Minneapolis Annunciation School Mass Shooting

[TLS Guy]

We were a lot closer to this awful tragedy than I thought.

We had a birthday party here for one of our grandchildren last evening. Her younger sister age 11 is friends with one of the victims. We also know her as they are on basketball team together and we have seen her at matches.

She was a brave girl laying on, and protecting, a younger student, which seems common among the injured children. Children can be amazingly brave. She was admitted to hospital for a while, as she has some shrapnell imbedded in her skull, which surgeons say is too risky to remove. She has two bullet scars on her face and apparently another on her neck, not seen in the photograph.

The shooter was a trans male identifying as female. Of course the BBC and this equally woke newspaper refer to the shooter as she, which is an insult to women. Our TV reporters I am glad to say are referring to the shooter as he.

This whole episode is a disgrace, and one of three mass shootings in this metro in the last five days, the others not so serious.

Americans can not handle guns, and there needs to be a total ban.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Americans can not handle guns, and there needs to be a total ban.

Agree but not many listens. All scared of being primaried out of office. Bunch of cowards.
Constitution has nothing in there about regulating guns, just owning a gun. Of course, originalists distort the intent. Since it was written in the 1770 or so, musket is what should be allowed, period, nothing more. That is originalist.

 

[lovinthehd]

Agree but not many listens. All scared of being primaried out of office. Bunch of cowards.
Constitution has nothing in there about regulating guns, just owning a gun. Of course, originalists distort the intent. Since it was written in the 1770 or so, musket is what should be allowed, period, nothing more. That is originalist.

Let alone that the 2nd amendment was more intended to prevent movements like a militarized maga

 

[DrMorbius]

Can’t we have a simple law to deny guns to Charles Manson types? Just common sense.

 

[highfigh]

We were a lot closer to this awful tragedy than I thought.

We had a birthday party here for one of our grandchildren last evening. Her younger sister age 11 is friends with one of the victims. We also know her as they are on basketball team together and we have seen her at matches.

She was a brave girl laying on, and protecting, a younger student, which seems common among the injured children. Children can be amazingly brave. She was admitted to hospital for a while, as she has some shrapnell imbedded in her skull, which surgeons say is too risky to remove. She has two bullet scars on her face and apparently another on her neck, not seen in the photograph.

The shooter was a trans male identifying as female. Of course the BBC and this equally woke newspaper refer to the shooter as she, which is an insult to women. Our TV reporters I am glad to say are referring to the shooter as he.

This whole episode is a disgrace, and one of three mass shootings in this metro in the last five days, the others not so serious.

Americans can not handle guns, and there needs to be a total ban.

Any additional info about the shooter's mom, who has been missing for a few days?

 

[TLS Guy]

Any additional info about the shooter's mom, who has been missing for a few days?

It is murky. Apparently the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension have spoken to the mother, but MPD have not. The mother has hired a criminal lawyer who has basically told her to keep her mouth shut. The Shooter's father is is divorced from the shooter's mother and Robert/Robin, the shooter had been living with his father and stepmother close to Ascension Church.

After the shooting police raided the father's home, but he was not detrained and there is no further information released.

One up date about one of the boys in the church, who is quite young, and gave the most coherent description of events has now been found to have been injured. So the number of injured has increase by one.

This boy stated that on older bigger boy laid on top of him in the shooting to protect him. He is one of the more severely injured.

It turns out that the boy who gave the interview has been found to have a piece of shrapnel in his neck against one of his carotid arteries. Surgeons have advised relatively prompt surgery to remove the piece of shrapnel. I think surgery was planned for today. That is all the information I have.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

"Not a fan of the church myself."

So what. Leave people alone. Let them try to heal.

 

[TLS Guy]

CLEAN UP

You really do believe in that famous maxim: - "When you are in a hole keep digging!" Your comments are vile and totally unacceptable, especially this last cynical comment.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

"Sending thoughts and prayers."

Your sarcasm makes you look even worse.

 

[jinjuku]

Please request members be barred from posting in you thread OP and it will be so.

 

[TLS Guy]

Please request members be barred from posting in you thread OP and it will be so.

Thank you and everyone for your support. I will ban him from my posts if he has anymore infractions involving gross, crass discourtesy. Hopefully he will have some introspection and curb this behaviour. This whole horrendous event, has been upsetting and unsettling to the whole metro and beyond. To have the responses exhibited by lovinthehd is not only upsetting but disturbing. In other respects he has been valuable member and given good advice to many. However this sort of abuse he can turn out is very unhelpful, especially to him and his reputation.

 

[jinjuku]

Thank you and everyone for your support. I will ban him from my posts if he has anymore infractions involving gross, crass discourtesy. Hopefully he will have some introspection and curb this behaviour. This whole horrendous event, has been upsetting and unsettling to the whole metro and beyond. To have the responses exhibited by lovinthehd is not only upsetting but disturbing. In other respects he has been valuable member and given good advice to many. However this sort of abuse he can turn out is very unhelpful, especially to him and his reputation.

My only issue is that that comment, IMO, was splashing into a thread admonishing you and others as some form of 2A absolutist.

There is an interesting mindset of a certain liberal crowd that exhibit no ability to see gradation in peoples views on a myriad of issues and then boil it all down to a binary.

Not realizing when doing that you alienate your actual allies. It's a mind bender for sure to see it in action here.

BTW it's way past time to radically revamp gun ownership and culture in the U.S.

 

[Dude#1279435]

My only issue is that that comment, IMO, was splashing into a thread admonishing you and others as some form of 2A absolutist.

There is an interesting mindset of a certain liberal crowd that exhibit no ability to see gradation in peoples views on a myriad of issues and then boil it all down to a binary.

Not realizing when doing that you alienate your actual allies. It's a mind bender for sure to see it in action here.

Not sure I entirely agree. When certain individual positions lean a certain way through examples over time, I think I can deduce they're more likely on a given side. Saying one is alienating them when I'm not sure they're allies to begin with.

 

[jinjuku]

Not sure I entirely agree. When certain individual positions lean a certain way through examples over time, I think I can deduce they're more likely on a given side. Saying one is alienating them when I'm not sure they're allies to begin with.

TLS Guy clearly put his position on gun ownership up front and center. To come in and splash the thread with 'thoughts and prayers' snark is counter productive.

I agree with his position on the matter.

 

[highfigh]

Agree but not many listens. All scared of being primaried out of office. Bunch of cowards.
Constitution has nothing in there about regulating guns, just owning a gun. Of course, originalists distort the intent. Since it was written in the 1770 or so, musket is what should be allowed, period, nothing more. That is originalist.

The framers wanted the people to be able to defend themselves against any enemy and muskets alone would never do that, they needed cannon as well. They weren't specific and firearms had changed during their lifetime, and they were smart enough to not state a specific weapon. I seriousl;y doubt they could have imagined most of the weapons that exist now, but they also wouldn't have imagined that people would go off the rails and commit so many absolutely stupid and inhuman acts. Mental illness existed, but the population of the continent and specifically, the colonies, was nowhere near what we have now- the population number would have been mind-boggling.

Politicians are too obedient to the parties but they have generally lost their way, from representing the populace. Term limits should have been enacted long ago- I really think a lot of this BS would have been prevented by electing new candidates much sooner. There is or voters no reason to keep anyone in office for 40 years or more, regardless of party.

The stigma of mental health needs to change- that one issue/problem is the reason for all of the carnage and part of the reason people are allowed to buy firearms is that they lie on the application. However, it turns out that HIPAA has been modified slightly, to allow mental health 'prohibitors' to be used to prevent purchases. It doesn't seem to be working, though.

HIPAA Modified in Tandem with Executive Action on Gun Control: Much Ado About Narrow Permissive Reporting Requirements

www.ebglaw.com

I'm not sure what can be done about stupid people, though. Last night, I heard about three shots that sounded like a rifle and around ten seconds later, I heard 7 shots, from a large caliber hand gun. The sound made it easy to tell that they weren't far from my house and unfortunately, it's not uncommon, nor are the typical locations a secret- in Milwaukee but just oustide of the city where I live. Fortunately, this was late at night.

The gung ho gun culture is hard to understand, to some degree but some use their arsenal to show their manhood deficiencies.

 

[ski2xblack]

The stigma of mental health needs to change...

Therin lies a big part of the issue. The normalization of mental heath problems into "identities" that are culturally supported and encouraged contributed to this whack jobs slide into homicidal nihilism. Everyone from his mother to his school to the media to the government all affirmed this kid as something he could never be, while underlying psych problems were unaddressed or swept under the rug of a trans identity. Even the killer himself was coming to the realization that it was all horseshit. He never got the help he really needed, help that might have prevented this tragedy.

 

[highfigh]

Therin lies a big part of the issue. The normalization of mental heath problems into "identities" that are culturally supported and encouraged contributed to this whack jobs slide into homicidal nihilism. Everyone from his mother to his school to the media to the government all affirmed this kid as something he could never be, while underlying psych problems were unaddressed or swept under the rug of a trans identity. Even the killer himself was coming to the realization that it was all horseshit. He never got the help he really needed, help that might have prevented this tragedy.

I don't think it has been normalized, I think it has been largely avoided as something for people and government to deal with. Sure, programs exist, but many with mental illnesses don't seek help, the people around them don't see or hear the warning signs and not enough do anything when they DO see & haer them. Some are obvious- they might walk down the middle of a street pushing a shopping cart and yelling, some mumble as they walk or run and attack someone but the ones who "seem like a nice, normal person" are the ones who slip through the cracks. Some in this area actually call 911 when they're having suicidal thoughts or to ask for help but I also hear plenty of calls on a scanner app about people who have threatened to shoot up someone or someplace.

 

[GO-NAD!]

An interesting piece on this tragedy.

Guns at Annunciation

I was baptized at the church where kids were murdered. It's a canary in the coal mine for a dystopian America, where people blame everything but the real cause: a country awash with unlimited guns.

open.substack.com

 

[GO-NAD!]

There is an interesting mindset of a certain liberal crowd that exhibit no ability to see gradation in peoples views on a myriad of issues and then boil it all down to a binary.

Not realizing when doing that you alienate your actual allies. It's a mind bender for sure to see it in action here.

I can only assume that you are referring to liberals in the American context. Pretty much everywhere else in the world, liberals hug the centre of the political/social spectrum - leaning left or right, or straddling the fence. Far from viewing issues in binary terms, they (I would describe myself as a fence straddler) are often accused of hypocrisy precisely because they see the world in infinite shades of grey.

That's not to say liberals don't believe in hard facts. It's just that hard facts and objective truth is - for the most part, at least - confined to the hard sciences. Ironically, this is where the script gets flipped by the avowed left- and right- wingers. They are the ones who tend to question objective truth and scientific facts, while forming hidebound opinions on political and social issues.

BTW it's way past time to radically revamp gun ownership and culture in the U.S.

I'm sure you will agree that this highly unlikely in the foreseeable future.

 

[ski2xblack]

I don't think it has been normalized

Really? While the genderwoo is thankfully entering Emperors New Clothes territory, you bet your ass it's been normalized.

The kids own mother was reluctant to affirm his trans identity, but did so under threats of being labeled a bigot or transphobe from literally everyone around her. This lunacy has indeed been normalized, to the detriment of a generation of kids whose comorbidities are ignored thanks to the rush to affirmation.

It's a grave mistake to affirm delusions. We don't have discussions with the imaginary friends of schizophrenics or tell anorexics that they're overweight and need ozempic and gastric banding. But if a kid claims a trans identity they are unquestioningly affirmed and told a victimhood narrative of being genocided. It's a pretty direct line from "Protect the Dolls" to "Arm the Dolls" to a doll shooting their percieved enemies as happened here (and elsewhere lately). This situation is the hard left analog to Timothy McVeigh. Get steeped in crazy, do crazy poop.

As they are deadly tools, we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.