New Multi-EQX app for Windows

[Pandaman617]

Mains are Revel Performa F50’s powered by a Parasound 2125. This was measured with the reference curve. Here’s the flat curve

 

[PENG]

I noticed you can adjust the filters and target for both flat and reference. There seems to be a massive amount of possibilities here and it’s exponentially more user friendly than Rat Buddy. Although that program was very useful I’ve never been one to run full range Audyssey but we’ll see how things go over the next couple days

It looks like it calculates the "Q" values for you on the PEQ screen, is that correct? So you just key in the cut/boost values?

 

[Pandaman617]

It looks like it calculates the "Q" values for you on the PEQ screen, is that correct? So you just key in the cut/boost values?

Correct you choose the type of filter and enter it here

 

[PENG]

Correct you choose the type of filter and enter it hereView attachment 52509

Thank you, that's nice. Rat doesn't have that but then it is just a data entry tool, i.e. typing data in vs drawing with a touch pen. So the App probably also use PEQ and select "Q" based as well as which types of PEQ filters it sees fit, or use a different way other than PEQ. Once you have the final curve it would great if you could compare the one with the best the App+Rat could do. For me, App+Rat got me +/- 1 dB from 16 to 125 Hz, 1/12 smoothing, but that's a few hours work.

If I had the latest AVR I would buy the X for sure, because the license is not transferable.

 

[Pandaman617]

Thank you, that's nice. Rat doesn't have that but then it is just a data entry tool, i.e. typing data in vs drawing with a touch pen. So the App probably also use PEQ and select "Q" based as well as which types of PEQ filters it sees fit, or use a different way other than PEQ. Once you have the final curve it would great if you could compare the one with the best the App+Rat could do. For me, App+Rat got me +/- 1 dB from 16 to 125 Hz, 1/12 smoothing, but that's a few hours work.

If I had the latest AVR I would buy the X for sure, because the license is not transferable.

I’ll post that for you this weekend Peng! I had similar results with RatBuddy as well. I threw MSO into the mix with it at one point and it helped a bit but since I only have two seating positions and a relativity small room I don’t believe it was as advantageous in my specific setup as it would be in say a similar sized room with 3-5 listening positions.

 

[Pandaman617]

For reference my speakers are:
Mains - Revel Performa F50
Center channel - Mirage HDT-F
Surrounds - Mirage HDT-F
Front height - M&K LCR750 MKII THX
Rear height - Atlantic Technology 271 LCR THX
Top surround - Atlantic Technology 271 LCR THX
Subs - MiniDSP 2x4HD to Mirage BPS-400 (dual 12” sealed) Atlantic Technology 372 15” THX sealed & a pair of Atlantic Technology 272 12” THX sealed.
Amps - Parasound 2125 bridged mode x3 for LCR.
Parasound HCA-1000 x 2 for front & rear height speakers

 

[PENG]

I’ll post that for you this weekend Peng! I had similar results with RatBuddy as well. I threw MSO into the mix with it at one point and it helped a bit but since I only have two seating positions and a relativity small room I don’t believe it was as advantageous in my specific setup as it would be in say a similar sized room with 3-5 listening positions.

Thank you very much for doing that, I am just being too curious to know, not that I want to improve the results on paper/screen. So please take your time, and finish what you need to do first for sure. Then sit back and enjoy the better sound quality, at least the bass, hopefully.

 

[VoidX]

Void if you can fabricate a way to do so individually

Done. I've made multiple methods, first the fully manual way:

• Have a MultEQ-X configuration file ready. However you have it set up, the custom EQ will be added on top of what you have in that file.
• Get Equalizer APO from this page, this will be the editor. You don't need to restart your PC or apply EQ APO on any of your speakers.
• Create your custom config file, use the channel selection and peaking EQ, low/highpass, or low/high shelf filters, these are the ones currently supported in my software. All of these are 2nd order (or BW). Save this file anywhere you want.
• Get EQ APO to FIR from this page. I've made it open source if someone wouldn't trust me.
• Unpack and launch EQ APO to FIR, and open the config file you have created.
• Select MultEQ-X as the output format. In this case, all the other options are completely irrelevant.
  • PEQ only: this will move all the parametric filters you have created to MultEQ, but graphic EQ won't work.
  • Full approximation: everything you have drawn will be applied, graphic EQ, even unsupported parametric filters and gains (however, that's overridden by MultEQ-X). This is a very slow (1-2 minute) process, and will generate 10 PEQ filters per channel trying to approximate your curve.
• Click Export, and open the MultEQ-X configuration file you want to update. The generation process will start after you open that file, and when it's finished (instantly for PEQ only and in minutes for full approximation), a save dialog will appear. You can overwrite the old config or save it as another name.

The mostly automatic method is this software. Works the same way for MQX export.

 

[Pandaman617]

Done. I've made multiple methods, first the fully manual way:

• Have a MultEQ-X configuration file ready. However you have it set up, the custom EQ will be added on top of what you have in that file.
• Get Equalizer APO from this page, this will be the editor. You don't need to restart your PC or apply EQ APO on any of your speakers.
• Create your custom config file, use the channel selection and peaking EQ, low/highpass, or low/high shelf filters, these are the ones currently supported in my software. All of these are 2nd order (or BW). Save this file anywhere you want.
• Get EQ APO to FIR from this page. I've made it open source if someone wouldn't trust me.
• Unpack and launch EQ APO to FIR, and open the config file you have created.
• Select MultEQ-X as the output format. In this case, all the other options are completely irrelevant.
  • PEQ only: this will move all the parametric filters you have created to MultEQ, but graphic EQ won't work.
  • Full approximation: everything you have drawn will be applied, graphic EQ, even unsupported parametric filters and gains (however, that's overridden by MultEQ-X). This is a very slow (1-2 minute) process, and will generate 10 PEQ filters per channel trying to approximate your curve.
• Click Export, and open the MultEQ-X configuration file you want to update. The generation process will start after you open that file, and when it's finished (instantly for PEQ only and in minutes for full approximation), a save dialog will appear. You can overwrite the old config or save it as another name.

The mostly automatic method is this software. Works the same way for MQX export.

Thanks so much man!

 

[Pandaman617]

Sorry guys this weekend was crazy for me I completely forgot it was Christmas. I’ve been running full range correction for about a week now and today and switching to 300hz limited. I recently upgraded to an HDMI 2.1 tv to use with my Series X and my x4300h is only 2.0. So I have ordered a sHARC eARC box that should be here this week. Needless to say running lossy Dolby Digital to the Auromatic, DSU and DTS:X upconverters has by no means sounded any worse than the app and in my subjective opinion it does sound a bit better. Today I’m going to load both a MultiEQ Editor app calibration as well as an EQ-X calibration both limited to 300hz as well as full range and take measurements which I’ll post by tonight or tomorrow afternoon. The MultiEQ app calibration will be assisted by RatBuddy and the MultiEQ X will be solely the results of the program running on my MacBook

 

[Hetfield]

Joe N tell did a great video with one of the people from Audyssey that worked on this. Sounds great, but not for me. It's for people who really want to dive down in the weeds and get every inch of performance out of their HT. It sounds like a lot of work also to get there. I'm good with the Audyssey app. That's about my limit of patience, understanding and caring too to get the "best" sound out my HT.

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[Pandaman617]

Joe N tell did a great video with one of the people from Audyssey that worked on this. Sounds great, but not for me. It's for people who really want to dive down in the weeds and get every inch of performance out of their HT. It sounds like a lot of work also to get there. I'm good with the Audyssey app. That's about my limit of patience, understanding and caring too to get the "best" sound out my HT.

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I would agree that a large amount of the user base would agree with you. The only advantages I’ve seen with it are the ability to add your own filters.

 

[Trell]

The MultiEQ app calibration will be assisted by RatBuddy and the MultiEQ X will be solely the results of the program running on my MacBook

Are you running Windows on your MacBook? I thought the MultiEQ X is Windows only.

 

[Hetfield]

I would agree that a large amount of the user base would agree with you. The only advantages I’ve seen with it are the ability to add your own filters.

Whew right over my head. 99% I think will have no use for this. It's very cool, I'm not crapping on it. Definitely not for me. Honestly when I got the Audyssey XT32 app I didn't think I was gonna even get any use out of that. That is my limit though.
For those with patience and enough understanding to use this I'm sure it's gonna be great though.

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[Pandaman617]

Are you running Windows on your MacBook? I thought the MultiEQ X is Windows only.

Yes I’m running Windows 11 via Bootcamp on my MacBook

 

[PENG]

The only advantages I’ve seen with it are the ability to add your own filters.

I would think that the MultEQ X has a lot more advantages than that, except the "add your own filters" part because the Mult EQ App also let you add your own filters, only that it is done by drawing the curve in a stupid or clumsy way. With Rat you then of course you just type in the data and the App do do the filters based on the data entered. The part I am not clear about the new filters is whether the App would also use PEQ filters, or simply use the data to alter the calculations when creating the new set of FIR filters. MultEQ X of course use PEQ as sort of an interface, that is more than obvious that it would get converted to FIR. I started a conversation with AskAudyssey before and may be able to get an answer from my contact if he is still doing what he was doing, that was a few months ago.

Edit: Watched the webinar video again to pick up what I might have missed, and they actually did confirm (and I missed) the part that I was wondering about the PEQ thing. So it is actually just a way to communicate what you want, but in the end it would be converted to Audyssey MultEQ FIR.

 

[Pandaman617]

I would think that the MultEQ X has a lot more advantages than that, except the "add your own filters" part because the Mult EQ App also let you add your own filters, only that it is done by drawing the curve in a stupid or clumsy way. With Rat you then of course you just type in the data and the App do do the filters based on the data entered. The part I am not clear about the new filters is whether the App would also use PEQ filters, or simply use the data to alter the calculations when creating the new set of FIR filters. MultEQ X of course use PEQ, that is more than obvious. I started a conversation with AskAudyssey before and may be able to get an answer from my contact if he is still doing what he was doing, that was a few months ago.

If you could reach out that would be great PENG. I’m taking a few measurements now and will do more over the next few days and than post them comparing the two side by side.

 

[PENG]

If you could reach out that would be great PENG. I’m taking a few measurements now and will do more over the next few days and than post them comparing the two side by side.

Thanks again, please take you time, its holiday season.

 

[PENG]

If you could reach out that would be great PENG. I’m taking a few measurements now and will do more over the next few days and than post them comparing the two side by side.

I don't have to any more as I have the answer now. It was right in the webinar but I was multi-tasking so I missed the important couple of minutes when they confirmed PEQ was just used to communicate what you want, but it will get converted to Audyssey MultEQ FIR filters.

That is good news for me because I have had read enough to know that FIR is overall better than IIR filters, and PEQ is IIR so it is good to know it is being used (cleverly, I would say..) sort of as an interface only.

Explore the new Audyssey MultEQ-X and learn how it can be used to optimize a Denon/Marantz receiver - YouTube

You may want to start at about 48 minute (on the PEQ part) and at 58 minute (on the MRC thing). What Jeff said about the MRC is interesting, lot of people seem to understand what MRC is but misunderstood the true meaning of the Enable/Disable feature.

 

[Pandaman617]

Green trace is Reference limited to 500hz via the EQ-X
Blue trace is no Audyssey
Orange trace is flat also limited to 500hz