Midrange receiver + satellite system 5.1

[Gamblet]

Loo audioholics,

The last few weeks i have been searching for a receiver in combination with a 5.1 soundsysteem. Dont have much audio knowledge so i hope you can help me out with your opinions/ idees from what the best combination is.

Mine idee is to get a receiver (budget max €700,-) were i still have fun with after 5/10 years. For the satelite system 5.1 i wanna start with a beginners set (budget +/- €500).

Components beeing hooked on:
- Sony bravia 37w5500 (hdmi out)
- Dvd Player (hdmi in)
- X-box or PS3 (hdmi in)
- Media Player Agosi (hdmi in)
- 5.1 soundsystem
- Desktop (mayby in the future)

The receivers i have looked for are the following ones.
Onkyo TX-SR706B
Onkyo TX-SR606B
Onkyo TX-SR607B

Think i wanna keep it with Onkyo but i am open for any other idees. Mine preferation will go to the TX-SR706 but i'm not sure if really need all the futures. So mayby the Onkyo TX-SR606 is good enough for me. Also i'm wondering what you prefer the SR606 or SR607 if you have to choice between this 2?

Satelitesystem 5.1:
Canton Movie 150 QX
Harman Kardon HKTS 11
Harman Kardon HKTS 7
Pioneer S-V70-IV

I read good reviews about Canton but the brand say nothing to me. Harman Kardon seems to be pretty good although i red here that H&K should stay with making receivers and not speakers Pioneer is the most expensive from this list but seems to have good specications.

I'm aware that some probarly will say that this combination is the same as buying a superdaluxe speedboot with a 4 horsepower motor. But like i said before mayby in the future i will buy other speakers. I excpect that the sound quality from these 5.1 systeems is good enough for me to watch movies in surround and listen to music. Looking forwards for your opinions !!

Cheers Gamblet

 

[Lordoftherings]

Hi Gamblet,

If you can find an Onkyo TX-SR705, that will be your best bet. Check for refurbs in your area. If not, the 706 will do, it is much better than the 607 or 606, it has preouts for all channels and is THX Select2.

So, for receiver: #1 = Onkyo TX-SR705 and #2 = Onkyo TX-SR706.

As for the speakers, I will go with the Cantons, period!

You might want to look also at the Marantz SR6003 A/V receiver. It has an even more refined sound than the Onkyos, and it has a lot of power too.

So now, the Marantz SR6003 will take the #1 spot. And then the Onkyos, the 705 follow by the 706.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[Gamblet]

Hi Gamblet,

If you can find an Onkyo TX-SR705, that will be your best bet. Check for refurbs in your area. If not, the 706 will do, it is much better than the 607 or 606, it has preouts for all channels and is THX Select2.

So, for receiver: #1 = Onkyo TX-SR705 and #2 = Onkyo TX-SR706.

As for the speakers, I will go with the Cantons, period!

You might want to look also at the Marantz SR6003 A/V receiver. It has an even more refined sound than the Onkyos, and it has a lot of power too.

So now, the Marantz SR6003 will take the #1 spot. And then the Onkyos, the 705 follow by the 706.

Cheers,

Bob

Much obliged for your quick reply. It pleases me to that you are so clear about the Canton set, heard lots of good about it although the design isnt very special the sound must be pretty good.

I have looked for the Marantz SR6003 but that receiver is to expensive (like 2/3 more). The TX-SR 705 is a lil bit harder to find but i saw a internetshop who sell it. The SR705 is also €130,- cheaper then the SR706.

For me it isnt clear why the Onkyo TX-SR705 is better then the Onkyo TX-SR706. If i red well the Onkyo TX-SR705 doesnt have Lipsync, got 1 hdmi less and got less decode specs. The SR705 is 2007 model and the SR706 is a 2008 model. So i'm wondering why i should go for the TX-SR705 instead of TX-SR706.

 

[Gamblet]

Any one else with sugestions?

Onkyo TX-SR705 VS Onkyo TX-SR706.

and

Canton Movie 150 QX vs Harman Kardon HKTS 11

Really appreciatie your opinions cause wanna buy it by the end of the weekend

 

[Gamblet]

Its seems that the SR705 dont have lip sync can that be a problem when the video isnt synchrome with audio?


It does has A/V Synchronization Function, can some1 explain to me what the difference is?

 

[lsiberian]

Any one else with sugestions?

Onkyo TX-SR705 VS Onkyo TX-SR706.

and

Canton Movie 150 QX vs Harman Kardon HKTS 11

Really appreciatie your opinions cause wanna buy it by the end of the weekend

The 705 is a better receiver hands down. It's probably the best deal you can find on a MID-FI receivers with useful features and stable amp sections

As far as speakers go. You need to really listen to speakers before you buy them. But it's hard to find places to demo the good Satellites. Of which there are few.

Satellites are fine for surrounds but not good for the mains. I must urge you consider some real fronts.

But if you insist on a satellite system. Look at KEF and Mirage. I personally use KEF 2001.2s for my surrounds and they do a nice job. Very accurate great soundstage for what they are.

KEF is a european company so you can probably find good deals. I've never heard Cantons so I can't comment on them. HK should stick to making receivers though.

 

[Gamblet]

The 705 is a better receiver hands down. It's probably the best deal you can find on a MID-FI receivers with useful features and stable amp sections

As far as speakers go. You need to really listen to speakers before you buy them. But it's hard to find places to demo the good Satellites. Of which there are few.

Satellites are fine for surrounds but not good for the mains. I must urge you consider some real fronts.

But if you insist on a satellite system. Look at KEF and Mirage. I personally use KEF 2001.2s for my surrounds and they do a nice job. Very accurate great soundstage for what they are.

KEF is a european company so you can probably find good deals. I've never heard Cantons so I can't comment on them. HK should stick to making receivers though.

Thanks allot for your reply. So far the receiver goes i'm convinced to buy the SR-705 good reviews and it is allot cheaper then the SR-706.

For so far the speakers i still have doubts. I havent seen a shop were i could listen to the Canton 150 QX so i'm afraid i have to buy it based on other people there experience.

I understand that a combination with real fronts are better. But gonna use it now mainly for watching movies. When i buy a 5.1 satelite systeem its also possible to buy later on 2 front main speakers and combinate them right?

Just looked at the KEF but i only can find the Kef KHT 1005.2 and Kef KHT 2005.2 those are 2/3 more expensive and i'm not convinced that they are better then the Canton 150 QX.

 

[Gamblet]

I almost bought that sr-705 but luckely i found out just on time that the website was a swindle They were pretty cheap €549,- $ 742,- so i though that was good value for money... turns out that the SR-705 isnt available in the Netherlands... So that will leave me with the following types:

The prices in europe:
Onkyo SR-706 cost €690 that is $933
Onkyo SR-607 cost €470 that is $635
Onkyo SR-606 cost €499 that is $675

As you can see above there is a pretty big price difference between the SR-706 and the SR-606/607. I'm beginning to doubt that the SR-706 isnt really necessary and purhabs abit of a overkill for the soundsystem i wanna buy. The SR-606/607 also has allot of power only thing is that the upscalling is not that good. But i undertand that you can get the receiver on trough modus so mine tv can upscale the signal.

So what do you think?? What is better the SR-606 or SR-607 or do you say safe yourself alot of trouble and pay $258 more for the SR-706!!

 

[Lordoftherings]

I almost bought that sr-705 but luckely i found out just on time that the website was a swindle They were pretty cheap €549,- $ 742,- so i though that was good value for money... turns out that the SR-705 isnt available in the Netherlands... So that will leave me with the following types:

The prices in europe:
Onkyo SR-706 cost €690 that is $933
Onkyo SR-607 cost €470 that is $635
Onkyo SR-606 cost €499 that is $675

As you can see above there is a pretty big price difference between the SR-706 and the SR-606/607. I'm beginning to doubt that the SR-706 isnt really necessary and purhabs abit of a overkill for the soundsystem i wanna buy. The SR-606/607 also has allot of power only thing is that the upscalling is not that good. But i undertand that you can get the receiver on trough modus so mine tv can upscale the signal.

So what do you think?? What is better the SR-606 or SR-607 or do you say safe yourself alot of trouble and pay $258 more for the SR-706!!

OK, Get the Onkyo SR-607, this is fine. You got 6 HDMI inputs with that one, that should be good for 10 years. And you get Dolby Pro Logic IIz too.

And as for the speakers, the best thing is to bring the music you like and listen to them at least at the store to give you an idea, and then at home when you have a 30 days or so money back guaranteed if you happen that you don't like their sound at your own home.

But before you pick the receiver, choose carefully your speakers first.
And take your time, if you are going to buy your system too quick, you'll end up unsatisfied, trust me.

Now I can see more clearly, and you definitively don't need the Onkyo TX-SR705 or TX-SR706. The 607 is plenty for your needs, but you need good speakers first, and that takes some time to listen to.

So, the first rule is don't rush it, take the time on your side. Anyway the prices of everything can only go down from here, which is good for you.

I don't recommend you to purchased speakers before you consider your options and have at least some listen to at the store.

Bob

Note: I look at those Canton speakers and they are extremely small, skip it.
I also look at the Pioneer set, skip it too.
And I also look at those Harman Kardon set of speakers, skip both sets.

Tha'll leave you with nothing! And just don't buy any receiver just yet either.

* Because you live in the Netherlands, it will take us a little more dipping in what is available in your country and at what kind of reasonable price.

I am starting to get a clearer picture here, and I don't want you to rush things.
I want you to be very happy with your final decision, so you are going to give me some time to devise a good plan for you in accordance to your budget and feature's list, plus your room size and your listening habits.
If it's OK with you, let us know, so we can work together in peace and with time on our side. I hate rushing things.

 

[Gamblet]

Again thanks for the reply. At first i gonna move within a year so i dont know the exact size probarly arround 18 m2 (let say not to big).

I gonna use mine soundsystem mainly for watching movies and listening to music dvd's. In the future i wanna use also a PS3 or Xbox and BlueRay.

I red here ---> http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-speaker-systems/canton-movie-150-qx/4505-7868_7-32897525.html that the canton 150 qx indeed is very small but however has a very good sound (lots of comments from users say the same) So i though this 5.1 set is good enough for now, and isnt it true that i can by 2 better front speakers later and add them to to the 5.1 cinemaset?

I'm open for other sugestion. Here a pricelist for the 5.1 system so it give you a idee:
- Canton 150 QX cost €333 that is $450
- Harman Kardon HKTS 11 cost €325 that is $440
- Pioneer S-V70-IV cost €525 that is $710

 

[Lordoftherings]

Again thanks for the reply. At first i gonna move within a year so i dont know the exact size probarly arround 18 m2 (let say not to big).

I gonna use mine soundsystem mainly for watching movies and listening to music dvd's. In the future i wanna use also a PS3 or Xbox and BlueRay.

I red here ---> http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-speaker-systems/canton-movie-150-qx/4505-7868_7-32897525.html that the canton 150 qx indeed is very small but however has a very good sound (lots of comments from users say the same) So i though this 5.1 set is good enough for now, and isnt it true that i can by 2 biggers front speakers later and add them to to the 5.1 cinemaset?

To be honest with you, C-Net is not my type of place for critical reviews.

And is it expensive that set of Canton speakers in the Netherland?
Because for $1,200 USA or CDN, you can get something bigger or a bit bigger and I believe better also.
Did you ever consider some second hand B&W or KEF, or Paradigm or Energy, or give me the most major brands in your country, because the Netherlands build excellent speakers.

* 8 meter square is about 3.5 meters by 5.2 meters, which is about 12 feet by 17 feet, which is a fair size. Not big, but not small.

* Id you are going to buy a full set of speakers, it is hard to add some front ones bigger in the future, possible but not necessary the right way.

From what I see, you seem to easily influencable by what you're reading.
-->> You have to go in audio stores in your neighbourhood and check the sound of the speakers they carry.>

I don't know, maybe I'm old fashion, but that's the way I am used too.
I did not catch yet the way of the internet, or did I?
I never listen to the particular speakers that you mentioned, so I cannot say.
Just follow the arrow.

Did you check the Netherlands audio forums? Did you check other excellent audio forums from the UK? Like AV Forums?

Canton speakers have a generally good reputation in the USA and Canada, as well in the UK. But I'm not just familiar with these small speakers, are they enough to fill your room to your satisfaction? With an 8" subwoofer?
For me, no. For you, I don't know, but I have some doubts. I think that you want something a bit bigger to fill your room and immerse you in the real impact of movies. Like at least a 10" subwoofer driver. Some speakers with drivers with a 5.5" cone or 6" perhaps? Or at least a 5" driver minimum?

It is better to buy speakers locally, so if you are not happy with their sound, it is less problemos; you just return them and try another pair or set.

Food for thought,

Bob

 

[Gamblet]

Think you didnt see mine edit but the canton speakers are $450 dollar. I'm curious what speakers you recommend.. Mayby you can tell me some soundsystems that is in your opinion good enough, then i will take a look what they cost.

I agree with you that its better to go to a shop and listen to the speakers. Think i will do that after i got some idee what speakers are recommended.

 

[Gamblet]

Mayby the Canton Movie CD 1000 is abit better quality.

Type Home-Cinema-System with active subwoofer system
Engineering Principle Front: 2½-way Bass reflex system
Center: 2-way closed system
Surround: 2-way closed system
Subwoofer: Bandpass system


Nom. /Music power handling Front: 70 / 120 watts
Center: 45 / 100 watts
Surround: 45 / 100 watts

Musical output Subwoofer: 100 watts
Frequency response Front: 50...25.000 Hz
Center: 80...25.000 Hz
Surround: 80...25.000 Hz
Subwoofer: 33...140 Hz

Crossover frequency Front: 400 / 3.500 Hz
Center: 3.900 Hz
Surround: 3.900 Hz
Subwoofer: 80...140 Hz (adjustable)

Woofer Front: 2 x 80 mm (3''), aluminum
Center: 2 x 80 mm (3''), aluminum
Surround: 1 x 80 mm (3''), aluminum
Subwoofer: 1 x 200 mm (8''), aluminum

Midrange Front: 2 x 80 mm (3''), aluminum

Tweeter Front: 1 x 15 mm (1''), aluminum
Center: 1 x 15 mm (1''), aluminum
Surround: 1 x 15 mm (1''), aluminum

Nominal Impedance 4...8 ohms
Dimensions (WxHxD) Front: 9 x 103 x 10 cm
(3.5'' x 40.6'' x 3.9'')
Center: 22 x 9 x 10 cm
(8.7'' x 3.5'' x 3.9'')
Surround: 9 x 13.5 x 10 cm
(3.5'' x 5.3'' x 3.9'')
Subwoofer: 24 x 42.5 x 42 cm
(9.4'' x 16.7'' x 16.5'')

Weight Front: 8.6 kg
Center: 1.7 kg
Surround: 1.0 kg
Subwoofer: 10.4 kg

Available accessories Loudspeaker stand LS 90
Loudspeaker stand LS 95

Special Features Front:
Magnetically shielded
Polymer protection
Aluminum speaker base plate

Center:
Magnetically shielded

Surround:
Magnetically shielded
Polymer protection
Wall brackets included

Subwoofer:
Adjustable crossover frequency
Adjustable bass level
SC-technology

 

[Lordoftherings]

So Gamblet, tell me, are you shopping by looking at the specs or what?

If you will live here in North America, It will be easy for me to recommend you some speakers to listen too.

And, what's going on here? Is this the section of receivers and amps and preamps?

I mean I post some long posts trying to give you my ideas, but I wish to remain with the subject of these threads.

And I ask you very specific questions, and you did not answer me. My posts are taking me a lot of my time and thinking to try to help you the best I can.

I already said what I think about speakers, I don't even know what the dealers around your area are carrying?

Can you get these Canton speakers and listen to them in the comfort of your own home and see if you like their sound? And if not, can you return them for your money back?
Do you have an actual receiver for that purpose?
Do Paradigm speakers available in your area? Are they too expensive? What can I tell you that I don't even know? Or do you want to know what I already know?
I love Canadian speakers in general; Paradigm (I own some models), Mirage, Energy, PSB, Totem, and more.
I like B&W, KEF, RBH, Swans, Thiel, Snell, Revel, Wilson, Vienna, Vandersteen, Sonus Faber, Piega, Martin Logan, Magnepan, Joseph Audio, Focal-JMLab, Genelec, Gershman, Egglestonworks, Dynaudio, Dali, Coincident, Avalon, Aerial and others like these.

Speakers are a very personal taste, that's why you have to make an effort to listen to them.

So, I think that you should check in the speakers section and ask some owners of these Cantons what they think.

When you find some speakers that you believe that are the ones for you, time to try an audition without being totally commited. See, what I'm saying.

Then I'll help you to match your speakers with the right receiver.

Sorry, if you find me a bit rough, but I just want what it's good for you.
I hope you understand.

Regards,

Bob

 

[Gamblet]

So Gamblet, tell me, are you shopping by looking at the specs or what?

If you will live here in North America, It will be easy for me to recommend you some speakers to listen too.

And, what's going on here? Is this the section of receivers and amps and preamps?

I mean I post some long posts trying to give you my ideas, but I wish to remain with the subject of these threads.

And I ask you very specific questions, and you did not answer me. My posts are taking me a lot of my time and thinking to try to help you the best I can.

I already said what I think about speakers, I don't even know what the dealers around your area are carrying?

Can you get these Canton speakers and listen to them in the comfort of your own home and see if you like their sound? And if not, can you return them for your money back?
Do you have an actual receiver for that purpose?
Do Paradigm speakers available in your area? Are they too expensive? What can I tell you that I don't even know? Or do you want to know what I already know?
I love Canadian speakers in general; Paradigm (I own some models), Mirage, Energy, PSB, Totem, and more.
I like B&W, KEF, RBH, Swans, Thiel, Snell, Revel, Wilson, Vienna, Vandersteen, Sonus Faber, Piega, Martin Logan, Magnepan, Joseph Audio, Focal-JMLab, Genelec, Gershman, Egglestonworks, Dynaudio, Dali, Coincident, Avalon, Aerial and others like these.

Speakers are a very personal taste, that's why you have to make an effort to listen to them.

So, I think that you should check in the speakers section and ask some owners of these Cantons what they think.

When you find some speakers that you believe that are the ones for you, time to try an audition without being totally commited. See, what I'm saying.

Then I'll help you to match your speakers with the right receiver.

Sorry, if you find me a bit rough, but I just want what it's good for you.
I hope you understand.

Regards,

Bob

Well i do appreciated your input and i think i have answer your questions in mine replys. I decided to go for the Onkyo TX SR-607 or SR-606 cause i think that has enough options and power for what i need and also it is within price range. Cause of your advice i will wait with purchasing the receiver untill i know what speakerset i would like but i think both of the receivers will do there job.

So now i'm still wondering what is a good 5.1 set. I posted the Canton Movie CD1000 cause i think the front speakers are bit more powerfull then the Canton 150 QX.

The reasson i asked about the speakers in this thread is that i dont wanna spam the forum 2 much with mine questions.

Paradigm is available in the Netherlands for example the Paradigm Monitor 7 (bit expensive though €499 that is $675 for 1box).

Yes in the most webshops it is possible to return the order within 15 workingdays and get moneyback.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Well i do appreciated your input and i think i have answer your questions in mine replys. I decided to go for the Onkyo TX SR-607 or SR-606 cause i think that has enough options and power for what i need and also it is within price range. Cause of your advice i will wait with purchasing the receiver untill i know what speakerset i would like but i think both of the receivers will do there job.

So now i'm still wondering what is a good 5.1 set. I posted the Canton Movie CD1000 cause i think the front speakers are bit more powerfull then the Canton 150 QX.

The reasson i asked about the speakers in this thread is that i dont wanna spam the forum 2 much with mine questions.

Paradigm is available in the Netherlands for example the Paradigm Monitor 7 (bit expensive though €499 that is $675 for 1box).

Yes in the most webshops it is possible to return the order within 15 workingdays and get moneyback.

All right, now you're talking! Good.

Wow! $675 for the Monitor 7, each! That's a ripp off. Forget it.
You said before that the full set of Canton speakers was about $450?
And the Onkyo TX-SR607 about $530 or so?
So now, you are at about $1,000. Do you feel comfortable with that?
Maybe you should get that second set of Cantons that you just show me, and get a receiver less expensive. What do you think?
Do you have access at some good deals from Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, or Pioneer?
I believe that if you want to spend close to $1,000 on speakers (5.1 system) and a receiver (don't forget speaker wires too and some interconnects and HDMI cables), you should allow about 70% of your budget (roughly) to the speakers, so about $700 for the full set of speakers, incuding the sub, and $300 on the receiver. And about 10% should go on all your cables.
So would you like more options for other receivers that cost less money, so you can get that second set of Canton speakers? How much is that 2nd set by the way?
Find any luck yet on the speakers section?
And do you agree with me on my last PM to you?

Take your time, don't rush it, that's the only thing that you really have at this point, TIME. And that's a precious ally. It's your best friend, almost better than your girlfriend.

And speakers are like girlfriends, you have to taste few before you get the right one.
Then getting the receiver is the fun part, it's like making love in perfect harmony.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[lsiberian]

For a receiver I suggest you at least consider a used non HDMI. You can get some amazing deals on hi-fi receivers ATM. Look at used stuff for steals.

Look around for the best deals on Netherlands products. Don't just settle on one place. Bargain hunt. You might save a lot of money if you do.

In the US we have a4less that sells refurbs for insane prices. Do go and play with receivers. You're in Europe so I'm fairly certain audio stores are close. There are many amazing brands from that continent and plenty of philes. I suggest you look around. I bet you'll find something.

 

[Gamblet]

All right, now you're talking! Good.

Wow! $675 for the Monitor 7, each! That's a ripp off. Forget it.
You said before that the full set of Canton speakers was about $450?
And the Onkyo TX-SR607 about $530 or so?
So now, you are at about $1,000. Do you feel comfortable with that?
Maybe you should get that second set of Cantons that you just show me, and get a receiver less expensive. What do you think?
Do you have access at some good deals from Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, or Pioneer?
I believe that if you want to spend close to $1,000 on speakers (5.1 system) and a receiver (don't forget speaker wires too and some interconnects and HDMI cables), you should allow about 70% of your budget (roughly) to the speakers, so about $700 for the full set of speakers, incuding the sub, and $300 on the receiver. And about 10% should go on all your cables.
So would you like more options for other receivers that cost less money, so you can get that second set of Canton speakers? How much is that 2nd set by the way?
Find any luck yet on the speakers section?
And do you agree with me on my last PM to you?

Take your time, don't rush it, that's the only thing that you really have at this point, TIME. And that's a precious ally. It's your best friend, almost better than your girlfriend.

And speakers are like girlfriends, you have to taste few before you get the right one.
Then getting the receiver is the fun part, it's like making love in perfect harmony.

Cheers,

Bob

Lmao @ speakers are like gf... that must been the best advice i had so far

I feel comfortable to spend $1000 dollar. Importent thing for me is that i'm satisfied with the system i evently buy. So i dont mind spending a bit more on the speakers if its gonna sound allot better. The receiver SR-606 or SR-607 sounds a perfect fit for me (lets forget the budget on this part and pretend its €300 ) I also buy that receiver for the future so think when i going to spend less for the receiver it wont fit mine needs a few year later.

The Canton Movie CD1000 cost $742. Got one reply who said he prefered this one above the other that i also mention in here.

Yes i agree with you said in your last reply. When a store give some1 a good service i also willing to pay a bit more for that service, that store made it possible for me to listen at speakers and they also need bread on the table dont you think?. And ofcourse a bit of barging if it else were is cheaper can do no harm.

Yes we ave acces in the Netherlands to Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, or Pioneer. From what i have seen Marantz is pretty expensive compare to Onkyo.

I also find a great thread --> http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54694&page=1 that can help me out. Gonna look into that thread a other day.

Thanks for the help and catch you later.

Cheers

 

[Gamblet]

For a receiver I suggest you at least consider a used non HDMI. You can get some amazing deals on hi-fi receivers ATM. Look at used stuff for steals.

Look around for the best deals on Netherlands products. Don't just settle on one place. Bargain hunt. You might save a lot of money if you do.

In the US we have a4less that sells refurbs for insane prices. Do go and play with receivers. You're in Europe so I'm fairly certain audio stores are close. There are many amazing brands from that continent and plenty of philes. I suggest you look around. I bet you'll find something.

Uhmm why a non HDMI receiver if i may ask? Seems to me especially in the future HDMI connection come in handy. Used stuff i'm not to picky on that cause there isnt any waranty + it could be that it has had there best time.

I definatly look arround for the best deals only problem now is that i'm not sure what soundsystem i have to buy. If i know a few system i would like i could go on the bargain hunt

I have looked at a4lesss and i quicklu closed that window man what a amazing prices they have especially comparing the price in europe. A pitty its USA only

 

[lsiberian]

Uhmm why a non HDMI receiver if i may ask? Seems to me especially in the future HDMI connection come in handy. Used stuff i'm not to picky on that cause there isnt any waranty + it could be that it has had there best time.

I definatly look arround for the best deals only problem now is that i'm not sure what soundsystem i have to buy. If i know a few system i would like i could go on the bargain hunt

I have looked at a4lesss and i quicklu closed that window man what a amazing prices they have especially comparing the price in europe. A pitty its USA only

http://www.eshop.nl/winkel/Speakersysteem/KEF_KHT2005.3_zilver.html

I use those speakers for my surrounds. They are amazing cross them at 100hz.

When you do get new speakers you can always use four of them as surrounds. So they are versatile. And you can get KEF bookshelves or towers that will match them sonically.

For satellites only the KEF 3000s sounded better to my ears.