I'm so angry with the U.S. and Chinese governments right now!

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KEW

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I think he could get more done if the press would stop making up the news, reports would be complete and people would read the whole story and not just the headlines (like the girl who died in US custody, but was denied food and water by her father for days before reaching the border). It would also help if the members of Congress would sit back, shut up and think about what their job is. Schumer is particularly annoying, since he has been saying things that directly contradict what he said in the past and many videos are available showing him talking about these issues in the past.

Our government hasn't been 'functional' for a long time but with people like Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, Ocasio-Cortez and others like them, we're headed in a bad direction.

I know it will be seen as a 'whataboutism', but others have blocked their personal info before, he's just the last one to do it and no, I have posted many times that if someone wants to be POTUS, they need to bare their soul (if they actually have one). He has a lot of negatives, but that doesn't make him unique, in any way. His are just different from those of others in government. He does, however, come from a different angle and that makes the typical political crowd extremely uncomfortable, to say the least. They don't know how to deal with him, so they're trying to block everything he does and a lot of what he's doing should have been done before, by the people who are trying to block him.

A lot of what people dislike most about him is how he speaks- he sounds like a kid on a New Jersey playground and his tweets are making peoples' hair explode, but does it seem likely that he's sitting there, typing with his thumbs, or speaking into the phone? He's busy- he doesn't have time to fumble and if he reads his tweets, spelling is of less concern than what he's saying. I know a helluva lot of people who couldn't win a 2nd Grade spelling bee, but are engineers, architects, doctors, lawyers and executives- either they can't see errors, they think spell check will catch everything, they have others to correct it or they don't care. That's not the issue, but too many people make it one.

As much as I dislike him as a person, I dislike the Clintons more. Bill has a lot of charisma that get him into some sticky situations but one difference between the two- Clinton did it while he was in office and THAT, IMO should have resulted in harsher consequences. Hell, it didn't even matter to the people who re-elected him. He had a much more cooperative Congress, too. Trump is an outsider, so the Democrats and many moderate Republicans won't work with him.

We can debate this until the end of time but the sad fact is, the majority of American voters know nothing about how government works, how it COULD work and where the country is going. Too many see helping others as Socialism, when it's just people being humane but when they get all lathered up over what they see in the media, rational thinking goes out the window. Some aspects of Socialism are OK, but the fact remains, no purely Socialist government has lasted very long because those at the top will always want more for themselves, which pisses off the rest. Communism doesn't work, if there's ANY desire for people to have some small amount of ambition. In Wisconsin, we have had school vouchers for a short time and they're working well to get kids out of the inner city schools and into a situation where they can learn. Inner city parents jumped at the chance and before that, they would scrape their money together and get any aid that was available, so they could send their kids to parochial or private schools. This started in Sweden and they found that it works. The rationale was that it costs a certain amount to send each kid to school, so why not let parents decide where they go? Makes sense and it's one of the reasons people would choose a neighborhood but then, government decided they couldn't make that choice. Unfortunately, the kids whose parents couldn't afford to get out were stuck in the city schools but that's EXACTLY where the cities should have stepped up and made a difference- THEY had the choice to make schools a place where kids go to learn, to interest them in the way out of poverty and where it could be safe. Here, they have failed miserably. In Chicago, there's Urban Prep Academy that has 100% Black students, 100% graduation and the kids wear uniforms. They college acceptance may actually be >100%, many kids having been accepted to more than one school. I watched a show about them and some kids were offered over $45K/year in scholarships. My point- it's possible, but there's too much bureaucracy.

I have said, for a long time, "The ones we get aren't the ones we need and the ones we need aren't the ones we get".
Thanks for the thoughtful response!
As I suspected we actually agree on many values. I think the key difference is I believe NPR is reporting the news more accurately than Trump and you believe the opposite.

Just as a reminder, I don't think Bill Clinton faced any legal punishment for having sex with Monica, all of the charges were founded on how he lied to try to avoid "getting caught" not the deed itself. Similarly, I think all of Trump's liability from the two affairs he had will be based on the campaign finance laws and not telling the truth (although I'm not sure he has lied about it under oath or to the FBI, vs to the American people). Both committed ethical violations that were essentially between them and their wife, but I guess there is no true law against cheating on your wife that the courts pursue. But to your point, legally, it is not about when they committed acts of infidelity, it is about when they paid off the women (in Trumps case) or when they lied under oath in Clinton's (and Trump's?) case.
If Trump had simply confessed and said he had gone through some rough times with Melania, shown humility and apologized instead of buying the girls off; he probably could have gotten out of the situation with no real consequence. However, we cannot ignore the timing of the "grabbing pussy" tape, which was about when he decided to pay off the girls.It may be that the combination of both coming to light at the same late time of his campaign would have reached a critical mass where he would lose the votes of too many people.
That had to be part of his calculus in deciding to pay hush money.
 
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Hetfield

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Thanks for the thoughtful response!
As I suspected we actually agree on many values. I think the key difference is I believe NPR is reporting the news more accurately than Trump and you believe the opposite.

Just as a reminder, I don't think Bill Clinton faced any legal punishment for having sex with Monica, all of the charges were founded on how he lied to try to avoid "getting caught" not the deed itself. Similarly, I think all of Trump's liability from the two affairs he had will be based on the campaign finance laws and not telling the truth (although I'm not sure he has lied about it under oath or to the FBI, vs to the American people). Both committed ethical violations that were essentially between them and their wife, but I guess there is no true law against cheating on your wife that the courts pursue. But to your point, legally, it is not about when they committed acts of infidelity, it is about when they paid off the women (in Trumps case) or when they lied under oath in Clinton's (and Trump's?) case.
If Trump had simply confessed and said he had gone through some rough times with Melania, shown humility and apologized instead of buying the girls off; he probably could have gotten out of the situation with no real consequence. However, we cannot ignore the timing of the "grabbing pussy" tape, which was about when he decided to pay off the girls.It may be that the combination of both coming to light at the same late time of his campaign would have reached a critical mass where he would lose the votes of too many people.
That had to be part of his calculus in deciding to pay hush money.
Oh you mean that little discretion of paying a porn star to have unprotected sex 3 months after his son was born? That little thing. It's unbelievably what this guy has gotten away with.
Oh he also paid a Playboy model also for the same thing.

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Oh you mean that little discretion of paying a porn star to have unprotected sex 3 months after his son was born? That little thing. It's unbelievably what this guy has gotten away with.
Oh he also paid a Playboy model also for the same thing.

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Just the kind of consideration you'd expect from our leader, right? I hope he's got his hot little hand in the payoff from campaign funds even if they don't prosecute until the end of his term. Funny how the conservs/right/repubs were aghast at getting a blow job from an intern vs the farce that the orange one makes of marriage.
 
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Just the kind of consideration you'd expect from our leader, right? I hope he's got his hot little hand in the payoff from campaign funds even if they don't prosecute until the end of his term. Funny how the conservs/right/repubs were aghast at getting a blow job from an intern vs the farce that the orange one makes of marriage.
When you are orange and piece of garbage you get away with it I guess. Orin Hatch was the biggest freak out artist when Bill Clinton had his issue but now Hatch doesn't care. hmmm wonder why?

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The press is what it is; better to have one than the idea that you and your boy drumpf are advocating of banning the press and operating in the darkness the old republican guard has become...paranoid, scared and relatively stupid. Yes, immigrants, especially the original european ones, nearly killed off the whole new world with their infectious diseases....sometimes what goes around comes around? For crime all I have to do is look to the white house....biggest criminal ever as president.
My boy? Might want to read my posts. He's not 'my boy', but I would like to see if he can actually get something done without the hounding that is just for the sake of it. The stuff he brings on himself can remain. I'd also like him to get a freaking 'Word A Day' calendar so he can get a vocabulary.

The immigrants in the 17th Century did use disease to kill the native people, but that was a local event- it wouldn't have come anywhere near killing off the whole new world. Doesn't make it right, though. Are you saying that all of those original immigrants were Conservative and similar to today's Republicans?

Biggest criminal ever? Hardly. A big turd? Definitely. We'll see if he's prosecuted.
 
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Hetfield

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My boy? Might want to read my posts. He's not 'my boy', but I would like to see if he can actually get something done without the hounding that is just for the sake of it. The stuff he brings on himself can remain. I'd also like him to get a freaking 'Word A Day' calendar so he can get a vocabulary.

The immigrants in the 17th Century did use disease to kill the native people, but that was a local event- it wouldn't have come anywhere near killing off the whole new world. Doesn't make it right, though. Are you saying that all of those original immigrants were Conservative and similar to today's Republicans?

Biggest criminal ever? Hardly. A big turd? Definitely. We'll see if he's prosecuted.
The last president was hounded daily and accused by that orange clown of not being born in the USA. That orange clown said he had investigators in Hawaii and you wouldn't believe what they found. If I were a reporter I'd have one set of questions EVERY SINGLE day. What did those investigators find? And when he didn't answer I'd say thanks clown.

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The last president was hounded daily and accused by that orange clown of not being born in the USA. That orange clown said he had investigators in Hawaii and you wouldn't believe what they found. If I were a reporter I'd have one set of questions EVERY SINGLE day. What did those investigators find? And when he didn't answer I'd say thanks clown.

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People say a lot of things. I still think Trump needs a muzzle and handlers.

Obama blocked Fox News from the press room, declared that his wife was off-limits for investigation and is one of the most narcissistic Presidents we have had.
 
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Hetfield

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People say a lot of things. I still think Trump needs a muzzle and handlers.

Obama blocked Fox News from the press room, declared that his wife was off-limits for investigation and is one of the most narcissistic Presidents we have had.
You are flat out, out of your mind. He did do that to Fox news and back down when other networks came to their defense. Fox news pushed on a nightly basis this nutty birther BS which actually was fake news. He was the most unfairly treated president in history to the point a congressman yelled at him at a state of the union address. He didn't declare his wife "uninvestigatable". I don't even know where that came from. Probably the same GOP nut bag tinfoil hate bat poop crazy place they get everything else.

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People say a lot of things. I still think Trump needs a muzzle and handlers.

Obama blocked Fox News from the press room, declared that his wife was off-limits for investigation and is one of the most narcissistic Presidents we have had.
Oh he didn't block Fox news from the press room, he sat them off the first row.

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lovinthehd

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My boy? Might want to read my posts. He's not 'my boy', but I would like to see if he can actually get something done without the hounding that is just for the sake of it. The stuff he brings on himself can remain. I'd also like him to get a freaking 'Word A Day' calendar so he can get a vocabulary.

The immigrants in the 17th Century did use disease to kill the native people, but that was a local event- it wouldn't have come anywhere near killing off the whole new world. Doesn't make it right, though. Are you saying that all of those original immigrants were Conservative and similar to today's Republicans?

Biggest criminal ever? Hardly. A big turd? Definitely. We'll see if he's prosecuted.
You're supporting him, he's your boy. Just what is he getting done particularly? You still thinking about the stupid wall? He hasn't undone enough environmental protections for you? Not supporting old fossil fuel industries sufficiently at our expense? Not a criminal? LOL.
 
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shadyJ

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#37
People say a lot of things. I still think Trump needs a muzzle and handlers.

Obama blocked Fox News from the press room, declared that his wife was off-limits for investigation and is one of the most narcissistic Presidents we have had.
Calling Obama narcissistic in the face of Trump is the height of insanity. Pure reactionary eco-chamber nonsense.
 
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shadyJ

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The last president was hounded daily and accused by that orange clown of not being born in the USA. That orange clown said he had investigators in Hawaii and you wouldn't believe what they found. If I were a reporter I'd have one set of questions EVERY SINGLE day. What did those investigators find? And when he didn't answer I'd say thanks clown.
Trump's big circus show about Obama not being born in America was one of the most overtly racist political theater in the last 30 years, and America rewarded this evil goon with the office of the presidency. The good news is that the facade has been dropped for much of America's minority populations. A lot of non-whites now plainly see that they are despised by conservative Americans because of the color of their skin. Trump has neatly dispensed with the last shred of plausibility than any republican could deny that their party is racist. So at least he has that going for him.
 
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Calling Obama narcissistic in the face of Trump is the height of insanity. Pure reactionary eco-chamber nonsense.
When I hear them describe Obama as arrogant or an narcissistic I have to say it stems from the color of his skin and how articulate and smart is. Not policy smart, but pure intelligence. It's the equivalent to when they used to use the term "upity" in my opinion.
Who said this? I went to the best schools, I am smarter than they are, I have a nicer apartment that then they do. I'll give you hint, he's disgusting orange color. He is the most arrogant person the world has ever produced.

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When I hear them describe Obama as arrogant or an narcissistic I have to say it stems from the color of his skin and how articulate and smart is. Not policy smart, but pure intelligence. It's the equivalent to when they used to use the term "upity" in my opinion.
Who said this? I went to the best schools, I am smarter than they are, I have a nicer apartment that then they do. I'll give you hint, he's disgusting orange color. He is the most arrogant person the world has ever produced.

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The funny thing is Trump's arrogance is a classic case of Dunning-Kruger effect. The amount of gaffes and unforced errors he makes is unbelievable. He has like a 30 word vocabulary too, yet he says "I know all the best words." No one with a grasp of English past a third grade speech and vocabulary level would ever utter such a statement. The man is nigh illiterate, yet he believes himself to be a genius. It would be very funny if his actions weren't actually causing so much real harm. But tragedy plus time equals comedy, so I am sure all of the future movies made about his presidency will be comedies.
 

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