No matter what, they are way over priced . The Subs are too big , if you sell your house you can't carry those big ass subs & speakers you end up giving it away. I had one the $1800 MUSE Sub18 in an apartment & I was kicked out because of it . I might be interested in KALLOs 465 surrounds & KALLOS 265 with maybe one KALLOS sub. He's asking for $16k plus shipping .