Paradigm Monitor 90p (Discontinued!!! UHG)

[billy p]

It really sounds like everyone is suggesting the 40s. I am just not sure why I would want to go with the 60s. Maybe it is something to do with wanting the floorstanding model. (it might just be mental). If the difference is only $200 (after including the stands) then I might just put the extra $200 and get the next model up. It is hard going from the 90p (Floorstanding) to the 40s. Then again, I haven't seen either (40s or the 60s) in person yet. Dealers near me didn't have them on the floor.

You may want to reconsider because most members would tell you it's a bit more tricky to dial in the perfect bass sound field when you have a sub combined with floors.

 

[Warpdrv]

That dealer in racine has every model of the studio series...

Here is a review I wrote after I went to that dealership...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9399093&&#post9399093

Warp

 

[BabelFish]

Man that rotel looks awesome! I will have to think about the 40s vs 60s..

I might have to add one of those down the line and combine it with whatever amp I end up with (If I do ever find out about the denon 3808)

 

[Nuglets]

It is hard going from the 90p (Floorstanding) to the 40s.

Trust me...with an SVS for bass you will have no reason to miss the 90P's...guaranteed!!

 

[BabelFish]

I personally would go with 20s, at least for the rears. Could go either way on the sides, but if your room is a normal rectangle and allows for proper mounting, the ADPs should work well. Yes, go with the Studios over the Monitors.

While I am picking brains here, what would be the setup (room shape, size) where the ADP would do better in the back and the sides as compared to the 20s in the back and ADP on the sides? Just trying to figure in any future house.

 

[billy p]

Your going to make

While I am picking brains here, what would be the setup (room shape, size) where the ADP would do better in the back and the sides as compared to the 20s in the back and ADP on the sides? Just trying to figure in any future house.

yourself nuts. Just make your decision and sit back and enjoy. You'll figure those things out over time.

 

[BabelFish]

yourself nuts. Just make your decision and sit back and enjoy. You'll figure those things out over time.

I will figure out what over time? Whether I should have chosen the ADP instead of the 20s for the rears?

I am just wondering if there is any advantage of one over the other for the rears.. For the sides I am pretty sure I will get the ADP but for the rears I am just wondering what the difference will be (in terms of sound quality, etc) between the two (20s and ADP).

 

[billy p]

Most people would say go with monitors in the back. Larger floor like speaker tend to be hard to position as surrounds for optimum sound, due to their size and weight and the drivers would be pointed to low to the listener.

*Edit* I guess your not going with the floors(90P's). To many distractions around here, kids.

 

[BabelFish]

Most people would say go with monitors in the back. Larger floor like speaker tend to be hard to position as surrounds for optimum sound, due to their size and weight and the drivers would be pointed to low to the listener.

*Edit* I guess your not going with the floors(90P's). To many distractions around here, kids.

Unfortunately the 90p's got discontinued
I would be going with floors (possibly) for the fronts (Studio 60s or the 40s-which are not floors). the backs are what is in question.

I am trying to find out whether the ADP or the 20s would be better for the rears and why they would be better. I was recommended the 20s depending on the shape of the room. I am wondering what other considerations need to be considered and what is better for different rooms shapes.

Thx for the comments though

 

[Warpdrv]

I would go with ADP's side, and 20's rear... if your room will accomadate.. meaning if your room is long enough and isn't too narrow..

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my New 100's.. and let me tell you..
They Rock the house... no comparison between them and the old Polks..
Simply amazing.. and Check out this CC-690.. Oh MY GOD !!! Gynormous..

Im just awestruck, sounds tight and clear and the L-C-R front sounds fantastic.
Fit and finish is spectacular...

 

[Nuglets]

That's the kind of center channel I'm talking about. If you get a center somewhat like that one, the Studio 40's, an SVS, and whatever you are planning on getting for the rears, no matter what it is you choose, you will be very pleased and your friend with the 90P's will be very jealous when he hears it.

 

[Warpdrv]

+1 on that one too Nuglets....
If you listen to mostly Movies... don't slouch on the CC...
This thing sounds every bit as good as the 100's.. in fact its only a few inches shy of the height of 100's... its just monsterous.. Wooot Wooot !!!!

You could get by with 20's for the L & R, and still be fine..
I had other plans though, as I will have a setting on my receiver for 2 channel audio with monitors set to large, to see how they perform... I have no doubt they will sound awesome, I currently have them set as small for movie's sake, and crossed over at 50hz... they are so tight and clean.. I am in heaven !!

Warp

 

[BabelFish]

My goodness Warpdrv that looks sooooo good!!! Uhg.. maybe I will go with the 40s and upgrade to those 100s later that center channel looks awesome!!!! I am sooo jealous!!!

 

[BabelFish]

Where is the proper place to put the center channel? Can it go on the floor or does it need to be higher? Thx.

 

[Warpdrv]

I wouldn't want it on the floor, you were talking about a Projector, and it should be up off the floor a bit, you can put it on a CC stand aimed up towards the listening position. There are many stands out there, or you could build one yourself.

I knew what speaker I wanted before I bought my furniture, so it was planned to go where it is all along.

http://www.racksandstands.com/Plateau-ST-CC-17-S-PT0110.html

 

[BabelFish]

I wouldn't want it on the floor, you were talking about a Projector, and it should be up off the floor a bit, you can put it on a CC stand aimed up towards the listening position. There are many stands out there, or you could build one yourself.

I knew what speaker I wanted before I bought my furniture, so it was planned to go where it is all along.

http://www.racksandstands.com/Plateau-ST-CC-17-S-PT0110.html

you are not still using that stand are you? I saw your center speaker on the table under your tv. Where is that stand now?

[edit]Oh.. I thought you bought that stand that you are showing in the link. my mistake nvm[/edit]

 

[dobyblue]

You asked for it.

Secondly, he only mentioned the V1. Had he said he was considering the V2, I would have posted the measurements of that, highlighting the giant 10% THD spike at 120Hz, which tapers all the way down to 80Hz.

Now that he is considering the Ultra, Paradigm has no chance. Period.

Do your homework before you call someone out.

SheepStar

No-one's calling you out sheepstar, so don't be so defensive.
The most recent posts all seemed to be about a new Servo, which could only be the V2.
AV haven't tested the v2 of the servo, but I can only assume it would be similar to the Sig.
THD above 80Hz would not be relevant to me as I have my crossover set to 80Hz. The SVS also rolls off in frequency response above 80Hz, the Servo remains flat, despite the THD peak at higher volumes.
If you look at normal listening levels of 100 dB, you'll see that the Sig has better response on THD. At 20Hz/100dB the Ultra has 10% THD and the Sig has 6%. At 20Hz/95dB the Ultra has 8% THD, the sig has 4%.
From my point of view based on those graphs, with the exception of the higher 80Hz+ frequencies at very loud volumes that the Ultra can't be tested at, the Servo plays cleaner, deeper and more powerfully than the Ultra between 12Hz - 80Hz, which means it also beats the PC Plus.

Are you getting better performance per dollar from the SVS? Yes, absolutely. It's a thousand dollars cheaper. Would I trade? Absolutely not.

 

[BabelFish]

Interesting comment dobyblue. Thx! Any thoughts on this?

 

[dobyblue]

Those figures for the SVS are for the Ultra cylinder though - they don't have graphs for the Ultra PB models.

If you're going with full range speakers you could run your crossover at 50Hz-60Hz and then you're ignoring the spike at high decibels around 120Hz.
The Servo performs very well in the lower bass range, which is after all what it's for.

Servo - 40HZ/100dB = 1%
PB12+2 - 40HZ/100dB = 1%
DD15 - 40Hz/100dB = 1.5%

Servo - 30HZ/100dB = 3%
PB12+2 - 30HZ/100dB = 4%
DD15 - 30Hz/100dB = 2.5%

Servo - 20HZ/100dB = 5.5%
PB12+2 - 20HZ/100dB = 14.5%
DD15 - 20Hz/100dB = 9.5%

Servo - 40HZ/105dB = 1.5%
PB12+2 - 40HZ/105dB = 1.5%
DD15 - 40Hz/105dB = 2.25%

Servo - 30HZ/105dB = 3%
PB12+2 - 30HZ/105dB = 7.5%
DD15 - 30Hz/105dB = 3%

Servo - 20HZ/105dB = 7%
PB12+2 - 20HZ/105dB = 30%
DD15 - 20Hz/105dB = 13.5%

 

[BabelFish]

dobyblue, Do you own the Servo 15?

Are you recommending me get the Servo 15 instead of the SVS then?

So you feel that the Servo 15 out performs the SVS (Ultra, Ultra/2, Plus, Plus/2)?

How would the Servo 15 compare to the new SVS Ultra13?

Thanks again!