Look at what UPS dropped off today!!

[gus6464]

Interesting. I fall into the music lover category, so I'd definitely prefer the speakers to just disappear and have the music before me. Words like "disappear" and "transparent" describe what I like. Unfortunately the version one 01's didn't do that for me. I heard speakers trying (but not achieving) to reproduce music rather than just the music...if that makes sense. I prefer accuracy.

Still, I think it's cool SVS is sending out the crossovers to the owners; that is customer service.

P.S. I love SVS subwoofers!

You seem to be contradicting yourself there. You say you prefer accuracy but you say the MBS-01 didn't "do it" for you. If a speaker is accurate then it is already doing what it is supposed to be doing. If a speaker makes a specific thing jump out in the music then it is not actually accurate.

 

[mazersteven]

P.S. I love SVS subwoofers!

I knew there was something I liked about you.

 

[Nuance AH]

You seem to be contradicting yourself there. You say you prefer accuracy but you say the MBS-01 didn't "do it" for you. If a speaker is accurate then it is already doing what it is supposed to be doing. If a speaker makes a specific thing jump out in the music then it is not actually accurate.

A speaker that measures "accurate" won't automatically give an "accurate" reproduction of the music. You should know that. Measurements are only one portion of engineering a speaker.

A speaker that has a midrange null and and an obvious crossover flaw does not "do it" for me; you're right about that. My reference is live music. I want a speaker that simply passes the audio signal along without changing or coloring it. Of course, there is no perfect speaker so I simply must find a speaker that exceeds in my important categories and who's flaws I can live with. I have done that as of recent.

So no, I didn't contradict myself. I don't like the original 01's because the have their own "sound" rather than being truly transparent. If this wasn't the case then SVS wouldn't have re-engineered them, not to mention everyone but one person at the GTG wouldn't have felt the same way about them. We (I) just didn't like them. Fortunately SVS seemed to have taken the consumers criticism seriously (including ours) because they re-engineered them and are offering some of them free upgrades and a chance to audition the new revision for free. Talk about customer service! They get a big thumbs up from me for that one. I mean, who does that? Who actually listens to the consumers and fixes any issues the majority had with them? SVS tried, didn't quite succeed, so they listened and tried again. And that's why I'll continue to recommend them.

I love SVS but I am not going to lie and say I liked a flawed speaker. This is why I am so anxious to hear the new crossover! Measurements alone do no a good speaker make (although mine measure very flat through the FR, so I am blessed to have gotten the best of both worlds ). Speaker of measurements, were they taken in an anechoic chamber, or were those in-room measurements? If it was the latter this is all moot because the speakers could have taken on the "flavor" of the room.

 

[Nuance AH]

I knew there was something I liked about you.

Haha - thanks.

 

[mazersteven]

My reference is live music. I want a speaker that simply passes the audio signal along without changing or coloring it. Of course, there is no perfect speaker

Are you sure there is no perfect speaker?

http://www.mackie.com/products/HR824/specs.html

 

[Nuance AH]

Are you sure there is no perfect speaker?

http://www.mackie.com/products/HR824/specs.html

Yes, I am sure...well, at least not a universally perfect speaker amongst the majority. I found my "perfect" speaker.

 

[mazersteven]

Have you ever given the Mackie HR824's an audition?

 

[Nuance AH]

Have you ever given the Mackie HR824's an audition?

Not the new revision, no. Actually, I think I head the 6 series now that I think about it; it was about 2 years ago. The location was far from ideal, however, being a guitar shop.

You like the Mackie's? I read and hear a lot of good things about them. Many say they are the best speaker's in their price range for near-field listening.

 

[mazersteven]

Not the new revision, no. Actually, I think I head the 6 series now that I think about it; it was about 2 years ago. The location was far from ideal, however, being a guitar shop.

You like the Mackie's? I read and hear a lot of good things about them. Many say they are the best speaker's in their price range for near-field listening.

Not only near-field listening. But also a good HT speaker.

I haven't auditioned the new version of the 824's. But I purchased the original 824's. I highly recommend them for a 2 channel system.

 

[gus6464]

A speaker that measures "accurate" won't automatically give an "accurate" reproduction of the music. You should know that. Measurements are only one portion of engineering a speaker.

A speaker that has a midrange null and and an obvious crossover flaw does not "do it" for me; you're right about that. My reference is live music. I want a speaker that simply passes the audio signal along without changing or coloring it. Of course, there is no perfect speaker so I simply must find a speaker that exceeds in my important categories and who's flaws I can live with. I have done that as of recent.

So no, I didn't contradict myself. I don't like the original 01's because the have their own "sound" rather than being truly transparent. If this wasn't the case then SVS wouldn't have re-engineered them, not to mention everyone but one person at the GTG wouldn't have felt the same way about them. We (I) just didn't like them. Fortunately SVS seemed to have taken the consumers criticism seriously (including ours) because they re-engineered them and are offering some of them free upgrades and a chance to audition the new revision for free. Talk about customer service! They get a big thumbs up from me for that one. I mean, who does that? Who actually listens to the consumers and fixes any issues the majority had with them? SVS tried, didn't quite succeed, so they listened and tried again. And that's why I'll continue to recommend them.

I love SVS but I am not going to lie and say I liked a flawed speaker. This is why I am so anxious to hear the new crossover! Measurements alone do no a good speaker make (although mine measure very flat through the FR, so I am blessed to have gotten the best of both worlds ). Speaker of measurements, were they taken in an anechoic chamber, or were those in-room measurements? If it was the latter this is all moot because the speakers could have taken on the "flavor" of the room.

SVS changed the crossover in order to protect the tweeter. Not because they thought it would sound better even though that is what they want everyone to believe.

Also the measurements of the v.1 MBS-01 were done outside, which just as Ilkka's sub measurements simulate an anechoic chamber.

Also out of curiosity which are the most accurate and neutral speakers you have ever heard? (although I am pretty sure I know what the answer is going to be)

 

[Nuance AH]

SVS changed the crossover in order to protect the tweeter. Not because they thought it would sound better even though that is what they want everyone to believe.

Also the measurements of the v.1 MBS-01 were done outside, which just as Ilkka's sub measurements simulate an anechoic chamber.

Also out of curiosity which are the most accurate and neutral speakers you have ever heard? (although I am pretty sure I know what the answer is going to be)

It doesn't really matter; I didn't like the speakers, and SVS did admit they weren't what they should have been, which explains a lot in my opinion. I've also read some comments (via e-mail) from the designers themselves that aren't available to the general public, so trust me, they knew they messed up the first time. It's my opinion (among many others), so why are you taking it so personal? Speakers are subjective, and no one speaker will please everyone. I am not insulting you by expressing my opinion. And remember, I listened to the 01's, not the booksehlf speakers you have (well, they were there, but I didn't put enough time in with them to comment). I'm not here to argue, so we can just agree to disagree.

The most accurate speakers I've heard were the Vandersteen 5A's. I'd own them if I could afford them. Bet you didn't expect me to say that.

 

[Warpdrv]

The most accurate speakers I've heard were the Vandersteen 5A's. I'd own them if I could afford them. Bet you didn't expect me to say that.

I did.....

SVS changed the crossover in order to protect the tweeter. Not because they thought it would sound better even though that is what they want everyone to believe.

Hey Gus...
I have not seen this information at all, could you point me in the direction where this was stated buddy... I'm curious, as I have never heard this once in direct talks with SVS about the replacements of the crossovers.


Nuance, you did have a chance to hear the bookshelves unless you left the room, but they were part of the Shootout, but it was not an extended period of time, as we were flipping back and forth between the different speakers that were present.

 

[gus6464]

I did.....



Hey Gus...
I have not seen this information at all, could you point me in the direction where this was stated buddy... I'm curious, as I have never heard this once in direct talks with SVS about the replacements of the crossovers.


Nuance, you did have a chance to hear the bookshelves unless you left the room, but they were part of the Shootout, but it was not an extended period of time, as we were flipping back and forth between the different speakers that were present.

If you go to the sound and vision forums there are a couple of threads on the subject. One guy was told by SVS that if he decides to keep the v.1 crossover and not upgrade that they would only replace the tweeter once. This info plus the actual measurements of the AirCirc one can easily see what is going on.

Here is the measurement of the AirCirc
http://www.zaphaudio.com/tweetermishmash/compare.html
Check out the FR and HD measurements. At 1500Hz the tweeter is right at the threshold. Also IG has both the v.1 and v.2 and he said that the new crossover makes the speaker sounds a bit harsh and it's because of the mid woofer being crossed too high. My Dali also exhibit this characteristic and it's not because of the tweeter but because of the mid woofer being crossed too high at 3500Hz.

Ikon 2 - 3500Hz
Mentor 2 - 3400Hz
Helicon 300 - 3400Hz

I didn't really understand this at first but Ryan explained it to me. I took note of all the speakers I found to be harsh sounding or hot and low and behold all of them had the mid woofer crossed over at 3000Hz. What was even weirder was the the shrillest speaker I have ever heard (B&W 705) is crossed over at 3700Hz.

Then here are two speakers which sound very smooth throughout the entire FR.

Dynaudio Focus 140 - 2400Hz
PSB Platinum M2 - 2200Hz

 

[Nuance AH]

Nuance, you did have a chance to hear the bookshelves unless you left the room, but they were part of the Shootout, but it was not an extended period of time, as we were flipping back and forth between the different speakers that were present.

That's true, but I wasn't paying much attention. I think I was shmoozing.

gus6464 - again, I meant to offense. I think it's great that you love your SVS's. I meant no harm.

 

[gus6464]

That's true, but I wasn't paying much attention. I think I was shmoozing.

gus6464 - again, I meant to offense. I think it's great that you love your SVS's. I meant no harm.

The SVS are not even mine. They are loaners from mazer. My speakers are Dali. So as you can see I came into this with no bias towards them.

 

[jsholland70]

That should be a lot of fun, Enjoy!