Tekton Enzo - The most inexpensive speakers that is in the league with high-end speaker

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One thing I find confusing is that if you're not supposed to pay up front, what's the point of the online checkout in which you have pay in order to submit your order?

I guess he just put out a formal layout like all ID comapnies do. I dont think its getting practiced much.
 
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At VERY VERY low volumes there might not be any difference since you can barely hear anyway. But I think at about -35 to a 0 there are clear differences as far as what I've read from different amp owners.

From what I've read, a owner of klipsch said there was a BIG BIG difference in sound moving from a Denon 7.1 reciever to the GLOW Amp One. What happnened was his friend left him the glow amp one because he left the country, and this guy had it in his closet for a year before trying t out... one day he was bored and tried it out and was "wowed". He said it addeded dynamics, bass, and clarity to a big degree.

From what I read from many owners switching from Denons and pioneers to a A-class amp, in the simplest form, the sounds from the speakers sound more lifelike and bigger in size, more presence.


So when a T-Rex roars in jurrasaic park, you would actually hear a REAL LIFE-like dino roar in life size scale.

One guy said he freaked out because when he was listening to Johnny cash on his GLOW Amp One (A-class) in the earky morning played through his AM Radio he thought he was hallucinating because that sh!t was 3d and he thought Johnny Cash was in his room so he immediately turned it off because he got scared lol..


There are so many shitty sounding recievers out there now that just pack it up in 7.1 with total **** components because the HIFI crowd goes with matrix code to listen to movies anyway. But for 2.1 analog listening to movies and music, I think amps and cables are pretty critical.

Suppose one gets a DAC to decompress the digital mixes to analog for neutral and pure sound, amps get even more critical.


The above makes sense, but what you said also makes sense since 5.1 reciever would digitize and matrix that sh!t to a heavy degree. So in the end, it all sounds the same.( whichever reciever or whichever cable) but for those who want a purer and a more neutral sound from the source (way it was intended) amp and cables can make a diffence I think in analog mode..

Then do the digital mixes sound better than analog? Many if not all audiophilles would agree analog will always sound better to a heavy degree.

If you dont have the budget and dont have the time nor the interest in sound to an audiophille degree somewhat, the hifi market 7.1 recievers with a HTIB will do.
 
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Technically any class amp that is fundamentally sound and well built will sound more or less the same at any volume and power level within operational specs. Also, well designed amplifiers aren't made specifically for any impedance load, they are merely rated for certain impedance loads because at too low of an impedance they won't deliver enough current and they may clip, shut down, or explode depending on the build quality.

Class A is nice, but at low volumes I don't notice any difference to a well designed class A/B. Besides, many class A/B amps will operate into class A at really low power anyways.

Do you know what class A means?


Were you running a DAC from the source when you were doing A/B comparison from a 7.1 AVR to seperates?
 
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So when a T-Rex roars in jurrasaic park, you would actually hear a REAL LIFE-like dino roar in life size scale.
I've never heard a T-Rex in real life. What's that sound like?

Class A amps are always low power (at their best, they are 50% efficient). They are not chosen because the make roars more "real life". They are chosen (arguably) over zero-point crossover distortion concerns.
 
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At VERY VERY low volumes there might not be any difference since you can barely hear anyway. But I think at about -35 to a 0 there are clear differences as far as what I've read from different amp owners.
Between what? Based on what evidence? When was the last time you heard a very well designed class A/B amp and a very well designed class A amp?

From what I've read, a owner of klipsch said there was a BIG BIG difference in sound moving from a Denon 7.1 reciever to the GLOW Amp One. What happnened was his friend left him the glow amp one because he left the country, and this guy had it in his closet for a year before trying t out... one day he was bored and tried it out and was "wowed". He said it addeded dynamics, bass, and clarity to a big degree.
Yes from what you've read, not experienced. And what you've read is a subjective opinion with no real proof.

From what I read from many owners switching from Denons and pioneers to a A-class amp, in the simplest form, the sounds from the speakers sound more lifelike and bigger in size, more presence.
Again, from what you've read. Plus your comparing AVR amp sections to Class A separates. Although no mention of what Class A amps you're talking about or what speakers or whether there are subs involved. Yet again, with subjective statements that are third party.

So when a T-Rex roars in jurrasaic park, you would actually hear a REAL LIFE-like dino roar in life size scale.
Just because the amp is Class A? Unlikely. Again, when was the last time you heard a big bada$$ Class A/B amp and a Class A amp? Again, do you know what a class A amp is?

One guy said he freaked out because when he was listening to Johnny cash on his GLOW Amp One (A-class) in the earky morning played through his AM Radio he thought he was hallucinating because that sh!t was 3d and he thought Johnny Cash was in his room so he immediately turned it off because he got scared lol..
Well that would have far more to do with the speakers and drugs than the amplifier.

There are so many shitty sounding recievers out there now that just pack it up in 7.1 with total **** components because the HIFI crowd goes with matrix code to listen to movies anyway. But for 2.1 analog listening to movies and music, I think amps and cables are pretty critical.
So based on your extensive experience with receivers and separates you're coming to this conclusion? What matrixed sound are you referring to? If the original track is in 5.1 or 7.1 there is no matrixing. You can even play the track with a "pure" or "direct" mode where the receiver does absolutely nothing to the signal. I'm not entirely sure what you'd want to downmix (ie alter the original signal) of a movie soundtrack, but hey whatever floats your boat.

Based on what personal experience are you basing these opinions on? What amps and cables have you compared that would lead you to believe that they make such a big difference? What science are these opinions based on?

Suppose one gets a DAC to decompress the digital mixes to analog for neutral and pure sound, amps get even more critical.
What is your obsession with DAC's? What makes leads you to believe there is going to be a night and day difference between the internal DAC in a good receiver and an aftermarket DAC? Third party opinions with zero scientific proof? How do you think the signal is getting to the speakers in a receiver? How do you think the signal is getting to an external amplifier from a receiver? An internal DAC. Before you say so, what makes you think the DAC in a well made receiver is inferior to an aftermarket one?


The above makes sense, but what you said also makes sense since 5.1 reciever would digitize and matrix that sh!t to a heavy degree. So in the end, it all sounds the same.( whichever reciever or whichever cable) but for those who want a purer and a more neutral sound from the source (way it was intended) amp and cables can make a diffence I think in analog mode..
I don't think you have any idea how a receiver works. At all. It also doesn't appear you're basing this on any personal experience. It's one thing for you to tell me you did this or that and you heard a difference. It's entirely another for you to read that someone said this or that and then tell me that there is difference.

Then do the digital mixes sound better than analog? Many if not all audiophilles would agree analog will always sound better to a heavy degree.
Depends on many different factors, none of which you appear to comprehend. To be clear, this is not an insult. This is telling you that you need to start reading more stuff that actually matters instead of all the subjective opinions. The subjective opinions will just leave you treading water and flailing about. If it really matters that much to you, take the time to learn the science behind this stuff instead of regurgitating all this half baked nonsense.

If you dont have the budget and dont have the time nor the interest in sound to an audiophille degree somewhat, the hifi market 7.1 recievers with a HTIB will do.
I'm pretty sure you've seen my system and I don't think I lack in high quality gear. This also doesn't encompass everything I've heard and had experience with either. I've also taken the time to listen to guys who know what they're talking about and can back it up with objective evidence. Then done my own research on this stuff to learn why this or that does or doesn't matter. Why "audiophile" more often than not refers to something backed up by pseudoscience and mumbo jumbo rather than facts. That people selling you on "audiophile" stuff more often then not are preying on those who don't know how the brain works and know that if you tell someone something sounds better enough they'll believe it because that's just how the brain works.
 
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Tekton Enzo - The most inexpensive speakers that is in the league with high-e...

Were you running a DAC from the source when you were doing A/B comparison from a 7.1 AVR to seperates?
I've compared about 12 different amplifiers through 3 different receivers running pure/direct and with some DSP.

I still am not sure you understand what class A means.
 
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Class A amps are always low power (at their best, they are 50% efficient). They are not chosen because the make roars more "real life". They are chosen (arguably) over zero-point crossover distortion concerns.
Or they're chosen because the user finds their distortion pleasant. I think most of the reviewers that seach puts such faith in, those that report amps that sing and whatnot, would have more credibility if they just came out and said, "I like distortion".

My dog's poop is getting back to the normal, formed-turd stage, hooray! Getting over some giardiasis.
 
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No insult taken. As you can clearly see, I asked what a DAC was 2 days ago, been researching since then, and now understand what a DAC is and how it mixes with sound. So Im still learning in the process. :p




I am gonna get the Emotiva pre/amp combo. It has its own DAC that it uses and I will try it on pure or direct mode (from the preamp atleast). I will also get the Glow Amp One, and it comes with a DAC from the same company and will try that as well.


To further add, when it comes to internal DACS and one playing in pure direct mode in their modern reciever, wont interconnects and speaker cables matter then?
 
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Or they're chosen because the user finds their distortion pleasant. I think most of the reviewers that seach puts such faith in, those that report amps that sing and whatnot, would have more credibility if they just came out and said, "I like distortion".

My dog's poop is getting back to the normal, formed-turd stage, hooray! Getting over some giardiasis.
99% of newbs in HT wil use a matrix code to watch their movies. and matrix code is pure colorazation.

I'd rather get a DAC and a hand assmbled AMP do the coloring than a cheapo china manufactured modern recievers doing the coloring.

I want REAL sound.. For instance, when a bat flys over, I want to hear the bat flapping their wings in real size. Or when is a rain pouring outside, like on friday the 13th, I want to hear real rain sounds..

The modern recievers matrix are coded in THX and the likes... Whicvh means what? you will most likely get a theatre quality sound at the most. When you watch a movie at a theatre do the movies sound REAL to you? Never neutral, always warm for some dang reason.

There is always a colorization in movie theatre sounds from the REAL sound thats outside. Clarity for one, and what makes clearer sounding speakers than Tekton? (on a side note)
 
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Me too, but it gives me the runs.
i'm quite partial to a nice smoked gouda myself. I'm perfectly fine with cheese but my sister has a reaction quite similar to yours, I feel very sorry for you guys.

I've found that the best quesadillas mix is about 1/3 cheddar 1/3 monetary jack and 1/3 smoked gouda (or maybe a little less depending on taste). Gives it a really nice flavor. Sriracha added after cooking in a hot pan is a nice touch, but adding it before cooking takes a bit of the kick out. I'm a bit of a purist, don't particularly like adding any sour cream or guacamole on mine.
 
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i'm quite partial to a nice smoked gouda myself. I'm perfectly fine with cheese but my sister has a reaction quite similar to yours, I feel very sorry for you guys.

I've found that the best quesadillas mix is about 1/3 cheddar 1/3 monetary jack and 1/3 smoked gouda (or maybe a little less depending on taste). Gives it a really nice flavor. Sriracha added after cooking in a hot pan is a nice touch, but adding it before cooking takes a bit of the kick out. I'm a bit of a purist, don't particularly like adding any sour cream or guacamole on mine.

What up with you and cheese? do you eat them as much as your posts?
 
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It also really bugs me when people make nachos in a microwave, it takes like 3 min more to do it properly under a broiler.
 
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Got myself a Tuscam US-122mkII.
Now have everything I think I need to take some measurements of my Tekton Enzo's.
Just need to go read up on how to use REW.

I thought the Polk forums were a bit hard to wade through when I read up on Emotiva gear but it seems like its similar here.
 
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I've compared about 12 different amplifiers through 3 different receivers running pure/direct and with some DSP.

I still am not sure you understand what class A means.


What AVR models were you using?
 
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Got myself a Tuscam US-122mkII.
Now have everything I think I need to take some measurements of my Tekton Enzo's.
Just to go read up on how to use REW.


Nice, perahps throgh the measurements all these negative things said about the Tektons can be done once and for all.
 
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At VERY VERY low volumes there might not be any difference since you can barely hear anyway. But I think at about -35 to a 0 there are clear differences as far as what I've read from different amp owners.

From what I've read, a owner of klipsch said there was a BIG BIG difference in sound moving from a Denon 7.1 reciever to the GLOW Amp One. What happnened was his friend left him the glow amp one because he left the country, and this guy had it in his closet for a year before trying t out... one day he was bored and tried it out and was "wowed". He said it addeded dynamics, bass, and clarity to a big degree.
The Glow One is said to be a 5wpc but there are precious little specifications. My best guess is that it has a substantial output impedance which affects the speaker's frequency response like an equalizer would. The larger the output impedance, the more the speaker's FR takes on the characteristics of the speaker's impedance profile. Further, as you go past the 5 watts, both the amp's distortion and output impedance will likely rise significantly and in a non linear fashion adding to the euphonic character of the sound. Keep in mind that Tekton overstates their sensitivity, as does Zu, by something on the order of 3-4 dB's. IOW they're not really all that efficient making the use of very low wattage amps more than a bit problematic albeit it 'interesting'. A comparatively more sane and less expensive choice might be something like the tube amp from Carvin which IIRC is made in the USA and substantially more powerful.

From what I read from many owners switching from Denons and pioneers to a A-class amp, in the simplest form, the sounds from the speakers sound more lifelike and bigger in size, more presence.
Without specifics this can be due to any number of reasons. You do give up room correction though.


So when a T-Rex roars in jurrasaic park, you would actually hear a REAL LIFE-like dino roar in life size scale.
Adding significant amounts of distortion will do that for you. Might as well go to Guitar Center and buy some purpose built effects electronics.

One guy said he freaked out because when he was listening to Johnny cash on his GLOW Amp One (A-class) in the earky morning played through his AM Radio he thought he was hallucinating because that sh!t was 3d and he thought Johnny Cash was in his room so he immediately turned it off because he got scared lol..
mixing alcohol and recreational drugs or Bath Salts can have that effect.


There are so many shitty sounding recievers out there now that just pack it up in 7.1 with total **** components because the HIFI crowd goes with matrix code to listen to movies anyway. But for 2.1 analog listening to movies and music, I think amps and cables are pretty critical.
Stop reading the lunatic fringe websites and watching infomercials.

Suppose one gets a DAC to decompress the digital mixes to analog for neutral and pure sound, amps get even more critical.
Good luck hearing anything without a DAC.


The above makes sense, but what you said also makes sense since 5.1 reciever would digitize and matrix that sh!t to a heavy degree. So in the end, it all sounds the same.( whichever reciever or whichever cable) but for those who want a purer and a more neutral sound from the source (way it was intended) amp and cables can make a diffence I think in analog mode..
What is this matrixing you're talking about? How does one get purer and neutral sounds if every cable and power cord can affect things?

Then do the digital mixes sound better than analog? Many if not all audiophilles would agree analog will always sound better to a heavy degree.
If you mean vinyl or tape, keep in mind they're recorded differently and also playback differently than digital. In any event it's very much a niche medium.

If you dont have the budget and dont have the time nor the interest in sound to an audiophille degree somewhat, the hifi market 7.1 recievers with a HTIB will do.
Is that where you came from!
 
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Measurements won't cure the business practices which have been 70% of the comments.
 
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Measurements won't cure the business practices which have been 70% of the comments.
Fair enough. I am doing then for my own benefit. Want to get my room hopefully sorted a bit better.
 
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