TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
Not exactly correct, you can start enjoying it immediately.

People run slides because, you know, because they read about it and want to give their plasma some love. There is no evidence laid out that I know of that says it's better.

The idea is that the phosphors wear out the very quickest at the beginning, and over its life the wear is slower and slower. I mean... if you are nuts, you could re-calibrate every 1000 hours, just like um, some people change their oil every 1000 miles in their sports vehicle.

IOW, you can just opt to run the tv for whatever they say, 120 hours, 200 hours, etc, before you run your calibration. (So, that's the main point; the slides just help for best wear in evenness, but . . . would I do it? I dunno TBH).

Hey, I've just been researching a little bit on calibration devices+colorimeters+software, which would probably be $3k plus, and the main benefit for me would be to dial down some oversaturated green. Hey, it's totally nuts, but I was figuring out if there was a way I can give my display some love. Don't take what crazy people do as the bare minimum by any means. REMEMBER: just the fact that you will even calibrate ONCE is already more than what 99% of what people do!! :eek:

Cheers.
Thankyou and I totaly understand what your saying and If I get the plasma my way of loving it will be to enjoy it :D Althought you never know I could get slide happy in the process lol and hopefully do a calibration after the 100 or 200 hour break in period . Thanks for the great advice and wouldnt you know it just when I start leaning or talking myself into a led/lcd you pull me wright back to the plasma again :D
 
G

Gov

Senior Audioholic
Jostenmeat gave some very good advice!! With a new display if you use common sense from the beginning it will break in just fine. The slides are definately not necessary at all.
As far as calibration goes, I have applied some SM drvs/cuts offsets that I got over at AVS and I am EXTREMELY happy with. I do not feel compelled at all to get a professional calibration. The V10 displays exhibited fantasic PQ :D
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
Jostenmeat gave some very good advice!! With a new display if you use common sense from the beginning it will break in just fine. The slides are definately not necessary at all.
As far as calibration goes, I have applied some SM drvs/cuts offsets that I got over at AVS and I am EXTREMELY happy with. I do not feel compelled at all to get a professional calibration. The V10 displays exhibited fantasic PQ :D
You guys just wont let me get a Led/Lcd will ya :p Even though I haven't got the slightest idea what the heck SM drvs/cuts offsets are :eek: :)
 
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Gov

Senior Audioholic
You guys just wont let me get a Led/Lcd will ya :p Even though I haven't got the slightest idea what the heck SM drvs/cuts offsets are :eek: :)
No we won't!!! You need to read the "V10 Picture Settings" thread over at AVS. You will learn about what I am talking about ;)
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Don't take what crazy people do as the bare minimum by any means. REMEMBER: just the fact that you will even calibrate ONCE is already more than what 99% of what people do!! :eek:

Cheers.
Im pretty sure this guy is ISF certified in Beaverton Oregon :D

 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I've read through the first 50 or so pages of the 12G panel thread over at AVS. Althought most of those offsets in the SM suggested by the members, they're specific for that TV or model and its enviornment I do believe....FWIW:).
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I've read through the first 50 or so pages of the 12G panel thread over at AVS. Althought most of those offsets in the SM suggested by the members, they're specific for that TV or model and its enviornment I do believe....FWIW:).
Correct, variance from unit to unit within the same model number is very common. If your going to calibrate, do it based off of your display and your conditions, ie day night, and do with measurements. If your copying someones settings your not calibrating just changing.
 
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Gov

Senior Audioholic
Correct, variance from unit to unit within the same model number is very common. If your going to calibrate, do it based off of your display and your conditions, ie day night, and do with measurements. If your copying someones settings your not calibrating just changing.
Yes, a very true statement; however, the offsets will get you pretty darn close to proper calibration provided your getting them from a display that is the same model, on or around production date and firmware.
In my case, it was better for me than the out of the box settings. I had a calibrated CRT RPTV for the last 4 years, so I do know what a calibrated picture looks like.
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
No we won't!!! You need to read the "V10 Picture Settings" thread over at AVS. You will learn about what I am talking about ;)
I'll check it out Thanks !!
Im pretty sure this guy is ISF certified in Beaverton Oregon :D

I think he's been in the rain a little to long because sometimes thats howI feel :eek::D
Correct, variance from unit to unit within the same model number is very common. If your going to calibrate, do it based off of your display and your conditions, ie day night, and do with measurements. If your copying someones settings your not calibrating just changing.
That makes sense to it reminds me of what they call a canned tune for a bike/car one size fits all but its much better to have it dyno tunes since every motor is a little different .
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
Yes, a very true statement; however, the offsets will get you pretty darn close to proper calibration provided your getting them from a display that is the same model, on or around production date and firmware.
In my case, it was better for me than the out of the box settings. I had a calibrated CRT RPTV for the last 4 years, so I do know what a calibrated picture looks like.
I see how you could still prosper depending on your set and it wouldn't hurt to try because if its unsatisfactory you can always go back to the old settings .
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I see how you could still prosper depending on your set and it wouldn't hurt to try because if its unsatisfactory you can always go back to the old settings .
I thought about doing just that but I'd always second guess myself, anyways! So my scheduled pro calibration is a week from tomorrow, by all accounts it the way to go JMO.:)
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
I thought about doing just that but I'd always second guess myself, anyways! So my scheduled pro calibration is a week from tomorrow, by all accounts it the way to go JMO.:)
Does best buy "The Geek Squad" do a good job on calibration ?
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Does best buy "The Geek Squad" do a good job on calibration ?
By all accounts they do a decent job but there is always room for improvement if the tech is really ISF savvy. The aforementioned thread over at AVS did talk about this very question. :)
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
By all accounts they do a decent job but there is always room for improvement if the tech is really ISF savvy. The aforementioned thread over at AVS did talk about this very question. :)
Thanks thought I read somewhere about that and couldn't remember we're so though i'd throw it out there . I guess its like getting your hair cut from super cuts and it depends who you get :p
 
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Gov

Senior Audioholic
Does best buy "The Geek Squad" do a good job on calibration ?
If you are gonna do it, don't use BB it's to hit or miss. Research reputable calibrators on the various AV forums. Those guys are the best band for the buck IMHO. I have used Eliab from Avical in the past. He is retired now, but his partner is still doing them. They are first class!
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
If you are gonna do it, don't use BB it's to hit or miss. Research reputable calibrators on the various AV forums. Those guys are the best band for the buck IMHO. I have used Eliab from Avical in the past. He is retired now, but his partner is still doing them. They are first class!
How much does it run to get it calibrated on average ?
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
How much does it run to get it calibrated on average ?
My guess is $400. Maybe low as $300. High end is $500 (like famous guy who owns a well known calibration company that works internationally). If you have multiple displays, you can probably talk the package down. If you are a repeat customer, then I'm sure there's things you can work out, etc. If you happen to get a Kuro, then you might want to find a specific calibrator that can install/calibrate ISFccc, depending (which means double calibrations: night+day).

Some guys actually take tours to other states (as they are well known, and set up dates in advance).

As aforementioned, it's more important who it is than what titles they have. You may pick up clues buy asking what equipment and software they are using.

I ran a search of Oregon at the AVS ISF calibrators list. There are nine hits, and I'll link them in chronological order, staring way back in Feb '06.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=7079204&postcount=102

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=7262614&postcount=118

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8673675&postcount=210

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8737184&postcount=218

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12717176&postcount=570

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13546130&postcount=655

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14550291&postcount=819

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15649183&postcount=1063

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17311552&postcount=1374
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
My guess is $400. Maybe low as $300. High end is $500 (like famous guy who owns a well known calibration company that works internationally). If you have multiple displays, you can probably talk the package down. If you are a repeat customer, then I'm sure there's things you can work out, etc. If you happen to get a Kuro, then you might want to find a specific calibrator that can install/calibrate ISFccc, depending (which means double calibrations: night+day).

Some guys actually take tours to other states (as they are well known, and set up dates in advance).

As aforementioned, it's more important who it is than what titles they have. You may pick up clues buy asking what equipment and software they are using.

I ran a search of Oregon at the AVS ISF calibrators list. There are nine hits, and I'll link them in chronological order, staring way back in Feb '06.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=7079204&postcount=102

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=7262614&postcount=118

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8673675&postcount=210

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8737184&postcount=218

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12717176&postcount=570

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13546130&postcount=655

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14550291&postcount=819

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15649183&postcount=1063

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17311552&postcount=1374
Thank you Great links :) Thats going to be very helpful , also if the Display has to be moved lets say out of state like I mention earlier its a possibility ,would it be better to wait until after the move. I know with some dlp's and older sets projection types you should readjust the projector bulbs. I realise plasmas arent that type of display but just was curious if i'd be better off waiting becauseI sure wouldnt want to have to do it twice.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
:) Well, ideally, you would wait for its final destination, as even the color of your walls might make a difference. However, I'm sure that must be an extremely subtle effect. Also, ideally, you may want to calibrate more than once over its lifetime (as the display will slowly lose brightness over its very, very, very long life).

This is my advice: take it slow. See, when you first get it, you will have a really big :D on your face as OTB. Then, one day, rent one of those easy DIY calibration discs at some point, and then :D all over again. Have Gov help you with SM offsets, and then :D some more. You get to :D three times with almost no money spent.

Of course the V10 has THX mode, and you may quite like it.

Also, say if you got a Kuro, the unit to unit variation was supposed to be the industry standard, and others' calibrations/offsets will have an even better chance of being ideal.

Of course, you can just bypass all of the above, and cut to the chase with a pro calibration. ;)

Lastly, I have the impression now that the "reference" calibration is not always desired. There are subtle tweaks for personal preference, so if you tweak to your tastes, then you might be there already. Just make a habit of writing down all settings in a log would be advice.
 
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