Subwoofer advice

[lovinthehd]

Looks like it’s about 20 years old. Here’s one in a review in S&V!

M&K S-150P THX Speaker, MX-350 THX Subwoofer

M&K reaches new heights in audio engineering. It's not uncommon for a company to come along and make the claim that they've reinvented the wheel in audio or video. In fact, every year at the Consumer Electronics Show, I chuckle when some yahoo representing one of these companies comes up to me...

www.soundandvision.com

And a minidsp is a device used to EQ your subs. Every room influences subwoofers frequency response and a minidsp can help smooth FR out, especially if you can’t place them optimally. It’s also useful for time alignment, and you can set custom high and low pass filters as well. It’s used with REW, also known as room eq wizard freeware program.

Yeah I linked the measurements page earlier Not as impressive as the spec....

 

[lovinthehd]

For a grand? I’d seriously consider these.

VTF-2 MK5 Subwoofer

Introducing the VTF-2 MK5, the epitome of affordability and value in the renowned HSU lineup. This subwoofer is designed to cater to budget-conscious enthusiasts without compromising on quality or performance. Most affordable and budget-friendly subwoofer One of the smallest subwoofers so it...

www.hsuresearch.com

Or VTF-3 mk5, or maybe even ULS-15 if size is an issue.

 

[Eric2469]

Yeah I linked the measurements page earlier Not as impressive as the spec....

Sorry I don't understand which way should I lean

 

[lovinthehd]

Sorry I don't understand which way should I lean

By the manufacturer's spec vs the measured performance it seems the spec is a bit overstated but the testing was limited as well. Finding good 3rd party measurements is always a good thing. Have you ever looked around data-bass.com? A sub that old you also have to keep amp longevity in mind somewhat.

 

[Eric2469]

By the manufacturer's spec vs the measured performance it seems the spec is a bit overstated but the testing was limited as well. Finding good 3rd party measurements is always a good thing. Have you ever looked around data-bass.com? A sub that old you also have to keep amp longevity in mind somewhat.

So am I prety much right to say I should listen to both and either would be a good choice especially over my asw600

 

[lovinthehd]

So am I prety much right to say I should listen to both and either would be a good choice especially over my asw600

Yeah I agree that both are likely improvements on the B&W sub, just saying also there's more than those two used subs out there. Take your time, look around for a while. Listening/audition sessions for subs are limited, too, as much depends on the setup of the sub in that specific system and room (the room being a huge influence, thus why many use particular eq applications to set up well). Dual subs make it easier to tame a room so to speak, provide more even response thru the room, but a good single capable sub, particularly if only needing to worry about your own seat, can do well, too. Can't make the decision for you, tho, just provide some information and things to think about....

As to the room's influence you might try this article https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1

 

[Eric2469]

Yeah I agree that both are likely improvements on the B&W sub, just saying also there's more than those two used subs out there. Take your time, look around for a while. Listening/audition sessions for subs are limited, too, as much depends on the setup of the sub in that specific system and room (the room being a huge influence, thus why many use particular eq applications to set up well). Dual subs make it easier to tame a room so to speak, provide more even response thru the room, but a good single capable sub, particularly if only needing to worry about your own seat, can do well, too. Can't make the decision for you, tho, just provide some information and things to think about....

As to the room's influence you might try this article https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1

Thank you so much I'll let you guys know

 

[lovinthehd]

Not speaking for HD but just adding my opinion…
Usually the “chest punch” is a function of spl, or just plain LOUD lol. The frequency range is often debated on where it is. Imo, it’s somewhere between 30 and 100hz. Think of a kick drum. They’re largely tuned to around 50hz. With enough volume, a good kick drum stomp will definitely “punch”.

Yeah the spl is the main thing I think. Interpretations of particular frequency seem to vary by various reports.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

So at first I was dead set on the mk then looked at the pb12nsd but then you guys are telling me about two subs just don't know how it would be astetically being two different subs so being honest and not bias lol if I'm only going with one sub is the mk the better choice or no

If only buying one…..I’d probably still get an SVS. Only guessing, but I’d guess they’re only half as old and as HD mentioned, amp longevity could be an issue. SVS has a history of customer service that almost no one can rival. Meaning, they might help you out even if the older nsd fails. Can’t say that about M&K, although they might help somewhat, but I doubt they have anything on the shelf to service a 21yo subwoofer lol.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yeah the spl is the main thing I think. Interpretations of particular frequency seem to vary by various reports.

Agreed. It’s almost like talking about cables! Lmao.

 

[Mark E. Long]

Up to a thousand

Go a couple hundred more and go for duel Pb-1000pros my room is just a little bigger and they go really well . With that being said going up to the 2000 pro your gaining a little more spl and headroom but if you set these up right you’ll be happy I think .

 

[Eric2469]

If only buying one…..I’d probably still get an SVS. Only guessing, but I’d guess they’re only half as old and as HD mentioned, amp longevity could be an issue. SVS has a history of customer service that almost no one can rival. Meaning, they might help you out even if the older nsd fails. Can’t say that about M&K, although they might help somewhat, but I doubt they have anything on the shelf to service a 21yo subwoofer lol.

Lol your probably right thank you if I decide to go with both of the svs can I hide the cylinder or does it need to be set up like the PB my asw is front n centre so I don't really want two different subs front n centre

 

[Eric2469]

Lol your probably right thank you if I decide to go with both of the svs can I hide the cylinder or does it need to be set up like the PB my asw is front n centre so I don't really want two different subs front n centre

Agreed. It’s almost like talking about cables! Lmao.

So does going with two subs does it give me more slam in my chest or what does it actually do

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Lol your probably right thank you if I decide to go with both of the svs can I hide the cylinder or does it need to be set up like the PB my asw is front n centre so I don't really want two different subs front n centre

You could hide the cylinder sure. Maybe even lay it down. 2/3 of my subs are pc12pluses and I happen to like the appearance. They are roughly the same size as my mains and all fit nicely. The third one is in the rear corner hiding.
If you could lay the PC down behind the couch, or even put it in the rear corner, it would help with TR a bunch. Plus diagonal placement is often recommended to try.

 

[Eric2469]

You could hide the cylinder sure. Maybe even lay it down. 2/3 of my subs are pc12pluses and I happen to like the appearance. They are roughly the same size as my mains and all fit nicely. The third one is in the rear corner hiding.
If you could lay the PC down behind the couch, or even put it in the rear corner, it would help with TR a bunch. Plus diagonal placement is often recommended to try.

Ok and does 2 subs give me more punch or slam or no

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

So does going with two subs does it give me more slam in my chest or what does it actually do

It will tend to balance the frequency response at the LP. What that means is when you have bass in a room, some frequencies, or notes(bassically ha ha, the same thing) are more pronounced than others because the placement of the sub/s and LP will make the waves reinforce or cancel each other. Just like waves in the bathtub. Multiple subs can help smooth that out so all bass sounds even at all frequencies. They also will add spl. In my room for example, I get about 4-5db for each one I add in.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ok and does 2 subs give me more punch or slam or no

Maybe. Additional sub gets you room smoothing and some additional spl (2-6 dB depending on how placed). Having more overhead by having the subs share the burden isn't a bad thing either....

 

[Eric2469]

It will tend to balance the frequency response at the LP. What that means is when you have bass in a room, some frequencies, or notes(bassically ha ha, the same thing) are more pronounced than others because the placement of the sub/s and LP will make the waves reinforce or cancel each other. Just like waves in the bathtub. Multiple subs can help smooth that out so all bass sounds even at all frequencies. They also will add spl. In my room for example, I get about 4-5db for each one I add in.

Ok thanks everyone I'll let you know what I decide n how it works out