In-wall rear surround recommendations

[William Lemmerhirt]

I thought you adjusted with the mini first then run audyssey.

That’s been my experience as well. But if you ask 10 different people, you’ll probably get 10 different answers. IMO, pogres results speak for themselves but I’ve had good results the other way too. I believe the theory is run minidsp first, then audyssey has an easier time by way of less to do. Conversely, running audyssey first would likely make it easier to use rew filters in the minidsp.

Chicken.....meet egg.....

 

[mossman77]

That’s been my experience as well. But if you ask 10 different people, you’ll probably get 10 different answers. IMO, pogres results speak for themselves but I’ve had good results the other way too. I believe the theory is run minidsp first, then audyssey has an easier time by way of less to do. Conversely, running audyssey first would likely make it easier to use rew filters in the minidsp.

Chicken.....meet egg.....

Gotcha. So perhaps audyssey first, then miniDSP, then Audyssey again.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Gotcha. So perhaps audyssey first, then miniDSP, then Audyssey again.

Definitely not. Only run each ONCE. Otherwise audyssey will be correcting itself correcting minidsp.

 

[mossman77]

Definitely not. Only fun each ONCE. Otherwise audyssey will be correcting itself correcting minidsp.

Right, makes sense. That just occurred to me.

 

[ryanosaur]

Only Run each ONCE. Otherwise audyssey will be correcting itself correcting minidsp.

this.
and since audyssey will reset what it did in the first place, by running it again, that correction won't even exist.

 

[ryanosaur]

Though you don't have XT32, I still like the idea of running Audyssey first, then checking the situation with REW. You can always kill Audyssey if its not helping. (a simple rew sweep before and after audyssey will show whats being done.)
XT32 + the App just gives you beter control... perhaps better algorithms being employed... but the deciding factor for me, with regards to the app, was the curtain you could set to only work on correcting below a certain frequency (usually between 200-300 Hz, called the Schroeder Frequency).
I think Bill's way would work too, but Auudyssey is the wild card and you might find yourself doing all this work in REW/M-DSP that Audyssey changes and you have to tweak again.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Though you don't have XT32, I still like the idea of running Audyssey first, then checking the situation with REW. You can always kill Audyssey if its not helping. (a simple rew sweep before and after audyssey will show whats being done.)
XT32 + the App just gives you beter control... perhaps better algorithms being employed... but the deciding factor for me, with regards to the app, was the curtain you could set to only work on correcting below a certain frequency (usually between 200-300 Hz, called the Schroeder Frequency).
I think Bill's way would work too, but Auudyssey is the wild card and you might find yourself doing all this work in REW/M-DSP that Audyssey changes and you have to tweak again.

I think you have me and poges backwards. He found better results with rew/minidsp first and I did with audyssey first. In my situation, audyssey messed up what rew did. I can’t reconcile that, and like I said, pogre got great results. Here’s my last one just for fun.

 

[ryanosaur]

I think you have me and poges backwards.

Ha! A distinct possibility. This threads gone all over the place!

 

[Pogre]

I think you have me and poges backwards. He found better results with rew/minidsp first and I did with audyssey first. In my situation, audyssey messed up what rew did. I can’t reconcile that, and like I said, pogre got great results. Here’s my last one just for fun.

The same thing happened to me Bill. I've tried it a few different ways and found that Audyssey would actually mess things up if I applied any filters with REW first.

I think to start, Grant had me start with sweeps and REW. Use REW to generate some filters and apply them to my (input section) Mini. Then I ran Audyssey, THEN I would go to the output section and tweak. That did work well, but I didn't like the idea of basically applying 3 sets of filters.

So I switched it up. It just makes more sense to me, to do the Audyssey calibration first and let it do its thing, which is really taming the peaks and it does well there. Also great for level matching and distance. Then I do more sweeps, go into the Mini, tweak it up and try to do as little damage as possible, lol.

 

[snakeeyes]

So maybe let’s see the OP’s graph with
2 new subs. Maybe it’s not as bad as we think.

 

[Pogre]

S'cuse me, I just found something and I think I'm just gonna drop it right below here...

PC2000 in SVS' outlet for ONLY $699

SVS’s proprietary cylinder cabinet design to sharply reduce its footprint. An unshakeable 12-inch down-firing driver and 500 watts RMS, 1,100 watts peak power Sledge amplifier produce deep low frequency extension and room-shaking output typical of much larger powered subwoofers, without sacrificing floor space.

*Pogre whistles innocently and casually strolls away...*

 

[mossman77]

S'cuse me, I just found something and I think I'm just gonna drop it right below here...

PC2000 in SVS' outlet for ONLY $699

SVS’s proprietary cylinder cabinet design to sharply reduce its footprint. An unshakeable 12-inch down-firing driver and 500 watts RMS, 1,100 watts peak power Sledge amplifier produce deep low frequency extension and room-shaking output typical of much larger powered subwoofers, without sacrificing floor space.

*Pogre whistles innocently and casually strolls away...*

 

[Pogre]

Honest to god, that's tempting for me even! I just don't know how well a PC2000 would blend with my other 2. It could be a hindrance.

@William Lemmerhirt! Your presence has been requested!

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Honest to god, that's tempting for me even! I just don't know how well a PC2000 would blend with my other 2. It could be a hindrance.

@William Lemmerhirt! Your presence has been requested!

Yes my friend! I humbly offer any meager assistance I can. How can I help?

 

[mossman77]

 

[mossman77]

Any Audioholic recommended vendors for purchasing the miniDSP with mic?

 

[Pogre]

Yes my friend! I humbly offer any meager assistance I can. How can I help?

How do you think a PC2000 would blend in with my system? I have many places I could stick one!

I'm not going to be buying one anytime soon, but for curiosity and future's sake...

 

[Pogre]

Any Audioholic recommended vendors for purchasing the miniDSP with mic?

I see you ignoring my PC2000 post!

I ordered mine direct from the site. You can get the mic and Mini combo I think for $205?

*Edit: $205 for the Mini alone. $280 with the mic.

miniDSP 2x4 HD

MiniDSP 2x4 HD, a USB DAC+DSP in a low cost package powered by a powerful Sharc 400MHz floating point DSP. The upgraded on-board 400 MHz Analog Devices SHARC processor also ena-bles substantial processing upgrades previously available only on more ex-pensive platforms, such as 96 kHz internal...

www.minidsp.com

 

[CajunLB]

S'cuse me, I just found something and I think I'm just gonna drop it right below here...

PC2000 in SVS' outlet for ONLY $699

SVS’s proprietary cylinder cabinet design to sharply reduce its footprint. An unshakeable 12-inch down-firing driver and 500 watts RMS, 1,100 watts peak power Sledge amplifier produce deep low frequency extension and room-shaking output typical of much larger powered subwoofers, without sacrificing floor space.

*Pogre whistles innocently and casually strolls away...*

But it’s to tall and the port is on the wrong side.

 

[Pogre]

But it’s to tall and the port is on the wrong side.