Look at what UPS dropped off today!!

[mazersteven]

a bit off topic:
anybody who's heard BOTH the Paradigm Studio 40 and MBS-01?

which did you prefer?

I prefer the MBS-01's. IMO the tweeter is outstanding. The MSB-01's IMO also handle the low frequencies much better.

 

[Adam]

Thanks for the comments Gus and thanks to steven for lending them to you.

Ditto! It's great to see that members are helping each other out and lending gear for each other's enjoyment, and it was also great to read your initial impressions of those. I thought long and hard about getting a full set of those last December, and I still have interest in them.

Getting the upgraded crossovers is free, isn't it? Maybe for the return trip to Mazer, they could make a pit stop in Ohio for a little upgrade.

 

[speakerman39]

a bit off topic:
anybody who's heard BOTH the Paradigm Studio 40 and MBS-01?

which did you prefer?

Very good question Mike, except I would also like to include the Studio 20's? From the way Mazer describes their performance, I would not be surprised if the MBS-1's are just as good, if not, better. Just love the looks of the MBS-01's.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[gus6464]

I have heard the entire studio line and IMO the MBS-01 is a better speaker than the 20 or 40. The Paradigms are more forward and have a bit of their own sound signature. The SVS definitely hit lower with a tighter and punchier low end.

I have noticed though something strange going on in the midrange when listening to Muse. On Supermassive Black Hole the midrange gets a bit messy and it sounds like distortion is going on. It doesn't feel like the driver can't handle it because everything else sounds good so I think this might be the flaw in the crossover that SVS has upgraded.

My only complaint is that I wish the tweeter was more airy, and if the LTS-01 delivers on this aspect it will be one heck of a speaker. If SVS announces them with a ribbon tweeter you can sign me up. I can easily see them compete with the Dynaudio Contour or even the Confidence series.

 

[mike c]

i wish the LTS would pay more attention to looks as well. (as in: "i look like a very expensive speaker") not that the M series isn't already over my budget range.

 

[Warpdrv]

I have heard the entire studio line and IMO the MBS-01 is a better speaker than the 20 or 40. The Paradigms are more forward and have a bit of their own sound signature. The SVS definitely hit lower with a tighter and punchier low end.

I have noticed though something strange going on in the midrange when listening to Muse. On Supermassive Black Hole the midrange gets a bit messy and it sounds like distortion is going on. It doesn't feel like the driver can't handle it because everything else sounds good so I think this might be the flaw in the crossover that SVS has upgraded.

My only complaint is that I wish the tweeter was more airy, and if the LTS-01 delivers on this aspect it will be one heck of a speaker. If SVS announces them with a ribbon tweeter you can sign me up. I can easily see them compete with the Dynaudio Contour or even the Confidence series.

I have put the MBS up against the Studio 20, and I can't say that it was a "better speaker".... I can say it was different, but this was before the crossover revamp, and maybe things have changed.... You are describing things that I had the same issues with, I couldn't get them to sound right to me in my room, but who knows, maybe I'll have to try them again since they refined the crossover... everyone has their own preference in speakers.

i wish the LTS would pay more attention to looks as well. (as in: "i look like a very expensive speaker") not that the M series isn't already over my budget range.

What is your budget mike...? if you are torn between the 2, why don't you get a set of 20's and the new mbs's, I think you could easily get some 20's discounted from audiogon, and if shipping is an issue, I could help you work something out... Honestly you have to test the speakers right next to each other to get a feel for how they sound to you....

 

[bandphan]

I have a DTS cd of the swedish national symphony

DejaVu, I listened to those speakers with that same cd

 

[mike c]

What is your budget mike...? if you are torn between the 2, why don't you get a set of 20's and the new mbs's, I think you could easily get some 20's discounted from audiogon, and if shipping is an issue, I could help you work something out... Honestly you have to test the speakers right next to each other to get a feel for how they sound to you....

my dream bedroom speaker would be the MA PL100. but i was thinking, i could play around with a studio 40 v.4 available here for a fraction of the price. and if i'm not happy with it, my HT speakers are screaming to be replaced, i can move the studio 40's there

thanks for the offer btw.

re: MBS, unfortunately, the free trial of SVS won't work with me since i'm in the PH. i'm pretty easy to please though.

 

[Warpdrv]

my dream bedroom speaker would be the MA PL100. but i was thinking, i could play around with a studio 40 v.4 available here for a fraction of the price. and if i'm not happy with it, my HT speakers are screaming to be replaced, i can move the studio 40's there

thanks for the offer btw.

re: MBS, unfortunately, the free trial of SVS won't work with me since i'm in the PH. i'm pretty easy to please though.

I have a stinking feeling that with the Vast amount of money you have dumped into SVS, they would be more then willing to be a bit more flexible with YOU mike...

Talk to Ed or Ron and see what they have to say...

 

[mike c]

even if they extended the free trial period with free shipping to me (longshot IMO)

i wouldn't feel right about it, i can't let them catch shipping to as far away as me - i'll be forced to keep the speakers no matter what -> and i don't want that to happen.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Just get the 40's, you will love them.

 

[Warpdrv]

even if they extended the free trial period with free shipping to me (longshot IMO)

i wouldn't feel right about it, i can't let them catch shipping to as far away as me - i'll be forced to keep the speakers no matter what -> and i don't want that to happen.

I think the Shipping would be on you, but they might be more flexible on the length of the trail period, just because of the time of shipping in your particular situation.... thats all I was saying...

And I also second Greg's thoughts.... The 40's are a great speaker.... I haven't heard them side by side with my S4's but with my past experience, the sigs are only a touch more refined.... and I love them...

 

[speakerman39]

I have heard the entire studio line and IMO the MBS-01 is a better speaker than the 20 or 40. The Paradigms are more forward and have a bit of their own sound signature. The SVS definitely hit lower with a tighter and punchier low end.

I have noticed though something strange going on in the midrange when listening to Muse. On Supermassive Black Hole the midrange gets a bit messy and it sounds like distortion is going on. It doesn't feel like the driver can't handle it because everything else sounds good so I think this might be the flaw in the crossover that SVS has upgraded.

My only complaint is that I wish the tweeter was more airy, and if the LTS-01 delivers on this aspect it will be one heck of a speaker. If SVS announces them with a ribbon tweeter you can sign me up. I can easily see them compete with the Dynaudio Contour or even the Confidence series.

Wow, gus this is good stuff. It sounds like SVS really outdone themselves on this one. Mazer feels the same way regarding the MBS-01's. One of these days, I may just have to check them out. It may be a while considering I am broke. Really can't even begin to imagine just how good the LTS line is going to be. Thanks for sharing gus.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

I think the Shipping would be on you, but they might be more flexible on the length of the trail period, just because of the time of shipping in your particular situation.... thats all I was saying...

And I also second Greg's thoughts.... The 40's are a great speaker.... I haven't heard them side by side with my S4's but with my past experience, the sigs are only a touch more refined.... and I love them...

You know warp, for some odd reason I preferred the sound of the 20's to the 40's. It was something that I had a hard time putting my finger on it so to speak. However, after A/Bing them on many many occasions I always came to that same conclusion. Hence, the 20's to me just seemed a bit more articulate in the upper midbass region than the 40's. Dynamically speaking, the 40's were better. Still to this day, I just can't fully explain why I prefer the 20's. Have any ideas other than I am crazyyyyyy......LOL???????

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Adam]

Have any ideas...?

Perhaps "Dollar Bill Phil" was looking for the best bang for the buck.

On second thought, no. You're just crazy.

 

[avaserfi]

It is very possible that panel resonance played a factor. The smaller Studio 20 recently reviewed in Stereophile is a relatively [to the price point] low resonance speaker. The Studio 40 likely has the same or similar build quality, but is a larger loudspeaker meaning substantially more effort is required to alleviate these resonances due to increases surface area. This vast increase in required work is very cost prohibitive and likely not implemented [the norm for speaker companies] in the Studio 40 which would lead one to suspect it is more resonant than the studio 20.

This is conjecture as I have not seen in depth measurements of the Studio 40 itself, but based on what I have seen from the build quality of the Paradigm Studio series speakers and the various models measured this would be my educated guess.

http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/508para/index4.html

 

[speakerman39]

Perhaps "Dollar Bill Phil" was looking for the best bang for the buck.

On second thought, no. You're just crazy.

LOL.........you know Adam you may have a point my friend. Sure isn't the first time I been told that........LOL!!!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

It is very possible that panel resonance played a factor. The smaller Studio 20 recently reviewed in Stereophile is a relatively [to the price point] low resonance speaker. The Studio 40 likely has the same or similar build quality, but is a larger loudspeaker meaning substantially more effort is required to alleviate these resonances due to increases surface area. This vast increase in required work is very cost prohibitive and likely not implemented [the norm for speaker companies] in the Studio 40 which would lead one to suspect it is more resonant than the studio 20.

This is conjecture as I have not seen in depth measurements of the Studio 40 itself, but based on what I have seen from the build quality of the Paradigm Studio series speakers and the various models measured this would be my educated guess.

http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/508para/index4.html

Never really thought of it that way, but you may be right. This may explain why I think the 20's are more articulate and punchier sounding. Thanks for offering some insights. So, see Adam I may not just be as crazy as some think-probably more so!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[gus6464]

Wow, gus this is good stuff. It sounds like SVS really outdone themselves on this one. Mazer feels the same way regarding the MBS-01's. One of these days, I may just have to check them out. It may be a while considering I am broke. Really can't even begin to imagine just how good the LTS line is going to be. Thanks for sharing gus.

Cheers,

Phil

While I don't think the MBS-01 is a perfect speaker, the reason I give them a lot of praise is because they compete above their price class. I can easily throw them in with speakers costing twice as much like the PSB M2, Dali Mentor 2, B&W 805S, Dynaudio Focus 140 and they will easily hold their own.

 

[speakerman39]

While I don't think the MBS-01 is a perfect speaker, the reason I give them a lot of praise is because they compete above their price class. I can easily throw them in with speakers costing twice as much like the PSB M2, Dali Mentor 2, B&W 805S, Dynaudio Focus 140 and they will easily hold their own.

Wow, I just have to get a listen to them then. Maybe down the road own some. Those are some very impressive speakers you are comparing the MBS-01's to. SVS knows what their doing. Kudos to them! Thanks for the info gus.

Cheers,

Phil