Preamp outs on Av Receiver

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mibson

Audioholic
I found a HK AVR 235 used. They are asking $300 but Im sure I could offer $250. It does have preouts and optical in.

Is this a good choice for me to use as a 2.0 preamp for use with a UPA-2 and ps3?

Keep in mind I live in Canada and prices are a bit higher...
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Considering such a receiver would probably bring less than $200 in the auction based used market, and it doesn't have HDMI. I think something better can be found. Is $250 your budget?

http://salestores.com/harman08.html

Even better price and with free shipping, which fits the budget. It does audio over HDMI and has preouts. I don't know what else you could ask for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Harman-Kardon-HK-AVR-247-7-1-Home-Theater-Receiver-HDMI_W0QQitemZ390137119557QQcmdZViewItemQQptZReceivers_Tuners?hash=item5ad5fc0345
 
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mibson

Audioholic
Considering such a receiver would probably bring less than $200 in the auction based used market, I think something better can be found. Is $250 your budget?
My budget is officially $200, but I can push it a tiny bit.

Im finding using my ps3 with analog outs to my 12-13 year old arcam preamp is very bright sounding. So it is just a guess that the ps3 analog output with cd playback is the problem...I did read the ps3 cd playback via analog output is very bright.

Since the arcam is a high quality preamp (Xeta 2) but with no digital inputs, Im wondering if I would get better sound buying a stand alone cd player instead. I did read on this site once that there is a reasonably good cd player for about $200 but cant recall which brand/model...

Right now I have a 20+ year old sony cd player that sounds "ok" , better than the ps3 via analog out, but it does not sound great...

Note I live in Canada so shipping from the USA adds cost (duty, tax, brokerage), to get somthing shipped here for 200$ including shipping costs is very unlikely...
 
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mibson

Audioholic
Pioneer VSX-816

I found a Pioneer VSX-816, with optical in and preouts.

I dont think I really need hdmi since it will be a long time 1+ years before I can afford more speakers. Right now just 2.0

Is this a good option? its 150$ used in my own city, so no shipping, tax, duty, brokerage costs.

I read a review that said it is weak on bass, I assume this it the internal amps? I will be using a UPA-2
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I found a Pioneer VSX-816, with optical in and preouts.

I dont think I really need hdmi since it will be a long time 1+ years before I can afford more speakers. Right now just 2.0

Is this a good option? its 150$ used in my own city, so no shipping, tax, duty, brokerage costs.

I read a review that said it is weak on bass, I assume this it the internal amps? I will be using a UPA-2
Just run optical for now and pick a cool piece of history and you can probably sell for what you paid for it
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homeproc&1265932525&/B-K-Reference-30-Preamp/Proces

you should also check audiogon for a REF 50 series2 as the go for around 350 used
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Did you read the link that I provided?

Most of what you read about something sounding one way or another in regards to CD players, DACs, receivers, amplifiers, preamplifiers is heresay from folks that either get paid to say they sound "special", think that higher cost attributes to better sound, or they read somewhere that something sounded a particular way and when they listened to it their mind fabricated a sound that wasn't there.

I can tell you that I have owned many CD players of many ages, many receivers of many ages, many amplifiers of many ages, many preamplifiers of many ages. These range from low end basic things to some pretty high end or highly regarded stuff. DACs have been linear beyond human hearing ability for a long time. Some boutique brands sometimes intentionally design their products to have a certain sonic signature, however most don't. Virtually every mass produced brand of audio components produce linear undistorted sound that doesn't have an impact on the sound in your sound system unless it is faulty or being pushed beyond it's limits (eg: amplifier driven to clipping).

If your sound system sounds bright while listening to CDs it's more than likely attributed to speakers and/or room acoustics and layout. It's highly propable that the perceived difference between the Sony CD player and the PS3 is caused by a bias. I've experienced differences before as well, but after doing some double blind tests I've come to the conclusion that most differences I had perceived where caused by personal bias and those differences where null after the DBT.

It's also feasible the PS3 happens to have a poor analog audio output for whatever reason. I do think it's unlikely, I haven't noticed a difference myself but I don't use the PS3 that often to play CDs when I have a multi-disc changer.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
Just to play devil's advocate a bit... The PS3 is not a "bright" player, even using the internal dacs and analog outputs. YOUR SPEAKERS ARE BRIGHT. Overall, the source, processing, and amplification are VERY transparent. If you want different sound, quit looking at the part of the chain you're looking at. You want different speakers, or possibly room treatments. Electronics don't "sound" bright. MAYBE, you might benefit from a tube preamp or amp. MAYBE.
 
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mibson

Audioholic
Thanks for the input, yes I did read your post, I listened to my ps3 and 20+ year old cd player having someone switch the cables many times and playing without me knowing which one is being used. The sound difference is VERY easy to hear.

I also have a sony cd/dvd divx player that is obviously "muddy" it sounds like there is a piece of cardboard over all vocalists mouths.

If my speakers are a bit too bright for my taste perhaps I need a good eq?

My room is 21feet by 38 feet, vaulted to 12 feet high, and all cedar planks(rounded and beveled) on the walls and ceiling, with carpet floor. I thought this would be a very good room acoustically. (a 90g fish tank is in the room and probably not a good thing acoustically but it is small compared to the room, it will be moved eventually.)

I will play with speaker placements and try a few different things to see what is my best next step.

Im using 8 foot long 16 gauge cables, I doubt this is the problem (getting 12 gauge eventually).

Thanks for all input, if I need room treatments and/or EQ ing I will do that, It is hard to know....
 
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mibson

Audioholic
....... different speakers.
Chris said "it is nonsense that you cant get the sound you want from speakers" with a good EQ ing. He does seem to know his stuff.

Dont recall his site name...

He is the guy who does alot of his own stuff, eg building/modding speakers..
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Okay, I haven't read much of this thread, but I just saw the part about bright speakers and EQ.

I own NHT 1.5s. They always sounded harsh to me on music when paired with my Yamaha receiver. Is it because it was a Yamaha? IMO, no. It was because it didn't have any EQ to deal with my room acoustics. The two Pioneers that I bought since have MCACC with automatic EQ settings, and the speakers are SO much nicer sounding to me.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks for the input, yes I did read your post, I listened to my ps3 and 20+ year old cd player having someone switch the cables many times and playing without me knowing which one is being used. The sound difference is VERY easy to hear.

One is not working properly

I also have a sony cd/dvd divx player that is obviously "muddy" it sounds like there is a piece of cardboard over all vocalists mouths.

Read above

If my speakers are a bit too bright for my taste perhaps I need a good eq?

My room is 21feet by 38 feet, vaulted to 12 feet high, and all cedar planks(rounded and beveled) on the walls and ceiling, with carpet floor. I thought this would be a very good room acoustically. (a 90g fish tank is in the room and probably not a good thing acoustically but it is small compared to the room, it will be moved eventually.)

That fish tank probably has little to no effect on what you're hearing, unless of course you have a clown fish

I will play with speaker placements and try a few different things to see what is my best next step.

NOW we're talkin....

Im using 8 foot long 16 gauge cables, I doubt this is the problem (getting 12 gauge eventually).

You're right, its not the problem, but if upgrading will make you sleep at night. Not a bad upgrade IMO

Thanks for all input, if I need room treatments and/or EQ ing I will do that, It is hard to know....

Speaker placement and room treatments could make all the difference in the world.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Chris said "it is nonsense that you cant get the sound you want from speakers" with a good EQ ing. He does seem to know his stuff.

Dont recall his site name...

He is the guy who does alot of his own stuff, eg building/modding speakers..
if you want to invest time and money into a unit like the behringer dcx2496 you can tailor your speakers sound, however starting with a neutral speaker would be wise.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
Chris said "it is nonsense that you cant get the sound you want from speakers" with a good EQ ing. He does seem to know his stuff.

Dont recall his site name...

He is the guy who does alot of his own stuff, eg building/modding speakers..
That's WMAX...

Yes, its true to an extent, provided its a capable speaker. The speaker needs to be very transparent in its design to be able to "create" a certain sound.

I'm not saying EQ'ing can't or won't make a difference, but if speakers are bright, speakers are bright...
 
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cfrizz

Senior Audioholic
I found a Pioneer VSX-816, with optical in and preouts.

I dont think I really need hdmi since it will be a long time 1+ years before I can afford more speakers. Right now just 2.0

Is this a good option? its 150$ used in my own city, so no shipping, tax, duty, brokerage costs.

I read a review that said it is weak on bass, I assume this it the internal amps? I will be using a UPA-2
Good grief guys get back to helping this guy find a receiver.

I don't believe that this Pioneer has preouts. Keep looking.
 
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