Novice Question.

[lovinthehd]

Either way, I’m open to seeing other systems and learning from others.
We could both like or dislike our differing systems but I’m guessing he knows how to set up a proper subwoofer system.

Nah, he's not into subs much. He has some apparently decent transmission line speakers to help out with the low end. His musical taste is definitely not mine, and his gear wouldn't suit my purposes.

 

[TLS Guy]

Nah, he's not into subs much. He has some apparently decent transmission line speakers to help out with the low end. His musical taste is definitely not mine, and his gear wouldn't suit my purposes.

And you know that how?

The bass extension of the bass lines can compete with pretty much any sub around. Since the lengths of the line conform to the wavelengths being produced just like a pipe organ, the system does not need a lot of power to produce room shaking bass when called for.

FR of main speakers in room.

The reason commercial subs need so much power is that they are fighting, and in the main loosing, the battle with nature's laws. So the length of the bass line is half the wavelength of the lowest note to be reproduced. This is just like a stopped pipe on a pipe organ. The difference is these pipes are reverse tapered to broaden the frequency range of support. This was all worked out by Paul Voight around 90 years ago. Correct physics will perform as natures laws accurately predict. This is why there are often known as Voight pipes.

Those lines will best any sub I have ever heard.

 

[lovinthehd]

And you know that how?

The bass extension of the bass lines can compete with pretty much any sub around. Since the lengths of the line conform to the wavelengths being produced just like a pipe organ, the system does not need a lot of power to produce room shaking bass when called for.

FR of main speakers in room.

The reason commercial subs need so much power is that they are fighting, and in the main loosing, the battle with nature's laws. So the length of the bass line is half the wavelength of the lowest note to be reproduced. This is just like a stopped pipe on a pipe organ. The difference is these pipes are reverse tapered to broaden the frequency range of support. This was all worked out by Paul Voight around 90 years ago. Correct physics will perform as natures laws accurately predict. This is why there are often known as Voight pipes.

Those lines will best any sub I have ever heard.

90dB isn't particularly impressive to start.

 

[TLS Guy]

90dB isn't particularly impressive to start.

Measuring the FR is not a power test! I have never run any part of this system out of "gas". I have never heard any section audible distort even when playing loud.

 

[lovinthehd]

Measuring the FR is not a power test! I have never run any part of this system out of "gas". I have never heard any section audible distort even when playing loud.

What is loud for you, tho? Let's see a test at 110db.

 

[TLS Guy]

What is loud for you, tho? Let's see a test at 110db.

That is not the way measurement systems work. But Squishman will tell you that this system can get " ear bleeding loud" when he listens to his discs.

You can see that the measurement system maxes out at 95 db. After that it is off the scale. You obviously don't understand how you do loudspeaker measurements.

 

[lovinthehd]

That is not the way measurement systems work. But Squishman will tell you that this system can get " ear bleeding loud" when he listens to his discs.

You can see that the measurement system maxes out at 95 db. After that it is off the scale. You obviously don't understand how you do loudspeaker measurements.

I understand fine. I just doubt your system is up to it. Your musical tastes are so limited, it probably doesn't matter.

 

[Gio-G]

Sorry guys,

I missed these comments.

All I'm looking for is the easiest and least expensive way to integrate two subwoofers into my system and improve on what I already have.

If I can run my S7Ts full range with subs without detracting at all from the current sound while adding some deeper bass, I'll be very happy.

If it is going to be a hassle I'll pass.

Perlisten and Arendal both seem to think I can do that using their software and apps.

Arendal 1723 S 1 subs are priced attractively and have good reviews and measurements.

If a MiniDSP is a must, I'll consider one as they seem affordable to an extent.

I don't know how to use one nor do I know how to take measurements or how to read measurements.

 

[ski2xblack]

Pay no attention to the last few posts, they aren't relevant to your questions.

The answers you arrived at before haven't changed. Yes, you can run your Perlistens full range. No, you don't need any other gear to add subs. Yes, it's a slight hassle to dial it in, but your rig is awesome so you don't want to do it haphazardly. We can help you tackle that. Heck, the good doc may even make a house call!

I took a look at Jame's review of the Arendal subs you're considering, and didn't realize how fully featured they are. While not exactly inexpensive, they have features that lend themselves rather perfectly to an old school two channel rig like yours-they have *everything* you need to implement proper bass management. You don't need any other gear, just cables to connect your preamp to the subs, and another set of cables to run from the sub's line outs to your main amps feeding the Perlistens. No splitters required, no need to use the second set of preouts on your preamp, no need for miniDSP.

The Arendals provide full control of crossover parameters and even have PEQ. Want to run your Perlistens full range? You can do that. Want to replicate what Audyssey does with full bass management? You can do that too. Want to employ a low freq hpf to act as a protective "rumble filter" for the Perlistens, letting them run as deep as they inherently go but with a margin of safety from your teenage kids cranking it to 11? You can do that too.