Supplemental NUTRITION Assistance Program restrictions

[jinjuku]

This has been on the news here in Indiana with certain classes of grocery items now not covered by SNAP.

I'm scratching my head because the intent of SNAP is literally in the acronym.

 

[Verdinut]

This has been on the news here in Indiana with certain classes of grocery items now not covered by SNAP.

I'm scratching my head because the intent of SNAP is literally in the acronym.

Do you mean that food supplements such as vitamins, minerals and antioxidants which used to be available without sales tax are no longer covered?

In Quebec, those products if prescribed by a physician, are available tax free. Otherwise, you have to pay the sales tax even when importing from US, such as when I order from iHerb.

Overall, I spend over $1,000 yearly for nutritional supplements. I don't bother ordering through my family doctor. Most of the products that I use are superior to the ones available in local pharmacies. As you most likely know, physicians and pharmacies are controlled by big Pharma.

 

[jinjuku]

Do you mean that food supplements such as vitamins, minerals and antioxidants which used to be available without sales tax are no longer covered?

In Quebec, those products if prescribed by a physician, are available tax free. Otherwise, you have to pay the sales tax even when importing from US, such as when I order from iHerb.

Overall, I spend over $1,000 yearly for nutritional supplements. I don't bother ordering through my family doctor. Most of the products that I use are superior to the ones available in local pharmacies. As you most likely know, physicians and pharmacies are controlled by big Pharma.

It's sugared drinks, candy, chips, etc...

 

[mtrycrafts]

...Most of the products that I use are superior to the ones available in local pharmacies. As you most likely know, physicians and pharmacies are controlled by big Pharma.

My wife forgot to get on that bus.

 

[Steve81]

I can’t say I’m overfond of programs that treat their participants like morons that can’t possibly make an informed decision for themselves. Soda, candy, and chips aren’t crystal meth. They can be enjoyed as part of a healthy diet in moderation. But hey, let’s get super self righteous and really put the boot to the necks of those who need assistance. No soup for you!

 

[highfigh]

I can’t say I’m overfond of programs that treat their participants like morons that can’t possibly make an informed decision for themselves. Soda, candy, and chips aren’t crystal meth. They can be enjoyed as part of a healthy diet in moderation. But hey, let’s get super self righteous and really put the boot to the necks of those who need assistance. No soup for you!

There's nothing nutritious about sugared sodas, candy and chips. Look in shopping carts at grocery stores- loaded with bad food, in large amounts. Then, look at the people- many are obese, at a minimum. SNAP and food stamp programs have been abused for decades and the people who used them aren't always healthy. The easy way to spot someone using SNAP/WIC is to look at the conveyor- their stuff is separated from the items paid for by the program.

 

[lovinthehd]

Searched for definition of nutrition:

1. The process of nourishing or being nourished, especially the process by which a living organism assimilates food and uses it for growth and for replacement of tissues.
2. The science or study that deals with food and nourishment, especially in humans.
3. A source of nourishment; food.

 

[Steve81]

There's nothing nutritious about sugared sodas, candy and chips.

Mmm, so we should just ban them for public consumption then, yes? Why should we allow these iconic companies to poison us? Or is it just those who need assistance that “abuse” their benefits by buying the same products the rest of us do? For shame

 

[jinjuku]

I can’t say I’m overfond of programs that treat their participants like morons that can’t possibly make an informed decision for themselves. Soda, candy, and chips aren’t crystal meth. They can be enjoyed as part of a healthy diet in moderation. But hey, let’s get super self righteous and really put the boot to the necks of those who need assistance. No soup for you!

But it's not the intent of the program. Others like WIC and HBI are already restrictive in what you can purchase. This is nothing new.

And nothing is banned. You can still purchase those items. My brother and gf are on assistance. There is always a 12 pack of Coors and they both smoke. So they aren't doing without, it's just out of their own money. Money they aren't spending on groceries.

I don't think it's treating anyone like a moron. It's money ear marked for specific use.

Can you take your Health Savings Account credit card and purchase a TV? I mean if we aren't overfond of treating participants in HSA's like morons....

 

[jinjuku]

Mmm, so we should just ban them for public consumption then, yes? Why should we allow these iconic companies to poison us? Or is it just those who need assistance that “abuse” their benefits by buying the same products the rest of us do? For shame

Nope, but they could be taxed / regulated to a degree like alcohol and tobacco. Both items that SNAP won't pay for either. You have to come out of your own pocket for that.

 

[Steve81]

But it's not the intent of the program.

Says who? You?

 

[Steve81]

Nope, but they could be taxed / regulated to a degree like alcohol and tobacco. Both items that SNAP won't pay for either. You have to come out of your own pocket for that.

Well, tobacco definitely wouldn’t be nutritional assistance, would it? And as a fairly dangerous / addictive drug, subsidizing alcohol seems like a fair thing to nix as well. But a bag of Doritos? Who the truck cares besides pearl clutching asswipes?

 

[jinjuku]

Says who? You?

(S)upplemental (N)utrional (A)ssistance (P)rogram.

Other, past programs, had the same restrictions. This isn't anything new. It's literally in the name. No it shouldn't be used for what is considered junk food.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2840394

Ok. I'll bite: Make your case for nutritive value of candy, chips, soda etc. Also make the case for why I should buy it for you.

 

[jinjuku]

Well, tobacco definitely wouldn’t be nutritional assistance, would it? And as a fairly dangerous / addictive drug, subsidizing alcohol seems like a fair thing to nix as well. But a bag of Doritos? Who the truck cares besides pearl clutching asswipes?

I asked about the HSA program. Can you purchase a T.V. with your HSA card? If so why not?

Pearl clutching asswipes are an awful lot of Americans that see no issue making better use of their taxes.

 

[jinjuku]

Says who? You?

Seriously. Stop being a moron:

Now moving snack/junk foods for the states doing so are better aligning with the mission statement. It was probably a mistake to allow for it in the first place.

 

[jinjuku]

Well, tobacco definitely wouldn’t be nutritional assistance, would it?

You need to actually respond to the point I made: There have been calls for a sugar tax in varying degrees. Just like Tobacco and Alcohol. It's not a new concept.

 

[Steve81]

Boy you got triggered

 

[Steve81]

Ok. I'll bite: Make your case for nutritive value of candy, chips, soda etc. Also make the case for why I should buy it for you.

I like low salt potato chips as a snack for example; they’re loaded with good fats and potassium. In moderation, not an issue, period. Dark chocolate is also known to have health benefits.

Meanwhile…

Health Care Costs Skyrocket For Millions Of Americans As Subsidies Lapse

The change impacts a cross-section of Americans who don’t get insurance from an employer and don’t qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.

www.huffpost.com

But hey, let’s pretend the powers that be give a flying truck about the less fortunate,.or do the usual suspects not see a pattern emerging?

I’m guessing you do…and you like it. And that means you can go eat poop as far as I’m concerned. Pray you never have a life altering event that causes you to end up on the wrong side of that line. I’m going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

 

[jinjuku]

I like low salt potato chips as a snack for example; they’re loaded with good fats and potassium. In moderation, not an issue, period. Dark chocolate is also known to have health benefits.

Meanwhile…

Health Care Costs Skyrocket For Millions Of Americans As Subsidies Lapse

The change impacts a cross-section of Americans who don’t get insurance from an employer and don’t qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.

www.huffpost.com

But hey, let’s pretend the powers that be give a flying truck about the less fortunate,.or do the usual suspects not see a pattern emerging?

I’m guessing you do…and you like it. And that means you can go eat poop as far as I’m concerned. Pray you never have a life altering event that causes you to end up on the wrong side of that line. I’m going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

I don't see the issue here. In Point of Sale systems there is a primary database ID: The SKU. It's the same as Metadata which, being in this hobby, you should know about.

If you have an 85% cacao chocolate bar then that SKU can reflect a category that it's in and same for some chips. I do popcorn as a diabetic since it doesn't spike my blood sugar like ultra-processed Doritos does.

USDA estimates that 20% of their food aid programs goes to the junk food class.

I looked at my last 4 weeks of purchase and we hover around 5-7%. So there could be an allotment also. That's another solution.

You'll probably start arguing next that 20% is fine when the general medical advice is 'sparingly'

 

[jinjuku]

I’m guessing you do…and you like it. And that means you can go eat poop as far as I’m concerned. Pray you never have a life altering event that causes you to end up on the wrong side of that line. I’m going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

And you call other people asswipes?

I hope nothing happens to me either. All I know is that I support everyone having access to healthy meals, health care, and a roof over their heads.

It's not on society to ameliorate ones lack of candy and chips buying power. I don't owe you a T.V., a game system, a car, or anything of the like either.