versa.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Yeah, you gotta keep your eye in him. Biden is crafty like an opossum, sneaking in and finishing that wall when no one is looking so he can take credit for it! I betcha he doesn't get it paid for by the Mexicans like Trump did, though.
What do you mean "when no one is looking"? EVERYONE is looking!
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
What do you mean "when no one is looking"? EVERYONE is looking!
That was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the title of the article linked to in the prior post:

"Biden admin quietly approves construction of U.S.-Mexico border wall near Yuma, Arizona" (emphasis added).

I hereby apologize for any mental suffering that may have been caused by my lame attempt at humor.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Then again some sections of the border have had fences/barriers for both parties....but not quite the same concept as a complete wall otoh.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/01/reffitt-sentence-jan6/

"The first U.S. Capitol riot defendant convicted at trial was sentenced to more than seven years in prison Monday, the longest punishment handed down to date in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on Congress."

"Guy Reffitt, a recruiter for the right-wing Texas Three Percenters movement, was convicted March 8 of five felony offenses, including obstruction of Congress as it met to certify the 2020 election result, interfering with police and carrying a firearm to a riot, and threatening his teenage son, who turned him in to the FBI. Prosecutors said Reffitt led a mob while armed at the Capitol and asked a judge to sentence him to 15 years after applying a terrorism sentencing penalty."

U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt’s conduct in handing down an 87 month sentence, saying at a five-hour hearing that his views espousing political violence were “absurd,” “delusional” and “way outside of the mainstream.”

"Judge Friedrich further said before handing down the 87-month sentence. "And I want to be very clear ... under no legitimate definition of the term 'patriot' (does) Mr. Reffitt's behavior on and around January 6 fit the term. It is the antithesis of the word." Reffitt had previously claimed, from prision, that he was acting as a "patriot". Friedrich added: "The officers at the Capitol are the patriots, as well as those who fought and even died to protect our democracy, our rule of law ... those in the mob are not. Not only are they not patriots, they're a direct threat to our democracy and will be punished as such."

"A jury found that Reffitt traveled to D.C. from his home in Wylie, Tex., with an AR-style rifle and semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun and repeatedly stated his intention to come armed with a handgun and plastic handcuffs to drag lawmakers out of the building. After returning home from Washington, he threatened his children to ensure they did not to turn him in to authorities."

Another fine "patriot" from Texas! I know … there are many Texans who are both patriotic and law-abiding. Some even post here at AH. But I have to ask why so many other Texans seem to confuse "patriot" with "convicted felon", and "law abiding" with "heavily armed and dangerous".
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
If you look at his campaign ideas from the beginning, he was trying to get people to see that Washington DC is a cesspool, but he called it a 'swamp'. I have seen you complain about the members of our government- that's exactly why he ran, even though he had said he wouldn't when interviewed.

I would also like to see some major changes in our election process- no more blatant lying about the opponents, no childish rants and tantrums during debates, no clown cars from any party.
Wants to drain the swamp, but also wanted to host the G7 summit at Doral by claiming he was hosting it for free. As another pointed out, likely to benefit from the gov't paying for the renovations it needed. A fellow Republican mildly put down the idea (ie cause yanno presidents can't host events at their own private business).:rolleyes:

Had Trump won a second-term, he was on pace to nearly double the golfing trips of Obama. A source here referenced in a comparison, it wasn't even close: Trump used much more taxpayer dollars on these excursions than Obama.

Your second paragraph sounds just like Trump.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Wants to drain the swamp, but also wanted to host the G7 summit at Doral by claiming he was hosting it for free. As another pointed out, likely to benefit from the gov't paying for the renovations it needed. A fellow Republican mildly put down the idea (ie cause yanno presidents can't host events at their own private business).:rolleyes:

Had Trump won a second-term, he was on pace to nearly double the golfing trips of Obama. A source here referenced in a comparison, it wasn't even close: Trump used much more taxpayer dollars on these excursions than Obama.

Your second paragraph sounds just like Trump.
What statistics ya got on that? Can't imagine drumph only being double. Unless perhaps you compare 8 years of Obama to 4 years of drumphy?
 
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