receiver for 90% music for less than $700??

[sholling]

I'm still here guys just trying to take it all in. The more i think about it; i think it might just be a bad room. The room is on the second floor of my house and was just a free bedroom where the walls and floor support seem to be very thin. I bought a subdude and now i might need to look into room treatment panals. I was also messing with it when i got home and i enjoyed the two bookshelf speakers set to big alone rather than with the sub and the bookshelfs set to small(still not desirable though). Now i am wondering is the sub overpowering my speakers or room? I have messed with the subs setting and have not got what i wanted from the mix together.


Thanks for the help guys i am reading and taking everyones point of view.

I'm glad you hung in there. As I said before it's probably a speaker issue or a room treatment issue or a combination of the two but I've been known to be wrong before . Now hide the credit card from yourself for a couple of days while you do a bit more research and think through a game plan.

 

[aromstrongarlan]

I'm glad you hung in there. As I said before it's probably a speaker issue or a room treatment issue or a combination of the two but I've been known to be wrong before . Now hide the credit card from yourself for a couple of days while you do a bit more research and think through a game plan.

easier said then done, but I will try.

On that note any recommended speakers for the below $700 price range that will compliment my fv12 ?? Dont worry zumbo receiver situation will also be taken care of. just in a different order now..

 

[GranteedEV]

I bought a subdude and now i might need to look into room treatment panals.

In my opinion, those speakers certainly do NOT need room treatments for good sound. They've got a smooth and controlled power response atop a flat power response. If anything they probably have a shortage of room interaction if you have them parallel and perpendicular to boundaries (hence my earlier suggestion to cross fire them).

I was also messing with it when i got home and i enjoyed the two bookshelf speakers set to big alone rather than with the sub and the bookshelfs set to small(still not desirable though).

It sounds to me, like your single rythmik is unoptimally placed for best results. So chances are your bass response is less prone to room modes with two sources of bass in the room (the speakers set to large at their placements) than with a single source of bass in the room at the same frequency (speakers set to small + subwoofer). The best solution is generally to have as many sources of bass as possible for smooth response. Try setting the speakers to large + subwoofer (it should be a setting in the receiver that runs the subwoofer alongside the mains). This setting will limit the max SPL to the vented woofer on the pioneers, so it's NOT optimal, but it will smooth out the bass response in the room which could give you an indication of if you need to figure out sub placement or possible additional subwoofers.

Now i am wondering is the sub overpowering my speakers or room? I have messed with the subs setting and have not got what i wanted from the mix together.

I doubt the sub is "overpowering" anything however it's possible that the speakers can't keep up with the dynamics of the sub (again, 85db + 60w in the critical midbass from 80hz to 200hz). My suspicion however is that you've got a massive room mode leading to poor response out of the subwoofer. You're going to need to do the crawl test. As I suggested earlier I also recommend pulling the pioneers closer to the wall to optimize their lower midrange / upper bass response.

If I had to recommend spending money anywhere, how about measurement equipment?

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I think that will help you get a lot closer to where you want to be, than shooting blindly. It'll help you maximize things like subwoofer phase, optimal subwoofer placement, speakers placement, bass management, etc. I honestly suspect you've got better room acoustics and speaker performance then you think you do.

 

[zumbo]

easier said then done, but I will try.

On that note any recommended speakers for the below $700 price range that will compliment my fv12 ?? Dont worry zumbo receiver situation will also be taken care of. just in a different order now..

All of the pointless posting about how to connect a sub without a .1 output should just be ignored. You have a .1 output, and I am certain your next unit would as well.

I 100% believe there will be a speaker replacement, along with a receiver replacement. So think about this.

Do you want to invest in speakers now, and run them off of an inferior receiver?
I would not want to do this due to the possibility of sending a clipped signal to my new speakers from the inferior receiver.

Do you want to invest in a new receiver now, and have the possibility of overpowering your current speakers that you know will be replaced in the future?
I would prefer this route. The more powerful receiver will be better for your current speakers because it will have less of a chance of sending a clipped signal to them. No chance of this being a wasted purchase.

 

[zumbo]

Wow, hats off for putting up with all of us on this one! Truly. It's not normally like this - really.

Actually, it is.

Every time I decide I want to visit Audioholics, it only takes a few days for a certain group of people to come-in and start bashing.

A combative conversation about my knowledge of how connect a powered sub without a .1 sub-out was pointless. Had nothing to do with this thread.

If anyone comes in recommending things other than the norm(certain net brands) here, folks start bashing. Many Audioholics constantly post recommendations for internet only brands that have just magically became the best products out there. It is very disturbing to me to see such brain-washing of new members going-on.

Members have the right to make their own decisions without such going-on. As mentioned in the thread, the only thing I bashed was Cerwin Vega. I own them, I know about them, and have heard their offerings from 85-03.

 

[Adam]

Actually, it is.

I stick by my statement. Threads that you participate in might certainly be an exception. Most responses to inquiries are quite helpful, IMO.

 

[markw]

I fixed this for ya.

I stick by my statement. Threads that you participate in might certainly be an exception, but most responses to inquiries are quite helpful, IMO.

 

[zumbo]

Constantly Audioholic members change the person posting from wanting to replace one thing, to somehow convincing them to buy a completely different item. Then, of coarse, that item is an internet only product the new member has never heard of. Next thing you know, you got another member on the bandwagon.

It's called salesmen being placed in a forum to SELL. Others are just members that jumped on the bandwagon.

This was the perfect chance to sell to someone that would be blown away by any new set of speakers once they arrive, due to the fact his are just about inferior to any out there.

It only takes reading the thread over, and thinking about motives behind what you are reading.

I, along with many, am an enthusiast. I enjoy the hobby. Certainly don't enjoy the bashing that was done in this thread.

 

[zumbo]

And, I am all for the OP replacing both. Hope he does. Hope it sounds great.

It's very obvious to me what members are mature, and who are the goofy gophers toying around.

It's your money!

 

[zumbo]

People went from treating the system as if it was just a work-out room junk system, to now recommending room treatments!

I took the system, and my replies, serious from the beginning.

 

[markw]

Constantly Audioholic members change the person posting from wanting to replace one thing, to somehow convincing them to buy a completely different item. Then, of coarse, that item is an internet only product the new member has never heard of. Next thing you know, you got another member on the bandwagon.

It's called salesmen being placed in a forum to SELL. Others are just members that jumped on the bandwagon.

This was the perfect chance to sell to someone that would be blown away by any new set of speakers once they arrive, due to the fact his are just about inferior to any out there.

It only takes reading the thread over, and thinking about motives behind what you are reading.

I, along with many, am an enthusiast. I enjoy the hobby. Certainly don't enjoy the bashing that was done in this thread.

We were actually kinda hoping that you would have come to your senses when the drugs wore off bit it looks like the damage might be permanant.

The only hard sell here is coming from you, nobody else, and BTW, it's "course", not "coarse".

..toldja I was just getting started.

 

[Adam]

zumbo, I've always liked you, but your being an a**hat right now.

But, while you're at it, why don't you list out who you think the planted salespeople and the "goofy gophers" are? After all, it's very obvious to you.

Yeah, you've actually managed to get me mad, and that is extremely rare on this forum.

My apologies again to the OP, as this has nothing to do with your issue.

 

[zumbo]

zumbo, I've always liked you, but your being an a**hat right now.

But, while you're at it, why don't you list out who you think the planted salespeople and the "goofy gophers" are? After all, it's very obvious to you.

Yeah, you've actually managed to get me mad, and that is extremely rare on this forum.

My apologies again to the OP, as this has nothing to do with your issue.

Never meant anything towards you. Actually, never meant the quoted post to be interpreted as if it was towards you. I just took your statement about the current thread, and related it to many other past threads with certain members.

You are always here offering honest help to new members. I have commented to you about that more than once.

 

[Adam]

To the OP, I see that you haven't yet entered this month's Audioholics contest, which happens to be for a free pair of Aperion Verus Grand bookshelf speakers! If you live in the U.S., you can enter - and it's really easy. Just answer three quick questions, nothing very personal, and you're entered. They pick a winner at random.

Btw, I'm not saying that your speakers are bad. It's just a great chance to win some nice bookshelves. You can bet that I entered!

 

[zumbo]

Disagreeing with my recommendation of a receiver, which is what the OP inquired about, is perfectly okay.

But bashing my recommendation has no merit.

The speakers, and receiver need to be replaced. Both are inferior. I gave a clear reasoning as to why I would put the receiver first.

Do you want to invest in speakers now, and run them off of an inferior receiver?
I would not want to do this due to the possibility of sending a clipped signal to my new speakers from the inferior receiver.

Do you want to invest in a new receiver now, and have the possibility of overpowering your current speakers that you know will be replaced in the future?
I would prefer this route. The more powerful receiver will be better for your current speakers because it will have less of a chance of sending a clipped signal to them. No chance of this being a wasted purchase.

 

[Adam]

Never meant anything towards you. Actually, never meant the quoted post to be interpreted as if it was towards you. I just took your statement about the current thread, and related it to many other past threads with certain members.

You are always here offering honest help to new members. I have commented to you about that more than once.

I understand that you weren't going after me, and it's kind of you to say that about me. I appreciate it.

Your statement, though, can be interpreted by newer members as implying that the bulk of AH is a bunch of salespeople or the pod people that drank the Kool-Aid and follow along. I disagree. Are there fanboys? Sure there are (btw, do you like MB Quart? ). A lot of us tend to recommend what we know and love - I'm that way with Pioneer receivers and older NHT speakers. As for ID brands, I've tried two. I do recommend SVS because I own one, love the product, and loved the customer service even more. I do not recommend Emotiva for my personal opposite experience with both of those aspects.

I am not convinced that the OP needs to buy ANYTHING. Maybe so, maybe not - I think that tweaking the system might just get it there. It's a relatively small workout room. I use computer speakers in mine and am perfectly happy, but I don't crank it. When I had a B&W sub in the mix, I experienced the same thing in that the sub would overpower the smaller satellites when I turned it up - but I didn't do jack to try to place it better or tweak the settings.

 

[zumbo]

Your statement, though, can be interpreted by newer members as implying that the bulk of AH is a bunch of salespeople or the pod people that drank the Kool-Aid and follow along. I disagree. Are there fanboys? Sure there are (btw, do you like MB Quart? ). A lot of us tend to recommend what we know and love - I'm that way with Pioneer receivers and older NHT speakers. As for ID brands, I've tried two. I do recommend SVS because I own one, love the product, and loved the customer service even more. I do not recommend Emotiva for my personal opposite experience with both of those aspects.

Well now. You have tried two. SVS, and Emo. Where did you hear about those brands?

I know where I heard about them.

Someone must have persuaded your purchase. You certainly didn't buy either of those products without members here helping your decision.

Personally, I purchased my first HT set of MB Quart in '03. I purchased them from my personal experience with the brand. I had installed many Quart automotive systems prior. In the 90's, Quart was the king in car audio. Not backed-up by a forum community, but backed-up by years of winning competitions.

I don't buy any item recommended by members of a forum without some iron clad evidence of that product. And I certainly don't join a click to make myself feel important.(not directed towards you)

 

[Adam]

Well now. You have tried two. SVS, and Emo. Where did you hear about those brands?

I actually found Audioholics when I was researching SVS. I did hear about Emotiva here.

 

[zumbo]

I actually found Audioholics when I was researching SVS. I did hear about Emotiva here.

And you don't believe there are members here strategically placed to sell those items?

You seem like a very rational guy. This has to make sense to you.

And from your post, you have been sold internet garbage that members here recommended.

 

[zumbo]

I actually found Audioholics when I was researching SVS. I did hear about Emotiva here.

Seeing as how you are unsatisfied with your EMO purchase, seems like you would stand-up when people are recommending net brand purchases to new members that may not know any better.

I am a genuine guy, with genuine product knowledge. My replies to members are genuine, and not motivated by a sell.

In this hobby, I love nothing more than someone dropping by to hear one of my systems for the first time. Here at Audioholics, my passion is driven by the chance for a member to actually hear/own what I get to enjoy everyday.