Paradigm Monitor 90p (Discontinued!!! UHG)

[Sheep]

Between these two systems... which would be better:

Fronts: Monitor 11v5
S BL/S BR: ADP-390 v5
BL/BR: ADP-390 v5
Center: CC-290 v5 (would this be ok.. or should I go with the 390???)
Sub: Servo 15

OR

Fronts: Studio 60 (maybe 100 but probably not)
S BL/S BR: ADP-590
BL/BR: ADP-590
Center: CC-590 v5 (would this be ok.. or should I go with the 390???)
Sub: Servo 15

If you want bass that will rattle your ancestors, look into SVS. Should be cheaper then the Paradigm units, and better.

www.svsound.com For you, A PB-12Plus/2 should be plenty.

As for everything else, should be good. I've never heard a paradigm *speaker* I didn't really like (some of their subs were less then ideal though).

SheepStar

 

[BabelFish]

you are saying that the svs pb12-ultra/2 will hit harder then the servo 15???

Does anyone in IL have this unit that I can come over and listen to it?? They seem to only be an online dealer.

 

[Sheep]

you are saying that the svs pb12-ultra/2 will hit harder then the servo 15???

Does anyone in IL have this unit that I can come over and listen to it?? They seem to only be an online dealer.

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Many members on these boards have this unit, some in giant rooms (4000 cubic feet, up to 8000cubic feet) and they all say it is more then enough. I don't know how large your room is, but this subwoofer would definitely have higher output, and a deeper response then the servo-15. Oh, I think it's also cheaper.

SheepStar

 

[BabelFish]

I am sorry.... the picture does not do it justice... I didn't realize that it was 2 12 inch woofers.. it looked like 2 6 inch from the picture.. I had to read it to get the full impact... WOW! I will definitely put that on my table to consider... it is cheaper too.. is the cheapest one (the black non glossy finish) have the same finish like most black speakers?? Will it match?

 

[BabelFish]

I am trying to do some research on the Ultra/2 compared to the Plus/2.. They both seem to be the same size and have two 12inch subs.. What is the difference other than the amount of watts?

my room is 19ftx18ft.... but don't let that stop you from suggesting the Ultra/2... we will be getting a bigger house sometime in the future.. room for growth... never can have too much bass.. you can always turn it down but you can only turn it up so much......

 

[Sheep]

I am trying to do some research on the Ultra/2 compared to the Plus/2.. They both seem to be the same size and have two 12inch subs.. What is the difference other than the amount of watts?

my room is 19ftx18ft.... but don't let that stop you from suggesting the Ultra/2... we will be getting a bigger house sometime in the future.. room for growth... never can have too much bass.. you can always turn it down but you can only turn it up so much......

Well, the Ultra driver was better then the Plus driver. More linear, higher excursion etc etc. But since the 12.3 released, apparently (from what I've heard) they're almost the same. There should be a new Ultra driver coming out soon, so the margins between the Plus and Ultra are back in order.

The Plus/2 is just the best for the buck IMO.

The Finish is a textured black spray, kinda like those spray on truck bed liners. Its very durable, and actually makes the enclosure stronger. If you have a significant other that needs pleasing, you can try the real food finished too.

Also, the textured black doesn't come with the PEQ.

SheepStar

 

[Sheep]

The Plus/2 should be capable of this (with the 12.3 drivers, better) performance. It's a ground plain measurement taken at 2m from the the subwoofer.

This is the Servo-15 measured under the same conditions.

As you can see, they're both pretty flat, but the plus/2 has roughly 10dB more output across it's frequency response.

As I said earlier, those PB-12Plus/2 measurements are from an older model, using different drivers. The new drivers are suposedly better, so you can expect better numbers then those.

SheepStar

 

[BabelFish]

so wait.. are you saying to go with the Plus/2 or the Ultra/2... I am just about sold on the SVS in general.. now it is just which one to get...

You also said that the Ultra/2 is supposed to be coming out with a new model.. do you know when that is supposed to happen? Is it being debut at CES 2007 (this week)??


[Edit]ohh.. I am sorry.. you have been saying the Plus/2 from the very beginning.. I introduced the Ultra/2 in this conversation... Are you thinking that the Ultra/2 (with the new drivers) would be something to consider or not worth the extra money?[/Edit]

 

[dobyblue]

The Plus/2 should be capable of this (with the 12.3 drivers, better) performance. It's a ground plain measurement taken at 2m from the the subwoofer.

This is the Servo-15 measured under the same conditions.

As you can see, they're both pretty flat, but the plus/2 has roughly 10dB more output across it's frequency response.

As I said earlier, those PB-12Plus/2 measurements are from an older model, using different drivers. The new drivers are suposedly better, so you can expect better numbers then those.

SheepStar

Stop the press! That's the old 400W RMS Servo 15v1 they're testing there.
In order to see the Servo 15v2 you need to look at the response graph for the Signature Servo as it is the exact same as the Servo 15v2 with a swankier cabinet.
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=getfile&id=4204
Big difference.

Nothing SVS makes will go as deep or is as powerful as the Servo 15v2.

 

[BabelFish]

Is this a debate that has already been done? Is there a thread that I can read about this? Servo 15v2 vs PB12 Ultra/2 ??

Or should I make a thread and see what happens as people go at it?? I am just torn here on which would be a better route...

 

[Nuglets]

Between these two systems... which would be better:

Fronts: Monitor 11v5
S BL/S BR: ADP-390 v5
BL/BR: ADP-390 v5
Center: CC-290 v5 (would this be ok.. or should I go with the 390???)
Sub: Servo 15

OR

Fronts: Studio 60 (maybe 100 but probably not)
S BL/S BR: ADP-590
BL/BR: ADP-590
Center: CC-590 v5 (would this be ok.. or should I go with the 390???)
Sub: Servo 15

As far as those two systems go the second one is much better. The 590 center channel would be my choice, I don't have that kind of cash but if you do you will not be dissatisfied with it, so it's up to you to decide. I own the Monitor 11's and they are great sounding speaker's but not quite like the studio series and if you are going to get that Servo or SVS you will not need 3 x 6.5" bass driver's to go with it. For front's I would go with the Studio 40's for sure because there is no need for the lower frequency response in your situation.

 

[dobyblue]

I own the Monitor 11's and they are great sounding speaker's but not quite like the studio series and if you are going to get that Servo or SVS you will not need 3 x 6.5" bass driver's to go with it.

You might not need it, but it sure is fantastic to have it.

With the 11v5 you get 2 x 7.5" bass drivers instead of 3 x 6.5" bass drivers.

 

[Sheep]

Stop the press! That's the old 400W RMS Servo 15v1 they're testing there.
In order to see the Servo 15v2 you need to look at the response graph for the Signature Servo as it is the exact same as the Servo 15v2 with a swankier cabinet.
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=getfile&id=4204
Big difference.

Nothing SVS makes will go as deep or is as powerful as the Servo 15v2.

You asked for it.

Secondly, he only mentioned the V1. Had he said he was considering the V2, I would have posted the measurements of that, highlighting the giant 10% THD spike at 120Hz, which tapers all the way down to 80Hz.

Now that he is considering the Ultra, Paradigm has no chance. Period.

Do your homework before you call someone out.

SheepStar

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Nothing SVS makes will go as deep or is as powerful as the Servo 15v2.

If that were true I would have bought it. I was very disappointed in the Servo series from Paradigm during a recent trip to a few high end shops in Canada. After demoing all the SVS models (and the original Plus drivers), there is no comparison. The only thing the Servo has over the Plus/2 or Ultra/2 is WAF.

 

[j_garcia]

I agree with Nuglets. I'd go with 40s and a good sub (SVS, HSU).

Sorry to say it, but the Servo 15 doesn't stand a chance against a comparable SVS or HSU sub.

 

[Nuglets]

You might not need it, but it sure is fantastic to have it.

With the 11v5 you get 2 x 7.5" bass drivers instead of 3 x 6.5" bass drivers.

Not if you don't use them though. It's actually a disappointment when they are there but you aren't using them and if you try it doesn't sound good anyways. Yes they are nice and they look nice too, but if you are using a subwoofer you will want to use the receiver's internal crossover to get a nice blend of bass and midrange instead of having the frequencies overlap and interfere with each other. As I have already stated, I had a sub and not long after I got those 90P's I I sold it because no matter how much I tried I couldn't blend them together well, it just sounded worse than when I used one or the other. I sold my sub because the accuracy and extension was greater with the 90P's than the PS-1200. The documentation will show otherwise which is why you can't buy based on that specification. There are many factor's other than the sub itself that will dictate the low frequency response such as room acoustics, placement, listening position, etc... I can almost guarantee without even hearing it, that the SVS will rock the pants off of my 90P's low frequency response and maximum dB's at low frequencies and I'm willing to bet that the Servo or HSU's will probably do the same. Good Luck

 

[BabelFish]

When I look at the spec, I don't see any difference between the base/midrange driver and the Bass Driver on the Studio 40 and Studio 60.. What am I missing? Why would the 40 be better for me then the 60 (with that being the case)?

Ok, so if I was to heed the advice of all that I am hearing here (which is awesome!!) I should get:

Amp: Denon 3808
Fronts: Studio 40v4
S BL/S BR: Studio ADP590
BL/ BR: Studio ADP590
Center: StudioCC590
Sub: PB12-Ultra/2

How much should that run me (minus the Amp).. just so I know before I go into a store and get gouged on their prices.

Also.. Is the ADP-590 ok for the sides and rears or should I consider some other speaker like Studio 20? Thanks again.

I understand that the speaker system is the most important part of a home theater but I can't have it take all of my money. I don't want to skimp with the projector. I think I can find someway to justify the bass unit regardless though

Also are the Studio v4 going to sound that much better than the Monitor v5 Series considering the extra amount more that I am going to have to pay in order to get them?

 

[BabelFish]

bumpbumpbump

 

[j_garcia]

I personally would go with 20s, at least for the rears. Could go either way on the sides, but if your room is a normal rectangle and allows for proper mounting, the ADPs should work well. Yes, go with the Studios over the Monitors.

 

[BabelFish]

Ok sounds good!

What about this question? "When I look at the spec, I don't see any difference between the base/midrange driver and the Bass Driver on the Studio 40 and Studio 60.. What am I missing? Why would the 40 be better for me then the 60 (with that being the case)?"

Thanks again!