receiver for 90% music for less than $700??

[adwilk]

Very good! This is really helping the thread. Headed-out with my wife for a little Sushi.

Outlaw!

I hope she's driving.

 

[Adam]

I hope she's driving.

I hope she's real.

 

[adwilk]

I thanked your post cause you thanked mine. Not because I thought it was funny.

 

[markw]

I think we scared the OP away. Perhaps he didn't get the validation he thought he was going to get or possibly the infighting just got out of hand.

Oh well, I guess we just fight against bad information being passed on here, like white blood cells on an infection. The fact that some, well one, is so intent on pushing it on innocent newbies is disturbing, though.

One thing came out of this, though: Most agree through experience that a small speaker will only be able to play just so loud, and no louder, no matter how much power you throw at it. In any case, it's pretty much agreed upon that they won't be able to match the sheer volume level of a big-*** sub, particularly in a large, live room. Sheer power ain't always the answer.

 

[mtrycrafts]

It simply makes no sense to spend $700 to salvage a $150 speaker investment. ...

Absolutely doesn't make sense at all. Sure looks like speaker issues to me.
But, guessing from lack of credible info is just guessing at a solution.

 

[adwilk]

I think we scared the OP away. Perhaps he didn't get the validation he thought he was going to get or possibly the infighting just got out of hand.

Oh well, I guess we just fight against bad information being passed on here, like white blood cells on an infection. The fact that some, well one, is so intent on pushing it on innocent newbies is disturbing, though.

One thing came out of this, though: Most agree through experience that a small speaker will only be able to play just so loud, and no louder, no matter how much power you throw at it. In any case, it's pretty much agreed upon that they won't be able to match the sheer volume level of a big-*** sub, particularly in a large, live room. Sheer power ain't always the answer.

Very true and well said, Mark. I certainly hate scaring OP's away which is why I try to post succinctly and on topic. But, I'd rather scare one away than risk them making a poor decision when it comes to spending money just because of the frequency and adamant-sie of a poster here. Blah blah.. We all have our opinions.

I don't think the OP was getting hung up on it not being loud enough- he just wanted it to sound better when he turned it up. I'd imagine that the speakers he has are pretty rough even at low volumes. Crossing them higher could help, since an adequate sub exists. I don't see how new speakers aren't the answer.

Another option would be to acoustically treat the room with posters of The Rock and college co-eds washing motorcycles.

 

[adwilk]

But, guessing from lack of credible info is just guessing at a solution.

mtrycrafts, you have a special way of really bringing the obvious into a fresh new light. Yes, guessing is indeed guessing.

Just giving you a hard time. I'm afraid of your post count.

 

[Adam]

Another option would be to acoustically treat the room with posters of The Rock and college co-eds washing motorcycles.

"Can you smelllllll what your new amp is cookin'?!"

 

[jinjuku]

I could've swore that said 363 to begin with. My bad.

Still 100W@1k with one channel driven.

OOOPS

 

[markw]

true - perhaps I should have been clearer

I don't think the OP was getting hung up on it not being loud enough- he just wanted it to sound better when he turned it up.

Most speakers sound good up to a point. After that, they tend to sound "less good", which I interperted as the problem. The smaller the speaker, or the less air it's capable of pushing, the lower the level that point tends to be reached. They can only move so much air, and that's dictated by the laws of physics.

Simply increasing power won't increase a speakers ability to cleanly move air, which seemed to be the main bone of contention here.

 

[adwilk]

"Can you smelllllll what your new amp is cookin'?!"

I thanked that one because it was funny and useful.

 

[Adam]

I thanked that one because it was funny and useful.

I thanked that because I appreciate knowing what's going on inside that head of yours.

Wait, that might have come out wrong.

Wait, that might have, too.

My sincerest apologies to the OP...but, hey, if you've made it this far, what's one more useless post?

 

[jinjuku]

Man 10 pages in a few hours. I thought I was at AVSForum To any AVSers' you know I'm joking, and you know it's true

 

[adwilk]

Most speakers sound good up to a point. After that, they tend to sound "less good", which I interperted as the problem. The smaller the speaker, or the less air it's capable of pushing, the lower the level that point tends to be reached. They can only move so much air, and that's dictated by the laws of physics.

Simply increasing power won't increase a speakers ability to cleanly move air, which seemed to be the main bone of contention here.

Ohhhhhhh... That makes sense.. so what you're really trying to say is that he needs a new stereo receiver with a sub pre-out?

 

[Adam]

And we have a winner! The thread that could get Alex out of retirement.

Why not just get a bigger amp?

Well, as long as it has a subwoofer output...

EDIT: Dangit. The Deuce mentioned the sub output one post up. Now I just look like a copy cat...

 

[avnetguy]

Could be he also needs another sub ... don't frequencies below 80Hz build mass?

Steve

 

[GranteedEV]

. Why do you think they put all those knobs on subwoofers?

So we can find 11!

 

[adwilk]

 

[aromstrongarlan]

I'm still here guys just trying to take it all in. The more i think about it; i think it might just be a bad room. The room is on the second floor of my house and was just a free bedroom where the walls and floor support seem to be very thin. I bought a subdude and now i might need to look into room treatment panals. I was also messing with it when i got home and i enjoyed the two bookshelf speakers set to big alone rather than with the sub and the bookshelfs set to small(still not desirable though). Now i am wondering is the sub overpowering my speakers or room? I have messed with the subs setting and have not got what i wanted from the mix together.


Thanks for the help guys i am reading and taking everyones point of view.

 

[Adam]

Wow, hats off for putting up with all of us on this one! Truly. It's not normally like this - really.

I encourage you to check out the Audioholics Tips & Tricks section, in particular the section on Get Good Bass. From what you've said, it sounds like the sub is overpowering the speakers as you turn up the volume...people here just have different approaches to solving that. I think that it was mentioned earlier, but you very well might be able to play around with placement and settings to get a really nice mix.

For music, sometimes I think that my bookshelves sound a lot better without the sub, too.