I was excited about vsx-1020, now I'm concerned

[Eyecantcode]

Hey Sholling, I just received the elite and I don't think I can wait until the subs get here. I said I would wait, but I just can't take it

Subs are not gonna arrive until the 20th............................................The receiver looks Soooooooo beautiful. I can do this.............Woooosaaah

 

[Seth=L]

Pioneer Elite gear is beautiful. I just got a Pioneer Elite PD-F27. For a multi-disc changer, I think it looks great.

 

[Eyecantcode]

Is that a blu-Ray disc changer?

 

[Seth=L]

Is that a blu-Ray disc changer?

No it's a CD changer. I found one for a song.

 

[Eyecantcode]

Oh the he'll with this, I'm hooking my Elite up when I get home.

 

[Eyecantcode]

Oh the he'll with this, I'm hooking my Elite up when I get home.

WOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This, this, this, can't be what I'm hearing.

I mean where is this bass coming from? I don't have a sub woofer connected. No amp! No sub! Just Ellite

I had the receiver on 0db (I was afraid to turn it up beyond that) and My son an I couldn't hear one another speak unless we were literally screaming.....................Honest.

It sounded nothing like this with my little HTIB. The bass; where is it coming from. I mean I know its coming from the connected speakers, but that deep I thought I'd need a sub for that.

Hey seth and sholling, why didn't you guys tell me it would be this loud with no amp

 

[sholling]

Now that you know you have plenty of power you can get a great big gnarly sub.

 

[sholling]

When does the sub get there?

 

[Eyecantcode]

When does the sub get there?

They both should be here by the 19 or the 20th

Now that you know you have plenty of power you can get a great big gnarly sub.

How about two semi gnarly subs

I'm going to purchase 2 floorstanding surrounds and hook them all up to the avr and see how I like it. I did find while listening to music, the LR ch bottomed out at low bass lines. Had to adjust things so that I could turn the volume up without the speakers bottoming out.

 

[sholling]

They both should be here by the 19 or the 20th



How about two semi gnarly subs

I'm going to purchase 2 floorstanding surrounds and hook them all up to the avr and see how I like it. I did find while listening to music, the LR ch bottomed out at low bass lines. Had to adjust things so that I could turn the volume up without the speakers bottoming out.

I'd go easy until the subs get here. You may also want to invest in Subdude/Grammas for those subs once you try them out.

 

[Eyecantcode]

You may also want to invest in Subdude/Grammas for those subs once you try them out.

what is that?

 

[njedpx3]

subwoofer isolation

what is that?

subwoofer isolation - http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Subwoofer-Isolation-15x15x2-inch-Charcoal/dp/B001140OZ0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=musical-instruments&qid=1273962085&sr=8-3

 

[sholling]

what is that?

They isolate the sub(s) from the floor. There is a whole long thread on the subject.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65084&highlight=subdude

They come in 3 sizes:

SubDude/SubDude HD
Dimensions:
15" x 15" x 2.5"

GRAMMA
Dimensions:
23" long x 15" wide x 2.75" high
Weight Limit: 300lbs.

Great GRAMMA
Dimensions:
30" long x 19" wide x 2.75" high
Weight Limit: 300lbs.

 

[Eyecantcode]

Can sub placement cause boominess?

I was doing some reading on speaker placement and read that placing a sub in the corner gives you deeper bass and placing it in the open gives much tighter bass. Does placing it in the corner actually give deeper bass or are they referring to boomy bass? Now I mostly deal with car audio, and what I consider boomy bass is guys who's bass only sounds loose and deep (boomy) from a distance and as they get closer the deeps begins to fade and so does the actual volume. That's how my htib sub is; the impression of the bass is deeper in another room as opposed from the listening area.

 

[Eyecantcode]

OK, got my subs and hooked them up and I'm very disappointed. Not at the subs, my living room. There is only one place in the whole room that sounds good and that's in a corner. Not any corner, just the one corner I was very skeptical of the crawling around technique, but it works The reason I want 2 subs is to fill the room up as much as I can. I have to put both subs in the same corner to take advantage of the 2 sub setup. Don't get me wrong, with the 2 in the corner and I'm sitting in my listening area, the subs slam like crazy But like I said, slamming in the listening area only is not really what I'm after.

When I first ran the calibration (before I did the crawl thing), I had the subs in the front between the towers; I felt I was lacking. In the front, each sub was about 6ft from on open doorway to anther room. When I did the crawl thing and placed the subs in the corner, I didn't run the calibration. It sounded good but I have a problem. When I turn the volume up on the receiver to -10db, the bass starts dropping off. Now when I turn the volume to around -29db the bass is massive. I tinkered with the crossover on each sub but no change. Should I run the calibration again with the subs in the corner, or is there a setting in the receiver that needs to be adjusted. If its a calibration thing, how do I get the best results. Ex. crossover settings, the volume on the sub high, low, or in the middle, etc.

 

[sholling]

I was doing some reading on speaker placement and read that placing a sub in the corner gives you deeper bass and placing it in the open gives much tighter bass. Does placing it in the corner actually give deeper bass or are they referring to boomy bass? Now I mostly deal with car audio, and what I consider boomy bass is guys who's bass only sounds loose and deep (boomy) from a distance and as they get closer the deeps begins to fade and so does the actual volume. That's how my htib sub is; the impression of the bass is deeper in another room as opposed from the listening area.

Either - it depends on the room. I personally like to put mine mid-wall but if you don't have enough sub for a room putting the sub in the corner can add volume and/or add boom. Think of a megaphone.

Also keep in mind phase and frequency cancellations between the speakers and subwoofer. Now add in room reflections and frequency emphasis and frequency cancellation caused by the reflections. Placement has a huge effect on all of those. So does the phase setting and in some cases a bass trap or two. If it were me I'd try putting one mid wall to the right and left. Then turn one off and get the phase setting dialed in. Then turn it off and dial in the other, then turn both on and give a listen. Not happy - try the same steps with both in front. Not happy try one front and one in back with the same steps. Not happy then try both in back several feet apart.

BTW if you are using the subwoofer-out on your receiver then the crossover control on the sub is doing nothing. Set it as high as possible and leave it alone. The only controls on the sub that effect anything are the on/off switch and the phase control. Do some reading in the stickies.

It's funny years ago I measured "awesome bass" by boom and walls rattling. But today if you didn't know to look for a subwoofer you'd never know that I own a monster of a sub. It takes a bit of getting used to fully transparent deep and powerful bass that's just there and calls no attention at all to the sub.

 

[Eyecantcode]

I personally like to put mine mid-wall but if you don't have enough sub for a room putting the sub in the corner can add volume and/or add boom. Think of a megaphone.

Rear mid wall is pretty much the same with less boom than in the corner. The front had me feeling like something was missing. When I had the sub in the listening area and crawled in the front, it sounded as if the sub wasn't in a box. I'm sure you've heard a sub playing outside a box. That's how it sounds everywhere other than the one corner and rear mid wall.

Also keep in mind phase and frequency cancellations between the speakers and subwoofer.

I have the speakers set to small and yes on the sub. The subs only have a switch for the phase; 0 or 180

 

[sholling]

Rear mid wall is pretty much the same with less boom than in the corner. The front had me feeling like something was missing. When I had the sub in the listening area and crawled in the front, it sounded as if the sub wasn't in a box. I'm sure you've heard a sub playing outside a box. That's how it sounds everywhere other than the one corner and rear mid wall.

Actually I've never played just a driver. I think I'd create a new thread in the subwoofer room at this point so that the right people are reading it.

 

[sholling]

This sticky from the subwoofer room may be of help.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65220