paradigm great speakers?

grd4spd

grd4spd

Audioholic Intern
warpdrive said:
I have the CS-60R which is quite different from the ones you posted about.

thanks for the reply warpdrive.....

yes, i just noticed those today (was looking in an old catalogue)......im thinking those will suit me well for the rear surrounds....where/what are you using them for?

regards,
terry
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Are these "alternatives" in the same price range as Paradigm? Or are they 3X as much?
Hello
I don’t think anyone said that the Paradigm was a bad speaker, It does many thing’s well If you want an alternative in the same price range listen to the RBH Signature series You will find plenty of reviews here at this site look at the reviews page. Go listen to the flagship Paradigm’s take along your own listening material (something you have listened to many times) Then seek out an RBH dealer and listen to these with the same material and tell us what you think ;)
http://www.rbhsound.com/1266se.shtml
 
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jimmit

Junior Audioholic
Yes, let's get back to the original post. Steelheart specifically asked for pros and cons of owning Paradigm Monitor series speakers and for any opinions on Sapphire speakers.

I can't comment on Sapphires - never heard them and don't know anything about the company.

As a Paradigm product owner and as someone who has heard several Monitor line speakers, I can comment. Pros: A few negative comments in this thread notwithstanding, Paradigm is a well respected speaker manufacturer that makes speakers in many price ranges. As you may know, their Monitor line is the third from the top, after their Signature line and their Reference line. It's a good bang for the buck speaker.

In a professional review of a Paradigm's speaker (Reference Studio 20) Doug Schneider, a professional reviewer said the following about Paradigm as a company: "Paradigm has created and maintained an enviable reputation for making great-sounding speakers. However, in recent years, mostly as a result of the Reference products, the company is gaining an equally warranted reputation for great-sounding speakers regardless of price -- even if they still don’t cost all that much compared to other speakers on the market."

That review is found in soundstage.com. By the way, you can go to soundstage.com and look for any advertisements for Paradigm products but you won't find any.

In the Monitor line I liked the Monitor 5's and the Mini Monitors the best. I'm not too keen on floorstanders per se, but I understand that among the Monitor floorstanders, the Monitor 11's sound pretty good.

The cons: For cons, consult with the naysayers; I can't think of any.

With respect to comments to the effect that certain speakers "beat out" Paradigm speakers in tonal and harmonic balance and accuracy: First, that's painting all Paradigm speakers with a pretty broad brush. I'm not familiar with most of the speakers cornelius recommends over the Paradigms, though I have never read anything bad about Dynaudio; they are seemingly universally well respected. But let me again offer a quote from the previously mentioned review:

"While the Studio 20 v.3s didn’t quite have the velvety texture of the FS-788s when reproducing male vocals, they most certainly had similar clarity along with ideal tonal balance and freedom from chestiness or other such nastiness." So, here's a professional reviewer who feels that at least this Paradigm speaker's tonal balance is "ideal."

Here's a couple of other quotes:

"The top end is stunning. It's clear and wonderfully extended, with ease and purity that I normally associate with higher-priced speakers -- much higher-priced."

"Its effortless treble will better that of like-priced competitors, not to mention the treble of some very expensive speakers."

"And at the Montreal Son & Image show, some companies were playing speakers costing thousands of dollars that didn’t sound as clean and effortless as the Studio 20 v.3 in its upper reaches. To get topnotch high-frequency performance like the Studio 20 v.3 gives you for hundreds of dollars, not thousands, is something to rave about."

"Equally impressive is the Studio 20 v.3’s midrange, which is clean, clear, detailed, and devoid of colorations such as chestiness and wooliness. Male voice was rich, full-bodied, and quite present (present as in there), while female voice was silky smooth. Throughout Gone, Keelor’s voice is close-miked and has the kind of detail and presence that makes audiophiles swoon. Sarah McLachlan also appears on this album, and her angelic backing vocals have ease and clarity without grain or edge. The Studio 20 v.3 is a clean, smooth performer, and it preserves all that the very best speakers do."


Now, all that having been said, I cannot disagree with cornelius' suggestion regarding auditioning other speakers. As you can tell, I like Paradigm speakers, but they're not the only speakers I like. And, as you can see, not everyone likes them as well as I do. You would be doing yourself a favor by taking the time to audition many speakers. You may find others within your budget that you like even more.

Good luck and have fun in the hunt!
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
RLA said:
Hello
I don’t think anyone said that the Paradigm was a bad speaker, It does many thing’s well If you want an alternative in the same price range listen to the RBH Signature series You will find plenty of reviews here at this site look at the reviews page. Go listen to the flagship Paradigm’s take along your own listening material (something you have listened to many times) Then seek out an RBH dealer and listen to these with the same material and tell us what you think ;)
http://www.rbhsound.com/1266se.shtml
RLA,

Was just checking out those RBH's, and noticed the spl at 88 and rated at 4 ohms. I would think being that inefficient, you would need one heck of an amp to get them going. Doesn't seem like the obvious choice for a low to mid priced underpowered receiver. I'm getting more and more annoyed at these speaker companies charging top dollar and designing their speakers at outrageously low efficiency levels. That includes my Polks, which love the power.
 
Paulvader

Paulvader

Junior Audioholic
I have just recently set up my little home theatre in the attic. I went with Paradigm speakers for my system. I had a pair of monitor 3's 14 years ago, so I thought I'd probably go back to Paradigm now. When I went out looking to complete my new system, I was glad to find that Paradigm are as respected today, as they were when I purchased my 1st pair. To me, the fact that their name is as - or more respected now, helped me make an easy decision on what to purchase. I love my monitor 90P's. I had listened to Klipsch as comparison and found that for the price difference...Paradigm.
 
grd4spd

grd4spd

Audioholic Intern
Re: My Dad Can Beatup Your Dad.....

ahhhhh.....the "Professionals" enter the conversation! :rolleyes:

having someone tell me that "this" speaker (sounds) better than another is like a wine critic trying to tell me what wine tastes good.....its totally subjective....followed by big fantasticly splendorous words of valueless wonderment.

hey if a transistor radio sounds good with a warm glass of PBR, so be it. :D

moving on.....

like i said, Paradigm works great for me.....got a pair as a wedding present (to self) 14 years ago.....they have lasted longer (and still me pleasure to this day) than the marriage did......and i dont need a "Professional" (ie..marriage counselor) to tell me/us what we already knew. :p


regards,
terry
 
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warpdrive

Full Audioholic
grd4spd said:
thanks for the reply warpdrive.....

yes, i just noticed those today (was looking in an old catalogue)......im thinking those will suit me well for the rear surrounds....where/what are you using them for?

regards,
terry
I'm just using them in our kitchen/dining room. Need some tunes when cooking up a storm.

Personally, I would go for at least free standing speakers for the front channels, I think the sound quality of in-wall speakers is a going to be a compromise no matter how good the brand. Drywall just doesn't make a good enclosure.

Some Paradigm bookshelf speakers and center channel + in-walls for the rear would work well and have high wife acceptance factor.
 
grd4spd

grd4spd

Audioholic Intern
warpdrive said:
I'm just using them in our kitchen/dining room. Need some tunes when cooking up a storm.
i hear you on that! food, vino and music!!

Personally, I would go for at least free standing speakers for the front channels,
unfortunately i dont think that i can pull that off (for a # of reasons). :rolleyes:

I think the sound quality of in-wall speakers is a going to be a compromise no matter how good the brand. Drywall just doesn't make a good enclosure.
yeah i just trying to do my best with a limited situation....so i figure im going to put the biggest, baddest i can in the ceiling and try to make it work....

Some Paradigm bookshelf speakers and center channel + in-walls for the rear would work well and have high wife acceptance factor.
the way this design is working out i simply dont have any place to put freestanding/bookshelf type speakers....dont want them freestanding and dont have the shelf space.....gotta do the best i can with inwall/inceiling.... :(


regards,
terry
 
zipper

zipper

Full Audioholic
RLA.............there aren't too many renowned hifi outlets around Seattle so I sent RBH an email requesting info on where I can hear them. I've read the reviews & would very much like to demo them.
 
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cownd

Junior Audioholic
To answer the question: "Are Paradigm great speakers?"

Yes they are. But other speakers are good as well ;)

Until I see a paradigm speaker recieve a bad review, or are not highly competitve in their price category, (funny how the reviewers usually say "outperforms speakers 2-3x their price") or stop putting "jaw dropping expressions" on my freinds and familys faces, or... well, you get it !! :)

You really can't go wrong, and those who own them, swear by them. I did however enjoy Monitor Audio's various products as well. Every ear is different so audition as much as possible.
 
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KrisJ

Junior Audioholic
I think they are great speakers, I myself did perfer the monitor audio Silver and Gold series to the studio series.
 
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jimmit

Junior Audioholic
I've never heard the Silver or Gold Series Monitor Audios but I did audition the Bronze (B2's). It seems to be a well built speaker and sounded great at that price point. Monitor Audio is certainly a speaker to consider. In that general price range I also liked JMLab Chorus speakers.
 
gene

gene

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Administrator
By the way, you can go to soundstage.com and look for any advertisements for Paradigm products but you won't find any.
Just a point of correction, Paradigm is listed on their homepage under their index of sponsors.
 
grd4spd

grd4spd

Audioholic Intern
thanks for the link to soundstage.com.....good reading there. :)

regards,
terry
 
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jimmit

Junior Audioholic
gene said:
Just a point of correction, Paradigm is listed on their homepage under their index of sponsors.
I stand corrected.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I think PSB Image line is a better value than

the monitor line from Paradigm. Is Paradigm good? Yes they are. Are they the best bang for the buck. Nope, not in my opinion.
 
grd4spd

grd4spd

Audioholic Intern
evening gents...

this Paradigm Reference series speakers i will be running (all ceiling mount)....

1 pr - SA35 (mains/front effect)




1 pr - SA15R (rear effect)




1 ea - CC470.v3, (center)




2 ea - VC150 (exterior, manual volume control)




2 pr - SA30's (ambient music locations)






2 pr - Stylus 350, (outdoor/patio)





considering these as well....

1 pr - SM60R (2 domes offset 60degree for rear effect, in place of SA15R)





1 ea - Servo 15 (sub)




or...


1 ea - Reference Seismic 12 (sub)



or i can run the 15R (instead of the pricier SA30) in all the ambient music locations and the SM60R in the rear effect speakers.....all thoughts welcome....

regards,
terry
 
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Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
I've never really liked the lack of flexibility of in-wall speakers. When spending that kind of money on a system, you really limit yourself to the type of sound you get with in-walls. Speaker placement is vital to the surround stage. The trade off is the superior WAF, which could mean all the difference in the world. :)
 
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LEVESQUE

Junior Audioholic
I don't care about any "professionnal" reviews. The only thing I trust are MY ears.

And I did ALOT of comparisons in-house with alot of really $$$ speakers, and I finally bought the Paradigm Signature serie: S8, C5 and 2 pair of S2.

I was not able to find any speakers, even at 2x the price that was giving me that level of details and clarity. With the Anthem D1 and P5, the Signatures are in total synergy with my treated room, and every Paradigm nay-sayer "audiophile" friends that came to my house are coming out with the tail between their legs...

We can't really argue about speakers preferences. Sound is a personnal thing, and every person is different.

But to me the Paradigm sound did it.
 
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