Minneapolis Annunciation School Mass Shooting

[Dude#1279435]

It is a national problem! Look at the data.

Eh eh. You're the one making the claim. Therefore you have to provide the data. That's how it works.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Another thing is if the data is accurate above, that's a 1000%(!) difference between trans and not trans shootings. There's no correlation. Also the shirt above say Protect Trans Kids. That's a good thing LOL. Ah yanno protect them from bullying and cruelty I assume. It doesn't say anything about growing the trans population. It's ridiculous.

Now if you want to talk about how you're morally against LGBTQ than that's a thread you could create. I'm sure some interesting stuff could be said on that.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Also regarding trans I already know what you really believe. No you don't believe in freedom of expression because the trans shirt bothers you. It's but another example of saying the quiet part out loud because woops I just said I want all trans language banned. In a way good for you, but you're being called out on it so I tend to think that's what bothers you since you want it both ways. After spending nine days working at the state fair and probably around a million people, I'm not sure I saw one person that looked distinctly trans. Hence why I think the trans shooting rate is so low because the trans population is already miniscule.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Um, yeah! It's the Democraric Party in the US. They want to impose GI as the official state religion, like they have in Minnesota where this unthinkable tragedy took place. And if you'll recall, their adherence to it was exploited in the election; the so called "Blue Wall" swing states were blitzed by "Kamala is for they/them" ads and were subsequently swept, sealing their loss. (To a tyrant clown in orange makeup ffs. Really? Unfknbelievable.) Trans is an ideology, and an electoral loser of one.

Really? That's your response? So, Democratic party policies all revolve around satisfying the transgender agenda? If I said the GOP was the fascist party it would be more credible.

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That thing that never happens happened again at Annunciation Church. [Move goalpost...] oh, it rarely happens, compared to rightwing dudebro douchebag incels, so no big deal, right?

Look, I don't want someone who is all coked up on right wing conspiracies, or bent on bringing about Judgment Day to meet Jesus, to be armed any more than I want a nihilistic loser baby who believes he's literally the opposite sex to be armed. That's just too delusional to have guns.

I don't think I ever said that it never happens, so nice straw man. You say you don't want people who are a different kind of crazy to have guns either. Yet, you save your long-winded diatribes for a demographic that are amongst the least likely to carry out such acts. You seem a bit obsessed.

Great. I support freedom of expression as well. Everyone should be able to live free from persecution.

In a liberal society, with freedom of speech and expression, we also have this thing called the 'marketplace of ideas', and GI doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny in there. Gender identitarianism is a quasi religious, unfalsifiable metaphysical belief system; secularized gnostic gender/body dualism, that reeks of late stage capitalism luxury belief. It demands denial of reality, sex in particular, and posits "gender identies" that are real. It's It's unmoored from empirical reality. "Magical thinking" in clinical terms.

Denial of reality is not a solid epistemic hook to hang your intellectual hat from. Adoption of a trans identity did not make the killer more resiliant, more healthy, or less antisocial. It made him weaker, broken, vulnerable to and more prone to violently losing his marbles. His journal entries are haunting. He shows why we don't affirm delusions. He used his as justification to commit unspeakable horror.

Nice word salad. Look, I don't know what drives gender dysphoria*, but it's abundantly clear that you don't either. At least I admit it.

Remember when homosexuals were considered to be mentally ill sexual deviants, including by the medical establishment? I don't know if, in the fullness of time, transgender people will become accepted in the same way. Or, maybe it will turn out to revolve around mental illness. But, the jury is still out on that.

*Probably multiple causes.

 

[highfigh]

My reference to Chicago was not to downplay crime - especially homocide - in that city. If we saw that level of crime in my area, we'd wonder if the apocalypse was upon us. What I'm saying - AGAIN - is that Trump's insistence on sending troops there has nothing to do with crime.

Chicago sees its fewest summer murders since 1965, even as Trump cites high crime

The Chicago Police Department’s criminal homicide tally for June, July and August is the lowest in 60 years. And overall violent crime remains near its lowest point in more than four decades.

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OK, so what has been the result of troops going into DC? Have you read/heard the comments from the Mayor in that city? Crime is down. It will return as soon as they leave, but it proves a point- even the Guardian Angels made an impact when they started.

If crime decreases when criminals know more witnesses are in the area, it would seem that they don't know about surveillance cameras.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Will be deported soon due to showing inconvenient truths.

Eek. Need a better hiding place.

 

[GO-NAD!]

OK, so what has been the result of troops going into DC? Have you read/heard the comments from the Mayor in that city? Crime is down. It will return as soon as they leave, but it proves a point- even the Guardian Angels made an impact when they started.

If crime decreases when criminals know more witnesses are in the area, it would seem that they don't know about surveillance cameras.

OK, if it's having a positive effect, maybe the governors of red states with higher crime rates should put the troops out in their own streets, instead of sending them to DC. Why isn't Trump doing it?

The purpose is to press their thumbs down on blue cities and states. Any crime prevented is merely incidental.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/22/politics/gop-governors-troops-dc-10-cities-crime-rates

I'll ask you this question. What would have happened if Biden had ordered troops into the streets of those red states and blue state governors sent their own NG to assist?

I mean, their fever dreams go wild over simple military exercises.

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[mtrycrafts]

OK, so what has been the result of troops going into DC? ...

A bunch of trash was picked up around monuments, on video.

 

[ski2xblack]

No you don't believe in freedom of expression because the trans shirt bothers you.

Way to miss the point. The person wearing the shirt is the Mn Lieutenant Governor. The message itself is nuts, but who is doing the messaging was the point.

Also the shirt above say Protect Trans Kids. That's a good thing LOL.

No, it's not. Reread my post that explains that GI is not neutral. This message assumes trans kids are a thing. What is a trans kid anyway? Care to give a crack at defining what a trans kid is? You seem so well versed in the dogma it should be easy for you.

It begs if you're not persecuting than why has this become such a big issue over "1" trans murderer?

Because that one murderer is relevant in the thread specifically about his heinous actions.

It's but another example of saying the quiet part out loud because woops I just said I want all trans language banned. In a way good for you, but you're being called out on it so I tend to think that's what bothers you since you want it both ways.

Um, what? I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist, and haven't suggested any banning of language. Pointing out falsehoods is criticism, not censorship. I think you're projecting.

Now if you want to talk about how you're morally against LGBTQ...

Nope, not morally against the LGB. I unequivically support both LGB and women's hard fought for rights, and do not support the blatant misogyny and homophobia of gender identitarianism or it's authoritarian methods. (Hint: LGB has nothing to do with the TQ+. Being same sex attracted is quite different from demands of "Accept me for what I am not or you're a bigot.")

 

[ski2xblack]

@GO-NAD! I think we might agree that both parties are nuts. As a GDI, I don't discriminate based on sectarian tribalism. They're all equally worthless.

I don't think that you and highfigh know what to make of a liberal critique of GI. You both seem to want to frame any criticism of it as right wing.

 

[ski2xblack]

Look, I don't know what drives gender dysphoria*, but it's abundantly clear that you don't either. At least I admit it.

Lying to kids that they may be "born in the wrong body" may play a role, you think?

For middle aged men, it's fetishism. Google up 'autogynophilia'. Also look up John Money.

For kids it's mostly social contagion, Goth on steroids (literally). Most have either histories of abuse, autism, or nascent same sex attraction. Some are merely uncomfortable with the travails of puberty. GI pathologizes puberty and normalises delusions about gender identities.

 

[GO-NAD!]

@GO-NAD! I think we might agree that both parties are nuts. As a GDI, I don't discriminate based on sectarian tribalism. They're equally worthless.

There are nutters in every political party. But, the GOP seems to have cornered the market in that regard.

GDI? Are you a Gasoline Direct Injection engine, or a Gender Development Index? Help me out here.

I don't think that you and highfigh know what to make of a liberal critique of GI. You both seem to want to frame any criticism of it as right wing.

I know you use a liberal amount of jargon in your critique. I realize that there are critics on the left - some LGB and women's rights groups, certainly. But, the vast majority of criticism is definitely emminates from the right.

Just to be clear, I'm not onside with everything that comes from gender activists' mouths. For instance, I am not supportive of male bodies of any gender identity in women's prisons. I also think the suggestion of dozens upon dozens of genders is a load of bollocks. And, subordinating women's and LGB rights to the rights of the gender diverse is wrong.

Generally speaking, I find that the loudest voices on any particular controversial issue are the most partisan and often the ones with the least credibility. And, when I read and hear very hardset opinions on an issue that is far from settled science, I view them with a healthy dose of skepticism.

I must also reiterate, if there are demographic groups in society who need to be disarmed, transgender people should be wayyyy down the list of priorities.

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[ski2xblack]

GDI?

GDI=God Damned Independent

 

[highfigh]

OK, if it's having a positive effect, maybe the governors of red states with higher crime rates should put the troops out in their own streets, instead of sending them to DC. Why isn't Trump doing it?

The purpose is to press their thumbs down on blue cities and states. Any crime prevented is merely incidental.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/22/politics/gop-governors-troops-dc-10-cities-crime-rates

I'll ask you this question. What would have happened if Biden had ordered troops into the streets of those red states and blue state governors sent their own NG to assist?

I mean, their fever dreams go wild over simple military exercises.

Jade Helm 15 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

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First step, IMO, sholuld be to determine the need for more law enforcement in ANY city. All of the "Defind The Police" BS should have had ZERO effect and the local governments where it happened should be recalled or at least voted out of office for making those places less safe and safety is one of their first jobs. It's easier to eliminate Police officers, harder to receive the funding for more when a political agenda is being pushed down peoples' throats.

If any city has severe crime problems, it should be handled locally. If the local PD and government refuse to do it, who should be making the decisions? I don't think anyone wants to live in an unsafe place and the kind of safety I'm referring to includes violent AND property crimes.

I just watched a press conference about the MKE street takeovers and the Mayor said he and the chief wanted to increase fines for those active in the takeovers AND spectators to $500, but the Common Council dragged their feet. That shows the lack of unity in city government- the Mayor and most, if not all of the council, are Democrats.

Are you under the troops sent to DC are regular Army?

Are you asking what I woud think if Biden had sent troops into MKE, or red cities? If you mean MKE, read the link- this is far from a Red city.

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[highfigh]

@GO-NAD! I think we might agree that both parties are nuts. As a GDI, I don't discriminate based on sectarian tribalism. They're equally worthless.

I don't think that you and highfigh know what to make of a liberal critique of GI. You both seem to want to frame any criticism of it as right wing.

Assuming you mean GI to mean 'gender identity', WTF are you on? When have I called liberal critique 'right wing'?

 

[highfigh]

A bunch of trash was picked up around monuments, on video.

That's because there was less to do WRT law enforcement.

If the local residents can't be bothered to pick up their own trash, why was that a bad thing?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Lying to kids that they may be "born in the wrong body" may play a role, you think?

When your starting position is that anyone saying that is automatically lying, there's no point in responding.

For middle aged men, it's fetishism. Google up 'autogynophilia'. Also look up John Money.

I know what an AGP is and I don't consider them to be truly Trans - even if they do. They are creepy as 'eff.

For kids it's mostly social contagion, Goth on steroids (literally). Most have either histories of abuse, autism, or nascent same sex attraction.

You forgot listening to heavy metal and playing records backwards.

"Most" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting here. I've heard about these "causes" many times, but nobody ever provides statistics indicating that they are common factors.

That said, there has certainly been some rethinking of policies pertaining to affirming trans identity. Some European countries have become more conservative with gender-affirming care and I see no problem with that. What they aren't doing is calling it all hogwash and an "ideology".

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A Teen Gender-Care Debate Is Spreading Across Europe

Doubts have now come to the Netherlands, where the most-contested interventions for children and adolescents were developed.

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[GO-NAD!]

GDI=God Damned Independent

At least you didn't say you were one of those delusional so-called libertarians.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Are you under the (the impression that) troops sent to DC are regular Army?

Nope.

Are you asking what I woud think if Biden had sent troops into MKE, or red cities? If you mean MKE, read the link- this is far from a Red city.

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I didn't specify any cities and I did not have MKE in mind.

 

[ski2xblack]

"Most" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting here

According to the largest studies on this from the NHS/GIDS in the UK, most of them are autistic or end up being gay when they get older.

At least you didn't say you were one of those delusional so-called libertarians.

Those are our crazy cousins that live in the boonies, a fringe element of classic enlightenment style liberalism. I respect their embrace of liberty, and am a bit of a civil libertarian myself, which is why I don't really care about the dudes in dresses. As long as they're not harming anyone, more power to them. Their ideas on economics and policy are idealistic and totally nuts though..