Looking to upgrade my turntable

[highfigh]

You really have made a ten course meal of this! Hopefully you will be happy with the Fluance. However, good turntables have to be built with precision engineering and that is never cheap. Just talk to a skilled machinist.

It's a lot less expensive to buy precision parts than to make them. The setup time alone adds a significant cost to any operation and sometimes, special tooling is needed. I seriously doubt anyone making turntables now makes all of the parts needed. Any casting, whether plastic or metal, needs a large sales projection numbers in order to be viable.

It would seem practical for tonearm pivot points to contain industrial gemstones- even relatively inexpensive watches used those.

 

[Mike Up]

It's a lot less expensive to buy precision parts than to make them. The setup time alone adds a significant cost to any operation and sometimes, special tooling is needed. I seriously doubt anyone making turntables now makes all of the parts needed. Any casting, whether plastic or metal, needs a large sales projection numbers in order to be viable.

It would seem practical for tonearm pivot points to contain industrial gemstones- even relatively inexpensive watches used those.

Yes, I was just shocked by the level of cheapness the Audio Technica AT-LP3XBT and Denon DP-300F are made. And it clearly shows by the motor noise defect on the Audio Technica and the speed problem defect on the DP-300F.

Looks like Teac, Music Hall, Dual, Audio Technica, Sony, Denon, and others are made by Hanpin for their cheaper offering and use Ya Horng for their more expensive offerings. Fluance, NAD, Yamaha and JBL turntables are made by Ya Horng. Leetac makes Victrola turntables.

Then you have Pro-Ject and U-turn that make their own turntables but their lower models are NOT upgradeable to different cartridges due to their fixed anti-skate. Only their more expensive offerings have an adjustable anti-skate. Technics makes their own turntables as well.

Looks like Fluance has the the least expensive and more feature rich turntables made by Ya Horng.

Only makes sense in this digital age where vinyl died a long time ago and was only recently brought back to life for the new Vinyl FAD. It's a good thing as it keep hardware going for us to listen to our vintage collections, but now it's either cheaply made or super expensive turntables with few offerings sitting in the middle.

Looks Like Music Hall just discontinued an inexpensive model the US-1 which has adjustable tracking force and anti-skate for cartridge upgrades and only is $250 made, by Hanpin. Funny it just started showing up for sale this week on some websites, looks very similar to my old Sony PS-LX350H except it's much lighter. Perhaps Sony used a steel plate attached to the bottom plastic like the Denon DP-300F does.

 

[TLS Guy]

Yes, I was just shocked by the level of cheapness the Audio Technica AT-LP3XBT and Denon DP-300F are made. And it clearly shows by the motor noise defect on the Audio Technica and the speed problem defect on the DP-300F.

Looks like Teac, Music Hall, Dual, Audio Technica, Sony, Denon, and others are made by Hanpin for their cheaper offering and use Ya Horng for their more expensive offerings. Fluance, NAD, Yamaha and JBL turntables are made by Ya Horng. Leetac makes Victrola turntables.

Then you have Pro-Ject and U-turn that make their own turntables but their lower models are NOT upgradeable to different cartridges due to their fixed anti-skate. Only their more expensive offerings have an adjustable anti-skate. Technics makes their own turntables as well.

Looks like Fluance has the the least expensive and more feature rich turntables made by Ya Horng.

Only makes sense in this digital age where vinyl died a long time ago and was only recently brought back to life for the new Vinyl FAD. It's a good thing as it keep hardware going for us to listen to our vintage collections, but now it's either cheaply made or super expensive turntables with few offerings sitting in the middle.

Looks Like Music Hall just discontinued an inexpensive model the US-1 which has adjustable tracking force and anti-skate for cartridge upgrades and only is $250 made, by Hanpin. Funny it just started showing up for sale this week on some websites, looks very similar to my old Sony PS-LX350H except it's much lighter. Perhaps Sony used a steel plate attached to the bottom plastic like the Denon DP-300F does.

Honestly, your best bet for a good turntable at a good price is to buy a good vintage one. However the finest of the vintage turntables fetch a small fortune.

New turntables are not really a very good deal, they are pretty much junk or way overpriced.

 

[Mike Up]

Honestly, your best bet for a good turntable at a good price is to buy a good vintage one. However the finest of the vintage turntables fetch a small fortune.

New turntables are not really a very good deal, they are pretty much junk or way overpriced.

Yes, I agree. I remember when I was a kid we had a console stereo with built in turntable and AM/FM radio, and speakers. The turntable had a floating suspension and was pretty cool. Unfortunately it has 1 driver, full range speakers that didn't sound very good.

Yes, after finding these cheaply made turntables, I started researching and that is when I found that most under $1000 turntables are made by Ya Horng, and the cheaper under $550 are made mostly by Hanpin but a few made by Ya Horng.

The other less than $1000 makers are U-Turn, Pro-Ject, and Technics.

From the looks of it, the Ya Horng turntables look to be quality while the Hanpin are questionable. Just my take on it. I do keep reading of problems with the U-Turn tables while little issues with Pro-Ject. But their more affordable turntables aren't cartridge upgradeable with a fixed anti-skate. The Technics seem to be the golden standard.

If it weren't for the Fluance turntables, I think I would had just gave up and kept using the AT-LP60-USB turntable or put the albums into storage. The nicer Ya Horng turntables by various brands look nice, but they are expensive, at least to me. I do think I would try putting a new Stylus and belt onto the AT-LP60-USB just to see if it helps.

If the Fluance turntable works out for me, I may give the LP60-USB to my step son if he even would have any interest in it, as he's a digital guy.

The Sony PS-LX350H I had, except for design flawed drifting speed, was built better than the AT-LP3XBT or the Denon DP-300F yet back in the day seemed to be around $150 to $200. Looks to have the same Audio Technica made Cartridge with a 2.5mv output with 2.0 grams of tracking force. Even with the same flip down stylus protector! Most likely a modified AT91R.