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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
I still think the best description of Trump was that he plays "footsie" with the far right vote.


>>>The 5th era of far-right activity saw groups go ‘underground and offline’ (Winter, 2019), regarding the internet as free from government oversight or control. The far right’s online presence was mixed, with innovation [1] dependent on the national context: a number of sites took advantage of the affordance of the internet to spread propaganda, expand networks, and connect previously scattered individuals. The online presence of the far right evolved with the internet, moving from bulletin boards, to websites and forums, to the social media platforms that have since come to dominate. Winter has noted how key events, such as the election of Obama in 2008, gave an initial boost to the far right as it provided a clear rallying call. Social media and the internet more generally helped the diffusion of propaganda and manifestos, such as in the case of Anders Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist who murdered 77 people in a series of attacks in 2011, including 69 young left-wing activists on the island of Utøya. This was also witnessed after the terrorist attack in 2019 in Christchurch, New Zealand, when Australian Brenton Tarrant murdered 51 Muslims at a mosque. His manifesto, as well as images of the numerous symbols drawn on his weapons, quickly spread across the Internet and resonated across far-right communities.

In this context, Trump’s candidacy and campaign in 2016 allowed for the different strands of far and extreme right to converge under one banner, as he was not only the candidate of the Grand Old Party, but also closely allied with the new kid on the far-right block: the alt-right. Trump also received support from traditional extreme-right movements and actors such as David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and the Proud Boys.

The alt-right, a term first used in 2008 by white nationalist Richard Spencer, was initially seen as a new branding for a neo-conservative, explicitly racial reaction to traditional conservatism. For the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), this ‘new’ movement represented ‘a set of far-right ideologies, groups and individuals whose core belief is that “white identity” is under attack by multicultural forces using “political correctness” and “social justice” to undermine white people and “their” civilization’. Denying the racism of the movement, ‘members’ claimed to ‘simply’ be engaging with identity politics, victimised by ‘reverse racism’, demands for equality and political correctness. The alt-right did not represent a true movement with cohesive goals, membership or purpose. Instead, it is understood to be an amalgamation of beliefs, revolving around support for explicit white supremacist, nationalist, and fascist politics. As such, it operates more like a spectrum than a movement or party, as suggested by the term alt-lite used to define ‘less’ extreme actors.

In 2016, the alt-right gained prominence through media interest and active engagement with the Presidential Election. One of the key alt-right spaces, r/the_donald on Reddit, even hosted a Question-and-Answer session[2] with a number of campaign staff, including Donald Trump. It became a space that reflected the President himself: a rejection of any semblance of reasonable political discussion. Anonymous swarms of alt-right trolls would swamp hashtags and dominate platforms with their messaging, attempting to drown out dissenting opinions. It is worth noting here that r/the_donald, and other similar threads, have since been shut down in an effort to counter extremism on social media platforms and head off controversy in advance of the 2020 election – what was acceptable in the lead up to Trump’s election has since become beyond the pale. This has led to more overtly far-right platforms, such as Parler, gaining the attention Reddit received in 2016.

In 2016, the alt-right was a jubilant cheerleader for Trump, a candidate considered for a number of months to be somewhat of a joke, attracting many who claimed to have joined the movement ironically or subversively. As the campaign progressed, the alt-right fuelled and was fuelled by a venomous discourse of toxic masculinity and racism, epitomised by their branding of opposition conservatives as ‘cuckservatives’. Legitimising the connection, Trump ultimately hired alt-right individuals such as Steve Bannon, then editor of Breitbart. As such, its actors gained prominence in the campaign and access to government during the Trump presidency; alt-right discourse became mainstreamed, if not altogether mainstream. For example, it became increasingly common to hear adversaries, no matter how moderate, denounced as traitors to the nation trying to institutionalise Socialism and open borders.

As the events that took place in Charlottesville in August 2017 demonstrated, the far and extreme-right threat was not just an online phenomenon. As neo-Nazis and other extreme-right activists took to the streets, the murder of anti-fascist Heather Heyer made clear that threats of violence were not ironic banter. Trump’s reaction to these events blurred the boundaries between the extreme and far right and the mainstream further, as he refused to outright condemn the fascist event, instead declaring that ‘you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides’. The false equivalence between fascists and the mythologised and misunderstood ‘Antifa’ would become a cornerstone of Trump’s discourse.<<<
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Trump's tone is dry and abrasive like sandpaper. I'll have to remember that LOL.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I still don't see your point. My father served during Vietnam war era, but in Germany. Does this make him 'less' somehow?
Would you please read the comment and try to understand it? The first time I responded, I thought I made it clear that your father was more involved because he didn't stay in the US. FFS! He didn't see battle, but he WAS trained as a soldier and was only hours away from the USSR.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Would you please read the comment and try to understand it? The first time I responded, I thought I made it clear that your father was more involved because he didn't stay in the US. FFS! He didn't see battle, but he WAS trained as a soldier and was only hours away from the USSR.
I did read your post. People serve in all capacities, at all levels, at all locations, in the service. I'm not going to poop on someone because they had an assignment State side and didn't get shot at.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

Yeah they tried to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer I believe. :confused::rolleyes:
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
Trump 5 deferments from the Nam war. Ali a conciseness objector. Guess who went to prison?
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
I'm driving but I just heard that Trump was shot
It’s unclear what happened but my best guess is that a bullet grazed his right ear.

My impression is that Trump is okay (thank God)
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
What I saw/heard in the video was quite a few shots popping off and the bit of blood on drumphy afterwards as the SS guys helped him back up. I'm wondering was no one else injured? Any idea of the shooter if caught? Made for tv? We'll know more soon enough....perhaps.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
What I saw/heard in the video was quite a few shots popping off and the bit of blood on drumphy afterwards as the SS guys helped him back up. I'm wondering was no one else injured? Any idea of the shooter if caught? Made for tv? We'll know more soon enough....perhaps.
I would wait for details to emerge before drawing any conclusions. Sounds like the gunmen is dead along with an attendee.

This isn't the way folks...
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Though some will say I'm cold, what's amazing is there haven't been more attempts given Trump's escalation of hate. Thankfully they missed. However, I'll be tuning out on what I think Trump and conservative media will turn this into.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan

>>>“Today is not just some isolated incident,” Vance wrote on X. “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.”

“Democrats wanted this to happen,” Greene posted on X. “They’ve wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen.”

She continued, calling out members of Congress who she wrote “cosponsored legislation to TERMINATE Trump’s Secret Service protection. Why would they want that? You know the reason.”

Written before it was confirmed that an audience member was killed, she continued, “Others may have been killed — innocent people that were there supporting President Trump and all they wanted was to Make America Great Again and they may have been murdered for it. Thank GOD Secret Service was there for Trump and everyone else at today’s rally.”<<<

>>>Republican Rep. Mike Collins of Georgia was also quick to attack Democrats in the wake of the shooting, writing that “Joe Biden sent the orders” in a tweet quoting a statement Biden made earlier in the week. At the time, as the president had looked to move past questions surrounding his age following a disastrous debate performance, he said, “I have one job, and that’s to beat Donald Trump. I’m absolutely certain I’m the best person to be able to do that. So, we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”

Collins followed up by writing, “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”

Conservative commentator Charlie Kirk pointed to trending topics on X to argue that Democrats wanted Trump to be killed, showing that the phrases “ONE JOB,” “HOW DO YOU MISS” and “THEY MISSED” were trending.<<<
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
I figured it would happen. A MAGA pointing to the media in the bleachers saying, You did this!
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Living in a peaceful, non-violent country......
I find this insanely shocking, here from BBC news

I just wonder how it is possible for someone to get inside the security perimeter with a rifle?
And there is a guy warning Police and Secret Service about shooter, and it seems Secret Service did not react to these warning until after shooting :rolleyes:

 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Now they're suggesting the secret service might have known someone was on a roof and allowed the rally to continue. A person said they were pointing to the guy climbing on the roof. A few hundred yards with a straight sight.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Now they're suggesting the secret service might have known someone was on a roof and allowed the rally to continue. A person said they were pointing to the guy climbing on the roof. A few hundred yards with a straight sight.
That guy is interviewed in the video I posted
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Field Marshall
The female SS agents looking completely lost, one couldn’t reholster her weapon. Another dropped her sunglasses and bent down to get them while covering Trump physically, a bunch 5’2” women who are supposed to physically shield a 6’3” man. This was a complete train wreck for the SS. There was also arguing and fighting for the last couple weeks to get Trump SS protection and continued requests for more SS agents that were denied by DHS.
 
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