
zipper
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<font color='#000000'>It's hard to judge an obscure artist. Would like to hear some of his stuff. What are your opinions of Pat Thrall & Al Dimeola?</font>
<font color='#000000'>I agree that Stevie Ray was one of the best blues guitarists around, but I don't feel his songwriting and vocal style equaled his guitar playing. I'll admit I'm not a huge fan of the blues (love the music/hate the singing), so it was probably unfair for me to include him on my list. I just think that the blues as a genre is overrated all together.</font>jeffsg4mac : <font color='#000000'>Vivaldi, I only disagree with one of your overates, Stevie Ray Vaughn. WTF man he was the greatest blues guitarist to yet live. Have you ever seen him play? Much better than Johnny Winter, or Robert Cray or even Buddy Guy. They man was amazing to see play, and that is coming from a Pat Metheny, Al DeMiola, Lee Ritenour, Larry Carlton, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Earl Klugh, Peter Frampton, Russ Freeman Junkie![]()
There was also some talent in the 70's rock bands, STYX, Journey were very solid musically and lyrically speaking as well as a handful of others. Most of your list I agree with though.</font>
I do like REO, ELO and Supertramp. I have their greatest hits albums. Their ratio of mediocre to good output is high though, but I'd rather listen to them then some on my overrated list.</font>zipper : I agree with many of your picks(Stones,Dave Matthews),but Pearl Jam? Not.Stevie Ray?Not.King Crimson?Not.
Personally, I think REO Speedwagon was a little underrated.It appears to me that you like deep complicated music,as do I,but I also like good solid R & R like Pat Travers,Judas Priest,UFO,etc.
I'm also a big fan of Supertramp.Seen them 3 times.How about ELO?
I almost was going to include Jimi Hendrix on my overrated list but when I thought about how great his first three albums really are I just couldn't. I will say however that those three albums are the only ones a person really needs to have. Forget about all the live stuff and the post-humous crap.</font>Rob Babcock : BTW, though, they are near the top of my most overrated in history, along w/the King of Everrated Musicians, Jimi Hendrix. Also starring: Bob Marley, Madonna, The Rolling Stones, Bob Seger & Dave Mathews.
I'd say Rush is definately underrated, as are XTC, Allan Holdsworth, Joe Satriani & Drivin' N Cryin'.
OK.. I must preface this by saying, that even in the 60's, I never really cared for the Beatles. However, I used to listen to a radio show called 'Adventures in Good Music' hosted by Carl Haas. It was really excellent, he's both a musician and serious musicologist. Normally he'd be introducing us to obscure 19th century composers, or some such. I do remember him devoting an entire show to the Beatles (he almost never did 'pop' type music), and saying that serious musicologist's will be studying their music for years to come. Considering the source, I have to take that opinion seriously.jeffsg4mac : Oh come now, the beatles were the most overrated band of them all, They sucked in every way possible, talent wise, music wise, lyric wise, fidelity wise, they sucked man. Their music was crap! There is/was not a talent among them. OK end of rant![]()
<font color='#000000'>I totally agree with you on J. Brahms And R. Strauss. I love Lizst's Hungarian Rhapsodies and Totentanz, but most of his other works are boring. Another overrated guy is Hayden. The works I've heard by him have so far have failed to move me in any way. I love Beethoven and Tchaikovsky but some of their stuff can drag on a bit too long.</font>hopjohn : <font color='#000000'>Other's worth mention
Underateds
Dire Straits
E.L.O.
Stray Cats
Blues Traveler
Much of Classical music, Brahms, R. Strauss, Liszt and more
Overrateds
Madonna
Michael Jackson; guilty or not
Van Halen; post Roth</font>
<font color='#000000'>My brother hates Bob Dylan, whom I like, (overrated after 1969) but loves Tom Petty. I don't understand. Nobody sounds more like Dylan vocal wise then Tom Petty! Go figure.zumbo : <font color='#000000'>David Bowie? Bob Dylan? Tom Petty? Aw, thats going to p!$$ someone off!</font>![]()
Sir, let me just say that I'm honored to share this board with someone who has seen the mighty Rubinstein, the B minor Mass (the greatest piece of music written?) and The Doors live. Isn't it funny how when some musicians are extremely respected, like Hendrix or The Beatles, there's always a few who passionatly hate them? As far as The Doors charisma and presence go, from what I seen I'd say that was all because of the antics of one man... Jim Morrison. He seemed more interested in causing a stir then caring about music, as do the cult like fans who worship him. He reminds me of a 60's version of Madonna. After Jim Morrison died, the remaining Doors actually came out with another album in 1972, which failed miserably at the time and is almost completely forgotten today. It kinda showed that there really were no "The Doors", only Jim Morrison. Some bands survive the loss of their members. As an example, the band Genesis not only survived the loss of their charismatic lead singer (Peter Gabriel) but actually became more famous and prosperous (monetarily wise). This was due to their sheer musical ability, which The Doors somewhat lacked, but none of the members were more lacking then ole Jimmy himself, who was often too stoned to remember his lines or stand up straight to sing, and I much prefer the keyboard work of Ray Manzarek and the contributions of the other members over the overrated Mr. Morrison, but I've only heard their studio output. I wasn't there at the time, but considering that most rock bands suck live, I don't think The Doors would've been a revelation.</font>EdR : I must also comment on the Doors. There are some performers who have such charisma and stage presence that their performances are transformed, and one is transported into some sort of musical other world. I have had this experience only three times in my life. I had the opportunity to hear Artur Rubenstein in recital (in his 80's no less), Carl Richter conduct the SF symphony in Bach's Mass in B minor, and the Doors perform live.
And yes, I'd rank the Doors with the other two. Whatever their magic was, it didn't quite make it onto the records. Actually, neither did Rubenstein, though his recording are quite good. When he played, he made very audible mistakes, and you simply didn't care. They were genius mistakes.
<font color='#000000'>All I can say, is that while I liked the Door's music, I was hardly a 'passionate fan', even then- they happened to be playing in my town, and I was looking for something to do on a date. While I was expecting 'good', and, if memory serves, it was after the famous pants dropping episode, perhaps something amusing to talk about, but I was hardly expecting musical satori.A. Vivaldi : <font color='#000000'>As far as The Doors charisma and presence go, from what I seen I'd say that was all because of the antics of one man... Jim Morrison. He seemed more interested in causing a stir then caring about music, as do the cult like fans who worship him. He reminds me of a 60's version of Madonna. After Jim Morrison died, the remaining Doors actually came out with another album in 1972, which failed miserably at the time and is almost completely forgotten today.</font>
<font color='#000000'>I also agree that the grunge bands were overrated, but compared to the truly awful hair metal bands that preceded them and were subsequently wiped off the face of the earth by them, they were a God send. (I'm currently waiting for another genre to wipe out the current crop of Hip Hop/Pop/Rap crap that's been plaguing the music scene for far to long) Towards the very end, Nirvana actually started to get pretty good. What a shame. Dave Grohl certainly went on to bigger and better things didn't he? EdR : <font color='#000000'>
While I agree with Gene about Niverna, I don't tar the entire genre. To me, the 80's alternative scene was musically very exciting. And while I hardly noticed the departure of Mr. Colbain</font>
<font color='#000000'>I've never understood all the hoopla over Elvis. "The King Of Rock"zumbo : <font color='#000000'>Elvis $u(ked!
Yeap! I said it!
Y'all scared?</font>![]()