Inside pictures of an $8000 Mcintosh MX135 pre/pro.

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highfihoney

highfihoney

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Tawnos,if your serious about selling the mx-135 & the mc 501 monoblocks post your selling prices seperately for the monoblocks & the processor,if the prices are to my liking then we can close a quick & painless deal with cash.

I have buku references for deals of this size, if you need them just pm me.
 
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Nick250

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Have you guys read the about the Jag's poor build quality, sub par reliability and how fast it depriciates? Yikes!

Nick
 
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zumbo

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Nick250 said:
Have you guys read the about the Jag's poor build quality, sub par reliability and how fast it depriciates? Yikes!

Nick
Yep. That's why I go for a BMW. The ultimate driving machine.
 
emorphien

emorphien

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zumbo said:
Yep. That's why I go for a BMW. The ultimate driving machine.
not exactly a pinnacle of reliability either though
 
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zumbo

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emorphien said:
not exactly a pinnacle of reliability either though
Hmmm. I beg to differ.

While not Toyota/Lexus reliability, reliable none-the-less. And, maintenance is part of the price. Paid for up front. If you have the money to drive a BMW, you have the money to get a new one in four years.
 
no. 5

no. 5

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zumbo said:
While not Toyota/Lexus reliability, reliable none-the-less.
at least it's better than a Jag. AND more fun to drive.
personaly, I'll go with a IS350. :D
 
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Tawnos

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Tawnos,if your serious about selling the mx-135 & the mc 501 monoblocks post your selling prices seperately for the monoblocks & the processor,if the prices are to my liking then we can close a quick & painless deal with cash.
I will trade in the MX135 for the MX136 and sell as new and if that won't work then I will work my way up to the AP1000 when it comes out and go with it. I would never sell something for 50-70% off the MSRP just because it is used.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

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Tawnos said:
I will trade in the MX135 for the MX136 and sell as new and if that won't work then I will work my way up to the AP1000 when it comes out and go with it. I would never sell something for 50-70% off the MSRP just because it is used.
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I'm confused. If you think Mcintosh is overpriced junk that is in essence the equivalent of a $1500 Yamaha, why would you possibly buy any more Mcintosh equipment? Why wouldn't you just sell what you have and buy a different brand that you don't consider to be a ripoff and you consider to be well made and well worth the money?

Jack
 
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Tawnos

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I'm confused. If you think Mcintosh is overpriced junk that is in essence the equivalent of a $1500 Yamaha, why would you possibly buy any more Mcintosh equipment? Why wouldn't you just sell what you have and buy a different brand that you don't consider to be a ripoff and you consider to be well made and well worth the money?
Wow has the forum ever been slow! Anyways, as I said before I can trade in the MX135 for a MX136 and sell that as new instead of selling the MX135 used and losing a pile of money.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

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Why keep this trolling up tawnos,the thread was dead:cool:
 
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alphamajor

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I just feel that I need to weigh in on the subject once again.

Okay, so you found out that Yamaha is using the same DSP processor as what is in the McIntosh. Is it just the same DSP chip, or is it the same processor board by Momentum? I would think that it is not the Momentum board in the Yamaha and is likely a different board, or perhaps even Yamaha's own board design using the chip. If the later is the case, then you have to question the quality of Yamaha's design versus that of Momentum. You also have to consider how good of a design the Momentum is in the first place.

Even aside from all that, once you have a processor board, such as the Momentum or something else, you have to know how to use it. The quality of the circuitry and design that is outisde of the processor can make or break the quality of the signals. Such issues as noise isolation/rejection, proper grounding and the speed/slew rate of electronic components can readily effect how well the processor will perform. If the design isn't well thought out and capable of delivering signals up to the capability of the processor, then it doens't matter if it's the same processor used in a McIntosh, Denon, Marantz, Yamaha or whatever else. A system is only as good as it's lowest quality component/design. A processor is programmed to do what it needs to do, any limitations that aren't in the programming are due to either the limitations of the chip, or the limitations of the supporting circuitry. The only way to get the most out of a processor is to have the outside circuitry meet or beat the processors requirements.

With that having been said, I would not be totally surprised to find higher quality circuitry in the McIntosh than in the Yamaha. First off, there is more space to do stuff with circuitry-wise in the McIntosh than in the Yamaha. Also consider that Yamaha is a global company that has to meet deadlines and price points for consumers, therefore they have constraints on what they can do.

Now, I'm not saying Yamaha is a bad product, they make some great stuff. They just don't have the "freedom" that some of the higher end low volume brands do. On the other hand, I'm not saying that the McIntosh is necessarily better than the Yamaha or something else that uses the same DSP processor. It's all a matter of how well they did their homework.

All I'm saying here is that the DSP processor alone does not make for a fair comparison between receivers/preprocessors.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

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A Troll Exposed.

This guy is a total troll,he started out over at AVS with the username of TAWNOS then after getting into his usual high end bashing threads he started in over here under the username of TAWNOS,after hijacking another thread to start this mess he then started this thread,in the hijacked thread he was told to move along by the moderators so he went back over to AVS & under the username of "NEVERWINTER2" proceeded to start another mess,after the thread turned to crap as expected & he kept up with this nonsense he was PUBLICLY CONTACTED BY MCINTOSH LABS.

Here is a copy of the post on AVS from Chuck Hinton of Mcintosh labs.

Hi guy's,Chuck Hinton from Mcintosh tech support here,somebody sent me a link to this thread so i joined up so i could respond.

First off thanks to all the guy's here for their support,you covered nearly every comment i might make on this subject.

As for the guy who started this thread,i am very sorry that you are unhappy with your mx-135 purchase.While it's obviously true that of all of the money we spend making our products not every dollar add's to the sound quality but we like what we build & we feel it's worth it.

The price is a function of the cost & we dont make any more profit than any other company making a product,we spend a ton of money building them & we charge a ton of money plus a little so we can feed & clothe the families of 163 workers here in Binghamton NY ( and the workers at the companies in the USA who make our glass,steel,magnet wire,raw circut boards,cardboard box'es ect).

You are obviously very sad about the purchase,if you would like to tell me where & when you bought the unit & the serial # I will use my contacts to get you the highest possible amount of money back out of it.

Beacuse Mcintosh did not sell you the unit ( a dealer did ) I cant offer you a full refund unless I want to start working at best buy tomorrow but I hate to see an un-happy Mcintosh customer so let's get you out from under this albatross with Yamaha gut's & into a stereo you are happy with.

Please feel free to email me or call me M-F 9 to 5 at 1-800-538-6576 ext 311.

Yours in service.
Chuck Hinton of Mcintosh lab's tech support.


Tawnos's or NEVERWINTER2'S response to the offer was this.

I like my dealer & i dont want to get them involved.

This is a long post & for that i am sorry but those of you who know me or know how i post know that i hate gear bashers weather they are bashing pioneer,polk,yamaha or even my favorite brand which is mcintosh,troll's like this guy need to be exposed for what they are.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

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highfihoney said:
Thanks for pointing out that other post. And Kudo's to Mcintosh for the way they handled it - definately a class act.

Jack
 
stratman

stratman

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That was awfully nice of Mac, way to go. Buying high end stuff has it's perks too, and it shows, how many globals would have responded like that?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
highfihoney said:
Why keep this trolling up tawnos,the thread was dead:cool:
It was a good read though, I am glad it was revived. It is crazy how many posts where made in just one day.:eek:
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

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Seth=L said:
It was a good read though, I am glad it was revived. It is crazy how many posts where made in just one day.:eek:
Can you imagine being his dealer:eek: The one that he likes:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

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My understanding of processors-

The CPU of an audio/video processor is similar to a simple server computer system. It uses RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer). It has millions of transistors in to one semi-conductive chip. It calculates and delegates tasks, that is all it does. What dictates the performance outside that?, all the other parts, just like a computer. If a computer has a very good processor, but is poorly integrated (cheaply integrated), has to little RAM, cheap video or video card, or inadequate power you get a low performance system.

McIntosh does large amounts of research (research costs money) and attempts to make a very well integrated product.

That is all I have got.
 
stratman

stratman

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The bottom line is implementation, the weakest link in the chain is your Achille's heel. It'll bring everything down.
 
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