mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Most likely a lose of a engine show the plane taking off, like falling off the wing. Airport CCTV footage showed the left engine detaching from the wing on take off. .
Was the wing on fire at that time or afterwards from fuel sparing everywhere.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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And yet, the B-52 is still being used after 70 years, with upgraded engines.

I have to think they swap engines occasionally and do metallurgical testing of the mounting points. I guess we'll find out if the bolts came out/broke or if the mount itself failed. Hopefully, it's not sabotage- we definitely don't need that to become a common event.

RIP
At time they also remove it, check and take things apart to check things, then remount it. Unless they happen to have one waiting in line so $$$ is not lost.
Come to think of it, there was a scandal a while back about using parts that do not qualify QC.
 
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dlaloum

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I suppose I can LOL, but it's also rather sad. It's as if they cannot figure out the problem, which IMO is you have these conservative "personalities," not conservative news people with say a constitutional background (nope) or just more newsy stuff. I mean Mark Levine, Benny Johnson, Candace Owens, Laura Loomer etc -- when are you people gonna wake up?! Plus how are you gonna 'get the vote out' with this clown show in office? Pleas enlighten me.

They are not in fact conservative, they are actually reactionary...

The Democrat "establishment" as well as the traditional Republicans - they are all true Conservatives.

Sanders, Mamdani, Ocasio-Cortez, these are progressive rather than conservative.

It always annoys me to hear reactionaries called "conservative" - meaningless nonsense! Orwellian double speak.
 
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lovinthehd

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And yet, the B-52 is still being used after 70 years, with upgraded engines.

I have to think they swap engines occasionally and do metallurgical testing of the mounting points. I guess we'll find out if the bolts came out/broke or if the mount itself failed. Hopefully, it's not sabotage- we definitely don't need that to become a common event.

RIP
B52s have an intense maintenance system. Does UPS for the MD11? Why would it be sabotage rather than negligence?
 
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
B52s have an intense maintenance system. Does UPS for the MD11? Why would it be sabotage rather than negligence?
Occams razor - the simplest possibility is the most likely one!

Incompetence in maintenance is much more likely than sabotage.

But there will be a major investigation, and people will be looking for very public explanations!
 
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GO-NAD!

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B52s have an intense maintenance system. Does UPS for the MD11? Why would it be sabotage rather than negligence?
Occams razor - the simplest possibility is the most likely one!

Incompetence in maintenance is much more likely than sabotage.

But there will be a major investigation, and people will be looking for very public explanations!
I was going to guess that the MD 11 airframes probably have a lot more flight hours on them than the B52s. So, I "did the google".

The average B-52H in service has logged approximately
18,850 flight hours, though this number can vary depending on individual aircraft usage. This is a testament to the aircraft's long service life, with the estimated maximum airframe life being between 32,500 and 37,500 hours, meaning most are well under their total lifespan limit.


Given the high annual usage rates of MD-11 freighters, individual aircraft currently in service with companies like FedEx and UPS (many of which are over 25-30 years old) have likely accumulated 80,000 to over 100,000 flight hours throughout their lifespan.
I suspect that, despite the vast difference in flight hours, B-52s receive significantly more TLC than the average MD 11.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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Some decent analysis it seems in this that just came in my feed
Interesting video, especially where he talks about the Chicago crash of the same kind of plane, same left engine fell off. Long maintenance on this aircraft, a month or more. Wow, with other issues.
 
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Dude#1279435

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They are not in fact conservative, they are actually reactionary...

The Democrat "establishment" as well as the traditional Republicans - they are all true Conservatives.

Sanders, Mamdani, Ocasio-Cortez, these are progressive rather than conservative.

It always annoys me to hear reactionaries called "conservative" - meaningless nonsense! Orwellian double speak.
Just curious. Do you think you can be both reactionary and conservative? I don't really get why they're reactionary though. To change? In their view I imagine what has always worked has always worked, but I'm befuddled to why they don't really have input on anything beyond being reactionary? I think they will say this applies to the left too, but my experience is that while the left media are not saints, they tell the truth about the right more than vice versa. I tend to think part of that is the degree to which they lie, so the lies compound themselves to cover for the initial lies. There's conservative influencers, national conservative radio, the NY Post, Faux primetime, X, etc. Not much there in terms of factual news IMO. I remember the guy on reddit who replied to why there are no real "conservative" search engines. Answer: because they will just lie.
 
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B52s have an intense maintenance system. Does UPS for the MD11? Why would it be sabotage rather than negligence?
I would hope UPS has a stringent maintenance policy- how would they be able to secure insurance if they don't?

Why sabotage? Because people want attention and too many think they have a right to do whatever they want, that's why.
 
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I was going to guess that the MD 11 airframes probably have a lot more flight hours on them than the B52s. So, I "did the google".





I suspect that, despite the vast difference in flight hours, B-52s receive significantly more TLC than the average MD 11.
The high flight hours is the reason I mentioned metallurgical testing- X-ray of critical components as a field-test is common.
 
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cpp

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The high flight hours is the reason I mentioned metallurgical testing- X-ray of critical components as a field-test is common.
Lets not forget the plane was 34 years old and you are spot on with the 'metallurgical testing' . Are UPS even doing this ? makes you wonder how safe any plane is in the sky thats older than 10 years if its seeing high usage.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I would hope UPS has a stringent maintenance policy- how would they be able to secure insurance if they don't?

Why sabotage? Because people want attention and too many think they have a right to do whatever they want, that's why.
There's a lot of pressure in logistics to move things quickly and keep them moving; it wouldn't surprise me UPS isn't as stringent as the military can afford. Does the insurance company double check UPS?

No one is asking for attention due this crash that I've seen. Seems a bit far fetched in any case.
 
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dlaloum

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Just curious. Do you think you can be both reactionary and conservative? I don't really get why they're reactionary though. To change? In their view I imagine what has always worked has always worked, but I'm befuddled to why they don't really have input on anything beyond being reactionary? I think they will say this applies to the left too, but my experience is that while the left media are not saints, they tell the truth about the right more than vice versa. I tend to think part of that is the degree to which they lie, so the lies compound themselves to cover for the initial lies. There's conservative influencers, national conservative radio, the NY Post, Faux primetime, X, etc. Not much there in terms of factual news IMO. I remember the guy on reddit who replied to why there are no real "conservative" search engines. Answer: because they will just lie.
Conservative.. definition:
Averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
ie: maintainers of the status quo, believing in change where needed, by limited incremental small variations

Reactionary ... definition:
a person who favors a return to a previous state of society which they believe possessed positive characteristics absent from contemporary. (worthy of note: the "previous state of society" is almost invariably a total fantasy)

Reactionaries are a specific form of revolutionary - they typically aim to tear down the current status quo, in favour of an imagined previous "golden age" setup.

You can have both right and left wing conservatives, reactionaries are always right wing, although revolutionaries come in both reactionary (right wing) and progressive (left wing) flavors.

As reactionaries (MAGA, Tea Party) have taken control of the US Republican party, they have adopted (appropriated) the "conservative" name tag - but there is nothing conservative about their politics or ideology.

Most of the Democratic party have for decades been conservative in both politics and ideology, although in the US context they have been painted as "left wing", if you look at their policies and ideologies in a historical and international context, the US Democrats are a right wing party.

Even the most "extreme" left wing politicians in the USA, are proponents of policies and ideologies that the rest of the world considers at most centrist.

The USA overton window is so far to the right that there is barely a vestigial left wing left.

Like all sociological movements through history, the pendulum does swing... and the more to the right it swings, the more extreme the counter swing will be.

The Russian Empire, was the most autocratic (right wing) government of the late 19th century....which led to the communist revolution.... and then all the way back to Putins autocracy.
Most of the rest of the world introduced constitutional monarchies, diluted their autocracies, and thereby limited the "swings of the pendulum".
The more extreme Trump is, and the more successful he and his cronies are, the worse the counter swing will be. (and the counter swing could take decades, look at the USSR).

Conservatives basically try to dampen the motion of that pendulum... gently adjusting to the right or to the left, but doing their best to avoid massive revolutionary changes - in the knowledge that such actions are by their nature unpredictable... hard to tell how far the pendulum will swing, and how far back!
Yes a progressive can be conservative, or a progressive can be revolutionary - but not both.
A conservative cannot be a revolutionary - cannot be a proponent of massive dramatic change - not without ceasing to be conservative.

Calling MAGA "conservative", is basically the same as calling NAZI's "socialist" - yes both appropriated the respective terms, it was part of their marketing / PR.... but in both cases their actual policies were (and are) the exact opposite of the appropriated term.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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Why sabotage? Because people want attention and too many think they have a right to do whatever they want, that's why.
Insider disgruntled worker with access? Although there is another person to check the work.
 
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Insider disgruntled worker with access? Although there is another person to check the work.
Could be at any level, including inspectors. People do all kinds of things for money, ideology, whatever. Just throwing it out as an "I hope not" kind of thing.
 
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highfigh

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There's a lot of pressure in logistics to move things quickly and keep them moving; it wouldn't surprise me UPS isn't as stringent as the military can afford. Does the insurance company double check UPS?

No one is asking for attention due this crash that I've seen. Seems a bit far fetched in any case.
Does the insurance company want to pay out tens/hundreds of millions of dollars in the event of a crash?
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Lets not forget the plane was 34 years old and you are spot on with the 'metallurgical testing' . Are UPS even doing this ? makes you wonder how safe any plane is in the sky thats older than 10 years if its seeing high usage.
I think it would be better to find out if the FAA requires it and I would bet that they do.
 
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