Least worst option for connecting existing speakers wireless for rear surround

[Kingnoob]

Reference level depends on what distance it is at and how long, 5 feet vs 16 feet is a huge difference, lol.

Yeah I can see why the low sensitivity could be an issue. Surely the towers can handle more volume but the center and bookshelves might struggle in that second much bigger room. I take it the pricier r series goes louder . But to blow driver you’d have to go loud…like 110db? Or 90-105 constant?
Theaters around here seem to use jbl .

To say they sound better than what I had is an incredible understatement. I played some of the same movie intros as before (e.g. Stranger Things for the base, some of the new Star Trek just for the variety of sound types) and not only was it immensely better, but I heard obvious things with the new setup that were completely absent in the old, I think from the surround.

One item of interest. I was marveling at the base, and thinking how well they worked with the sub (as I thought it must be carrying a lot of the load in some of the deep rumbling) only to notice while I hooked up the RCA cord I literally had not plugged the power in for the sub.

I may have to start watching movies down there myself as opposed to my office, not just when I have guests.

Thank you everyone for leaving me poor, but quite happy.

yeah any full sized speaker would sound significantly better then satellites. I’m only running like half my system , rest got stuck upstairs . And surround sound worked better upstairs no huge couch were I can’t put speakers on the sides or back . I bet these speakers look a lot better too. KEFs are 3 ways unlike what I’m using .

 

[Linwood]

Just to drag this topic kicking and screaming back to the original point, the RF speaker connection.

With the new AVR I get a better report on delay-distance for them, and it's adding about 20'. That pushes it up near but not to the apparent limit of what it can correct, so in a large room with say 20' actual distance, it would exceed the correct-ability.

But these are well within it, and with the pre-outs now on the new AVR hopefully are not being impacted significantly by going over RF.

Late to the party, I also found this site had reviewed that specific RF pair and gave them high marks. If I had read that before asking, I might not have posted, been pushed into brand new speakers, so.... good?

 

[everettT]

Just to drag this topic kicking and screaming back to the original point, the RF speaker connection.

With the new AVR I get a better report on delay-distance for them, and it's adding about 20'. That pushes it up near but not to the apparent limit of what it can correct, so in a large room with say 20' actual distance, it would exceed the correct-ability.

But these are well within it, and with the pre-outs now on the new AVR hopefully are not being impacted significantly by going over RF.

Late to the party, I also found this site had reviewed that specific RF pair and gave them high marks. If I had read that before asking, I might not have posted, been pushed into brand new speakers, so.... good?

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What are you crossing the surrounds at? Also what do you have the mains and center set at, crossover and speaker size?

 

[Linwood]

What are you crossing the surrounds at? Also what do you have the mains and center set at, crossover and speaker size?

I haven't gotten that far to understand, but more importantly I haven't finished moving furniture nor tried the Dirac Live, which I think resets all that anyway?

But here's what it shows now (perhaps from the AccuEQ run). A really odd part of this is that during that run, the Sub had the AC power unplugged, so I have no idea what it measured.

 

[everettT]

I haven't gotten that far to understand, but more importantly I haven't finished moving furniture nor tried the Dirac Live, which I think resets all that anyway?

But here's what it shows now (perhaps from the AccuEQ run). A really odd part of this is that during that run, the Sub had the AC power unplugged, so I have no idea what it measured.

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Thanks. Once you get your room setup you're gonna need to make adjustments to the crossovers and likely speaker sizes but no reason to mess with it now until your finished. BTW, and I may have missed it, what subwoofer are you using?

 

[Linwood]

Thanks. Once you get your room setup you're gonna need to make adjustments to the crossovers and likely speaker sizes but no reason to mess with it now until your finished. BTW, and I may have missed it, what subwoofer are you using?

Yeah, I needed to buy some more cables, and don't want to put all the furniture back until I stop going behind the receiver. Both AVR and Center were a bit larger than expected.

I also am trying to figure out of the paths I currently use for streaming stuff (an old Chromecast Ultra) still work. I had intended to use the receiver's built in one (TX-RZ50), but it's audio only, which seems to defeat the purpose on an aVr.

SW: I have an old Klipsch SW-350 - cheap and small, but I'm not even sure I need a SW with these fronts, so it did not seem worth the upgrade.

So... is it actually worth getting the USB microphone for Dirac Live? A goodly percent of what I read says 'yes', another group 'hardly matters'. If I'm taking 17 measurements all around the room I'd rather not do it more times than needed.

 

[everettT]

So... is it actually worth getting the USB microphone for Dirac Live? A goodly percent of what I read says 'yes', another group 'hardly matters'. If I'm taking 17 measurements all around the room I'd rather not do it more times than needed.

Dirac will be much better than AccuEq, but I'd wait and see first, you may be happy with the results. The Kef speakers are room friendly and it is really only below 200-400hz that would need correction.

 

[Linwood]

I ran dirac with the included mic and just the focused version, and to me everything got dull and much more quiet. I'm reading the bazillion posts on the general subject, but I also went ahead and ordered a good mic and mic stand so I can actually hit the right spots.

Before I worry a better run, with furniture moved, and better mic and positioning may yield better results.

 

[everettT]

I ran dirac with the included mic and just the focused version, and to me everything got dull and much more quiet. I'm reading the bazillion posts on the general subject, but I also went ahead and ordered a good mic and mic stand so I can actually hit the right spots.

Before I worry a better run, with furniture moved, and better mic and positioning may yield better results.

Yes, wait till everything is in position, no reason to chase your tail till everything is in place. Also, for reference, a neutral frequency response can sound dull if you're not used to hearing it. Just hold off a bit ...

 

[Linwood]

Yes, wait till everything is in position, no reason to chase your tail till everything is in place. Also, for reference, a neutral frequency response can sound dull if you're not used to hearing it. Just hold off a bit ...

Well, it came loaded with a 10db boost to base, and oddly a slight decrease for treble. But i see how to adjust.

 

[TLS Guy]

Well, it came loaded with a 10db boost to base, and oddly a slight decrease for treble. But i see how to adjust.

Make sure you set speaker levels correctly. Make sure you give it a listen before you engage Audyssey or Dirac. I don't use any of that on my three systems. Previously Audyssey has been a quality spoiler big time. On my AV 10 Audyssey barely changed anything and it was virtually identical to the way it is set up. I think those systems are not room equalizers but speaker equalizers. When I listened to the KEFs at Squishman's place I had so called room Eq off and it was fine. I had the subs off also. I thought their bass was actually satisfactory.

 

[ski2xblack]

I haven't had the pleasure of playing around with Dirac, heard it's decent as far as automagic calibration goes, but I can't say I'm a fan of the others. Good speakers typically don't need "room correction" eq. If you room is bedeviled with lumpy modal response, and for integrating subs, then it may come in handy.

 

[everettT]

Well, it came loaded with a 10db boost to base, and oddly a slight decrease for treble. But i see how to adjust.

Your mains will give your sub a run for it's money in mid-bass region, and waiting on your furniture and other room acoustic artifacts will be beneficial. I have little doubt the Dirac is better than AccuEq, but your speakers might not care. Only the lowest frequencies could be an issue for you.

 

[Linwood]

Your mains will give your sub a run for it's money in mid-bass region, and waiting on your furniture and other room acoustic artifacts will be beneficial. I have little doubt the Dirac is better than AccuEq, but your speakers might not care. Only the lowest frequencies could be an issue for you.

Which if I understand (with the free license in the RZ50) you have to pay $300 to fix.

A good mic and stand are coming tomorrow, I'll see. I wish it would change between quicker, there's about a 2 second blackout that makes it just a bit more difficult to compare on/off.

Cables came, furniture is back... I think it takes longer to clean up after construction than the construction. Tomorrow.

 

[everettT]

Which if I understand (with the free license in the RZ50) you have to pay $300 to fix.

A good mic and stand are coming tomorrow, I'll see. I wish it would change between quicker, there's about a 2 second blackout that makes it just a bit more difficult to compare on/off.

Cables came, furniture is back... I think it takes longer to clean up after construction than the construction. Tomorrow.

The Dirac bass licence is worth it, especially if you have capable sub/s. Have you looked at REW yet?

 

[Linwood]

The Dirac bass licence is worth it, especially if you have capable sub/s. Have you looked at REW yet?

I don't have a good sub. I think I (now) have good fronts with low frequency strength (Q11).

Isn't REW just a different Dirac variant except it expects the user to be more competent?

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't have a good sub. I think I (now) have good fronts with low frequency strength (Q11).

Isn't REW just a different Dirac variant except it expects the user to be more competent?

Having a decent sub is one thing, integrating it another.

 

[TLS Guy]

Having a decent sub is one thing, integrating it another.

And that is why I have a seamless integrated design.