meridian

[smokey007]

i currently own a avm30. i was wondering if stepping up to a meridian 568 would make my system sound better. i love the avm30. i've never had a chance to demo a meridain before. The only way i would upgrade to one is if the sound is a lot better then the avm30. anybody have a chance to listen to both. if so was there a big difference in sound quality between the two.

 

[gene]

if you are already happy with your AVM 30 then why upgrade? How about addressing something that will clearly make an audible difference like your room

 

[smokey007]

good point. My room acoustics are fine. I'm sure there could be some more done to the room to improve it. I'm very happy with my avm30. I just was looking at some reviews on processors. Came across meridian. The way people talk about them they sound like there the best of the best. Seeing some customer reveiws stating that they owned other hi end stuff. But when they got the meridian it was like night and day. Which made me wonder about upgrading.

 

[mtrycrafts]

But when they got the meridian it was like night and day. Which made me wonder about upgrading.

Don't agonize over those reports

You need to understand a bit about human nature, how subjective, biased and unreliable such reports can be. The WOW factor.
Stop wondering and enjoy what you have.

Oh, there are very few [products in audio that will give you a night and day differences. But then, you would have to define what is a night and day difference really is.

 

[DaveOCP]

good point. My room acoustics are fine. I'm sure there could be some more done to the room to improve it. I'm very happy with my avm30. I just was looking at some reviews on processors. Came across meridian. The way people talk about them they sound like there the best of the best. Seeing some customer reveiws stating that they owned other hi end stuff. But when they got the meridian it was like night and day. Which made me wonder about upgrading.

What about your speakers? Unless you have WAMMs, Pipedreams, or Genesis 1.1s, there's always room to go up, and a speaker upgrade will most likely make a much bigger difference than a SSP.

 

[Tempest]

Bs

Oh, there are very few [products in audio that will give you a night and day differences. But then, you would have to define what is a night and day difference really is.

I'm calling you to the table on this one. You have no idea what you are talking about and that statement is a complete load of crap. You are either an antagonist or completely deaf. Since you used the quote 'night and day' for your statement, why don't you define it? It really is time for you to put out or shut up.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I'm calling you to the table on this one. You have no idea what you are talking about and that statement is a complete load of crap. You are either an antagonist or completely deaf. Since you used the quote 'night and day' for your statement, why don't you define it? It really is time for you to put out or shut up.

Dang - calm yourself. Night and day is a big difference and I agree entirely that people throw out the term 'NIGHT AND DAY' when what they really mean is 'SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT, BUT NOTICABLE'.

I had the opportunity to listed to Meridian's top of the line speakers A-B tested with B&W 801s. The Meridians sounded cleaner, but also cost about $80,000.00 more or something ridiculous like that. Not a LOT clearer, but noticably clearer.

This is what some people would call night and day.

On the other hand - what I would call night and day is the fact that almost every Yamaha, Denon, and Pioneer product I have worked with has been very reliable for users, while the Krell and Meridian equipment I have worked with has failed, locked up, seized up, and customer service has been MIA for those companies in dealing with their issues.

Night and day?

Well, compared to the sound quality of the $1,000 receiver vs. the $10,000+ receiver/amps, I would say that a complete product failure w/no support vs. day to day reliability IS night and day.

Everyone needs to put perspective on what they are comparing. A Yugo vs. a Honda Accord? Or a Honda Accord vs. a Toyota Camry? Which one is a 'night and day' comparison? One review would call the Accord phenomenal and worlds better... the other would call it very similar and not overly impressive.

Night and day indeed....

Get some humor and look for smilies - they mean something.

 

[Sleestack]

As someone who has owned pieces across the board, I will say that "Night & Day" is an overused phrase. The difference between my $4K Meridan G08 CD player and my $400 Onix XCD-99 CD player.... not night and day. Noticeable differences that matter, yes. Major differences, no. I can wholeheartedly recommend the G08, but not to someone who is on a budget and is looking to spend their money where it makes the biggest difference.

Emotiva MPS/DMC-1 ($4,400) v. Parasound C1/A51 ($11K).... not night & day. In fact, there are some aspects of the Emotiva pieces that I like better.

There are 2 areas where I have experienced night and day differences.

Speakers: The difference between my Epiphany 12-12s and Merlin TSM-MXs is night & day. They are both excellent, but very different.

Room correction/preamp: The differences resulting from using a Room Correction pre-amp like the TACT RCS 2.2x are defintely night & day. a simple flick of the switch bringing you from non-corrected to corrected ouput makes that abundantly clear. If you can afford it, as far as I'm concerned the TACT RCS 2.2x is the best thing since sliced bread for 2 channel junkies like me.

 

[9f9c7z]

When I was looking a pre/pros + amplfrs, it was either the Meridian or the Rotel that required the remote be used to turn the system on/off, and for many of the controls. All of the other pre/pros I looked at have nested menus that were accessible from the pre/pro itself, tho not something I would want to struggle thru…and you can turn any of the others on/off without the remote.

 

[smokey007]

well thanks for the info. i'm going to stick with the avm30. And like Gene adressed i might invest some money into my home theater room.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'm calling you to the table on this one. You have no idea what you are talking about and that statement is a complete load of crap. You are either an antagonist or completely deaf. Since you used the quote 'night and day' for your statement, why don't you define it? It really is time for you to put out or shut up.

You are right. I have no idea what I am talking about. Must be pseudoscience, mumbo jumbo, bs, mythology, you name it. And yes, I am totally deaf, unlike many others with 'golden ears.' Did I claim anything different???

By the way, you may want to read my post again and see what I used as a quote, then read that message as well and chase after the claimant for definitions, ok?
And, if you want to be rude with your posts, take it somewhere else, to someone who might be intimidated.

 

[MDS]

And yes, I am totally deaf, unlike many others with 'golden ears.' Did I claim anything different???

I don't mean to pry Mtry, but are you really deaf? You have stated that a few times and I can't tell if that is just your way of saying that subjective listening impressions don't matter as much as objective testing.

I have to wonder why someone that was deaf would be interested in audio unless there is some other way to enjoy music without actually hearing it.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I don't mean to pry Mtry, but are you really deaf? You have stated that a few times and I can't tell if that is just your way of saying that subjective listening impressions don't matter as much as objective testing.

I have to wonder why someone that was deaf would be interested in audio unless there is some other way to enjoy music without actually hearing it.

You are not prying. It is an open forum

People think and say I am deaf, make them happy, I am

Wasn't Beethoven deaf???

 

[Rob Babcock]

I say if you can go up to the Meridian G68, that might be worth it. I'm speaking only on the basis of reviews, not experience, but I do know the Meridian performs very sophisticated room correction below 250 hz. That could well be enough to merit trading up, if you can afford one. It's probably what I'd try if I had the cash.

 

[smokey007]

i was looking at 568 meridian. its a demo for half price. Dealer told me meriadian is going to stop selling the 500 series. The g series well be taking over. so i thought it was a pretty good deal which sparked my interest even more. I just talked to the dealer again yesterday. Since the dealer is over 3 hours away. he offered me to take the demo and try it out for a week at home. No strings attached. so if i like it i'll keep it. if not send it back. so i'll see how it goes.

 

[Pyrrho]

You are not prying. It is an open forum

People think and say I am deaf, make them happy, I am

Wasn't Beethoven deaf???

Only in his later years, when he wrote what many consider to be his best music. It is interesting to consider the fact that he never heard it played, but by the time he went deaf, he was very accomplished, so much so that hearing it was not terribly important for him to be able to write it (as is evidenced by the quality of his later work).

 

[Wrk_hrd2Play_hr]

Dang - calm yourself. Night and day is a big difference and I agree entirely that people throw out the term 'NIGHT AND DAY' when what they really mean is 'SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT, BUT NOTICABLE'.

I had the opportunity to listed to Meridian's top of the line speakers A-B tested with B&W 801s. The Meridians sounded cleaner, but also cost about $80,000.00 more or something ridiculous like that. Not a LOT clearer, but noticably clearer.

This is what some people would call night and day.

On the other hand - what I would call night and day is the fact that almost every Yamaha, Denon, and Pioneer product I have worked with has been very reliable for users, while the Krell and Meridian equipment I have worked with has failed, locked up, seized up, and customer service has been MIA for those companies in dealing with their issues.

Night and day?

Well, compared to the sound quality of the $1,000 receiver vs. the $10,000+ receiver/amps, I would say that a complete product failure w/no support vs. day to day reliability IS night and day.

Everyone needs to put perspective on what they are comparing. A Yugo vs. a Honda Accord? Or a Honda Accord vs. a Toyota Camry? Which one is a 'night and day' comparison? One review would call the Accord phenomenal and worlds better... the other would call it very similar and not overly impressive.

Night and day indeed....

Get some humor and look for smilies - they mean something.

Sorry, but I'm completely in Tempest's camp on this one. The bugger really does need to put up or shut. All I ever see is his negativity and his downplaying of anyones positive experience. I called him out an and earlier post about this and am doing so again. For example, in every single post he claims that there is no benefit whatsover to amplification unless it is used to avoid the worst case scenario of clipping. So I guess, all those folks that have bought anything else for amplification besides a $250 Onkyo receiver (assuming they don't experience clipping) must be arseholes right Mtrycrafts??

Sheesh....I never even bother to post a note like this, but the negativity is just getting a bit too irritating.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Sheesh....I never even bother to post a note like this, but the negativity is just getting a bit too irritating.

You shouldn't have started now.

I'm not defending anyone, or on anyones side. Attacks are pointless and picking sides is even more so. If the Meridian actually works, then it is one of the finest products on the market. My personal experience with Meridian is that while they sound phenomenal, they sometimes have some engineering failures which affect reliability. Kind of like a Lamborghini or Ferrari. So, B&W, like I said, is very relative and needs some context which is only fair.

I would not recommend Meridian to anyone who doesn't have money to blow out the window and doesn't care about reliability or actually need their system to work all the time. Same mentality I have with Runco. McIntosh? Now, those guys will bend over backwards if there is an issue with their product and get it resolved ASAP.

Staying on subject would help - I am a fan of Meridian's sound, but not a fan of Meridian.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Only in his later years, when he wrote what many consider to be his best music. It is interesting to consider the fact that he never heard it played, but by the time he went deaf, he was very accomplished, so much so that hearing it was not terribly important for him to be able to write it (as is evidenced by the quality of his later work).

Thanks for that reminder. I did know that bit and as you indicate, he didn't have to hear but that doesn't mean I am equating myself to him Hardly would entertain that

 

[Pyrrho]

Thanks for that reminder. I did know that bit and as you indicate, he didn't have to hear but that doesn't mean I am equating myself to him Hardly would entertain that

I doubt anyone of taste and judgment would suppose that you, or, for that matter, any other living person, were as accomplished as Beethoven as far as composing music is concerned. However, the idea that hearing is not necessary for the written word or any advice here is an interesting analogy to Beethoven. It is knowledge and good sense that matter for accuracy in what one says, not one's hearing or what equipment one can afford. That, I expect, is what you intended in your reference to Beethoven; whether you or anyone else here is deaf or not is entirely irrelevant to whether they give good advice for audio equipment. One can be very knowledgeable about something without being able to experience it, as, for example, a male doctor, or a female doctor who is sterile, may be an expert in childbirth. Giving birth does not make one understand all of the processes involved. Any mentally retarded woman who is not sterile can give birth, but giving birth will not make her no longer retarded. Too many people imagine that an ill-informed experience is more valuable than true knowledge.