Hmm, Boycott is a understatement.

[Rob Babcock]

Now I'd buy the burning goat head stamp!

 

[Nomo]

There are dozens of stamps honoring Christian and Jewish celebrations of Christmas and Hanuka (spellcheck please), Big deal! Only radicals seem to get bent out of shape over those stamps. Obviously the government's purpose was not to honor those responsible for 9/11 and such, but to show respect for the religion that those who are responsible hide behind only to the shame of the majority of Muslims. It is possible.. just maybe, that this stamp was meant for the Muslims who have been unjustly persecuted against for the acts of a small sector of their population?

 

[Rob Babcock]

Great- now everyone who's persecuted will get a stamp. That will make everything better. Who's next, Irish potato farmers? Lawyers?

 

[brian32672]

I knew it was only a matter of time... Yeah, someone was immature enough to give me a negative chicklet for this post
Thanks so much you idiot, yeah that means you (you know who you are)

 

[Nomo]

Great- now everyone who's persecuted will get a stamp. That will make everything better. Who's next, Irish potato farmers? Lawyers?

Not my point at all. I simply find it rather silly to get upset about a stamp.

...and Brian FWIW I didn't give you the red chicklet. This is the steam vent.
IMHO, opinions expressed here should be immune to the chicklet system. While I don't agree with your opinion, I don't feel stooping to that level is fair.

 

[mustang_steve]

Guys, time to pull our heads out of the ground and realize some things:

1) why not have a muslim holiday stamp, if we issued stamps for a christian holiday like christmas and easter? For valid separation of church and state, all religions have to be promoted/represented equally. So it's either no religious stamps of any sort, or to allow for any religion to have a stamp of some kind.

2) The asshats that bombed us were not acting as a faithful of their god...there is no part of the Koran that states to mass-murder people. Jihad is for religious suppression, not political crapfests...and these morons know it. Instead they use the guise of religion as a recruiting tool...basically don't blame the orchard for finding a bad apple.

3) Now, considering we are trying to make peace within the world (hopefully), why sit here and spew venom and fire over something like a postage stamp? There are bigger things to worry about than a stamp, such as border control....if illegal immigrants can cross, so can drug runners, and who knows who else could be crossing? How about we start there?

Seriously, if you feel like boycotting it, it's a free country, so go ahead. To me though, it's just another example of people wasting their time on insignificant things instead of looking at the big picture.

...oh and for the record, having spent some time in a Muslim country, and various muslim flatmates during my stay in california, they are very kind people, despite how the media wants to portray them. It's that less than 1% that screws it up.

 

[furrycute]

Damn't! I want my hello kitty stamp!

 

[majorloser]

Damn't! I want my hello kitty stamp!

Can we have Hello Kitty snuggling up to my burning goat head? It would be soooo cute!

 

[furrycute]

Can we have Hello Kitty snuggling up to my burning goat head? It would be soooo cute!

Sure dude! If you can whip it up in Photoshop.

 

[Rob Babcock]

3) Now, considering we are trying to make peace within the world (hopefully), why sit here and spew venom and fire over something like a postage stamp? There are bigger things to worry about than a stamp, such as border control....if illegal immigrants can cross, so can drug runners, and who knows who else could be crossing? How about we start there?

I mean no personal offense, but that's the lamest argument I've heard. Do you really mean that no one can complain about anything so long as there are bigger problems, as determined by you, remaining in the world? C'mon- that's weak. I can't complain that I got salt on my no-salt fries because there are still homeless displaced by Katrina? By your reasoning everything will be on the back burner forever.

Is it really a sign of thin skin or a closed mind to be bothered by official state documents or stamps sactioning or promotion religions? Is that really what the government is for? It's been said that eternal vigilence is the price of freedom, but I guess not everyone can be bothered with that.

 

[mustang_steve]

I'll admit, that part was pretty badly worded.


If you wish to boycott this, at least be non-partisan and boycot all christmas stamps as well as any other stamps for any other religious holiday.

again a restatement of one of the latter parts of my earlier post:


------------
Seriously, if you feel like boycotting it, it's a free country, so go ahead. To me though, it's just another example of people wasting their time on insignificant things instead of looking at the big picture.
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What I meant by that, is the act of boycotting a stamp that represents a holy holiday for someone....is boycotting this going to do any visible good for the people, or is it just because someone equates Islam with terrorists? If a solid argument for why Eid is an inappropriate thing to put on a stamp can be presented (religion is void since christmas stamps exist), it would be great to see.

I really never liked most of the stamps...I find the Disney ones and such offensive since it's basically us paying for advertising of someone else's company (the disney characters are still protected marks, over 50 years after they should have been public domain, but that's a rant for another day)....but would boycotting it do anything of actual value beyond some philosophical point? Nope....which also explains why I never made a big deal of it.

 

[BMXTRIX]

This is such a flame war of opininos relating to a stamp that was originally designed before the 9/11 attack and orignally released prior to the 9/11 attack.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/muslimstamp.html

Anyone who forgets that we are all human and lets their buttons be pushed over something as silly as a stamp and actually claims to be christian may need some more time reading the bible and paying attention.

Terrorists - not Muslims - attacked us. Manipulated humans who were inducted under the guise of a religion were brought in. Not people who were proplerly taught the religion.

Yes, prejudice continues to run deep through bones of many Brian - but if you get a red chicklet, it's because someone thinks you are spreading hatred that doesn't need to be spread most likely. I personally have never given out a red chicklet and never plan on doing so - but if I do, that person will know that I gave it to them.

That stamp was issued to celebrate religious diversity and the rights of our citizens to worship as they please. Instead, people turn it into hatred and a need to be irked at one another. Yes, hatred and short sightedness - that sounds a lot more like the America the rest of the world complains about constantly.

Here is an August 1, 2001 press release from the USPS on their site:
http://www.usps.com/news/2001/philatelic/sr01_054.htm

 

[mulester7]

You know - this is a get the f### over it issue. Really - grow up.

You want to sound like an immature prejudice fool - feel free. But really, I know many Muslims, and not one of them has blown up anything that I am aware of. Strangely enough, my Christian friends haven't blown up anything either.

Confusing extremists with people is a silly thing to do. Your average joe religious guy just is trying to find some direction and internal peace in his life. If you don't agree, that's fine and we are very blessed to have born in a nation and land that allows us to make that choice for ourselves.

Not everyone is so lucky or fortunate - and those people will likely never see this website in their lives.

If you are not of Muslim faith, then by all means, don't buy the stamp. But, if you disagree with the post office putting out that stamp, then you really have to consider that the post office should be fair all around and not put out Christmas, Haunakah, Kwanza, Easter, or any other stamps that reflect any sort of religion whatsoever.

Nations and individuals have attacked us. They have manipulated people by distortions of faith, religion, and belief. Don't confuse those lies with the Truth of what the religion stands for and all that it holds to so many individuals.

.....BMX, it's kinda' obvious you love to follow Brian around at this site and attack about everything he has to say....on a projector thread, Brian said it would be best if the Keystone was set at 0, and you post right back and say, "do NOT use Keystone"....isn't a setting of 0 NOT using Keystone?....you knew that....now you call him an immature prejudiced fool over feeling somewhat offended over the United States Postal Service not knocking that stamp in the head after 9-11....I couldn't agree with Brian more....and as to ALL your Muslim acquaintances, which I doubt, get with some of them and have them show you where in the Quran it says to love your neighbor if your neighbor is not Muslim....that should be an eye-opener.....I believe if this United States does go under one day, it will come mainly through a falling away from God and Christianity, but physically manifested through this country being TOO MUCH of a compassionate melting pot....the people of the sand countries are as primitive as the people still in the jungles, imo, with control of oil reserves making them a hundred times more dangerous and threatening....I suspect our ultimate enemy will be the Chinese, but the sand people WON'T be siding with us, discounting Israel.....

 

[brian32672]

Now, considering we are trying to make peace within the world (hopefully), why sit here and spew venom and fire over something like a postage stamp? There are bigger things to worry about than a stamp, it's just another example of people wasting their time on insignificant things instead of looking at the big picture.

Not my point at all. I simply find it rather silly to get upset about a stamp.

Big deal! Only radicals seem to get bent out of shape over those stamps. Obviously the government's purpose was not to honor those responsible for 9/11 and such

BINGO! Praise Allah, someone finally gets it
Prejudice is far from dead and stupidity runs amok

For crying out loud, it's just a stamp

You know - this is a get the f### over it issue. Really - grow up You want to sound like an immature prejudice fool - feel free

It is a short sighted, immature, and very prejudiced message I will still say that anyone that has an issue with the stamp needs to just get over it

Muslims who have been unjustly persecuted against for the acts of a small sector of their population

It's that less than 1% that screws it up

Terrorists - not Muslims - attacked us. Yes, prejudice continues to run deep through bones of many Brian


For all those that made these comments. A lot of you are saying Its just a stamp, get the F### over it. There’s bigger things, this is nothing but hatred, and it was not true Muslims. etc..

Well let me say a few. Obviously I am not the only idiot, actually the old saying seriously applies here. Who’s the more idiotic, the idiot or the idiot that follows? Meaning, if you spent more than one post on this thread, then clearly you are following it. Are you the idiot, also for actually spending your time to Google and look up more info (clearly just to make more arguments!!!)

As far as I remember, and whoever was of normal rational sense. Would have remembered the scenes coming from the Islamic countries during 9/11. On the news I completely remember not a small population, but rather entire cities cheering when the WTC was attacked. (Oh yeah, I'm sure that was Christians, Jews, Atheists, Devil worshippers and all) - Hmm, nope I think it was 100% Muslims that I saw cheering on the news, when we were attacked. Clearly it is a good thing for Americans to be killed in these countries (not just 1,000 so called Muslims) Like I said, we are talking about entire cities were being shown celebrating on the news.

Once again, this is not a hatred post. I started the entire thread with "I found this interesting" Yes it certainly is a dis-like post. Yep, I dislike people who kill Americans and are over-joyed when it happens.

And I will say it again, I did say I don't recall any Christian groups or Jewish groups that attack American Embassies (seems to always be the Muslim followers that attack Americans - in bombings, Plane Hi-Jacks, etc.)
However, to be fair I will say since the Christians & Jews don't seem like they attack us - then a Religious stamp from them is one thing. But for the US to celebrate Muslims is quite different. Since we have such a good history with this group.

I also said, that since we do have such a distinct relationship with these Islamic/Muslim ran countries.
And that obviously all can't be bad
That I think the US should have put on the stamp with big smiles - Celebrating American Muslims.

 

[majorloser]

I still want my Hello Kitty hugging a burning goat head stamp!

 

[philh]

And I will say it again, I did say I don't recall any Christian groups or Jewish groups that attack American Embassies (seems to always be the Muslim followers that attack Americans - in bombings, Plane Hi-Jacks, etc.)
However, to be fair I will say since the Christians & Jews don't seem like they attack us - then a Religious stamp from them is one thing. But for the US to celebrate Muslims is quite different. Since we have such a good history with this group.
.

Several previous terrorist attacks on our soil were not done by Muslim's, but our own citizens.
Oklahoma bomber
Uni-bomber
Atlanta bomber

I'm sure there's more, but none specifically come to mind.

Personally, I think all religion should be removed from stamps.

 

[majorloser]

OK, that does it!

Now I get a red chicklet for my Hello Kitty burning goat head stamp!!!!!

Just for that now I want a Rastafarian Stamp!

Make it Hello Kitty with dread locks smoking a big spliff!

 

[BMXTRIX]

As far as I remember, and whoever was of normal rational sense. Would have remembered the scenes coming from the Islamic countries during 9/11. On the news I completely remember not a small population, but rather entire cities cheering when the WTC was attacked. (Oh yeah, I'm sure that was Christians, Jews, Atheists, Devil worshippers and all) - Hmm, nope I think it was 100% Muslims that I saw cheering on the news, when we were attacked. Clearly it is a good thing for Americans to be killed in these countries (not just 1,000 so called Muslims) Like I said, we are talking about entire cities were being shown celebrating on the news.

US stamps are always for US citizens - you can't buy them in Iraq or Portugal or Russia (except perhaps on US military bases?). It should by obvious to any one with one lick of common sense that an American issued, US postal service stamp with any decoration is to commemorate a certain aspect of US heritage. It may or may not deal with politics.

Of course people are going to Google information, so they can help you try to find accurate information like the COMPLETE falsehood you just listed above.

No "it was 100% Muslims that I saw cheering on the news, when we were attacked" is not a correct statement. In fact, it is 50% false.

The Muslim EID holidays had just ended a few days before the attacks and while there were people celebrating, the footage was from several days prior to the attacks and was the EID celebrations. 'Blessed Day' celebrations from several days before which a news station, then the Internet took footage from and turned into venom and fire.

You are COMPLETELY wrong on this information and if you bothered to check this inoformation instead of accepting it on blind hatred, you would see that this information was not correct, but was twisted by some media outlets to create a story.

This whole issue creates politics and hatred out of something that was done in celebration of American culture. American - not Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Budhist. Twisting an American way of celebration by those people sending out a 'Boycott' of a stamp YOU weren't going to purchase anyway, is simply what I said to begin with. The act of the prejudiced and short-sighted fool.

Get over it.

The stamp.

Not 9/11.

(almost) All Americans are in unity over 9/11. (Roger Moore)

I am of strong belief the war in Iraq, though not publicly stated, is to get a US foothold in the Middle East to allow the US to start influencing the public in a more positive manner about the USA and democracy. For to long, the governments have been twisting religion to shape the beliefs of the young and pointing blame at us, instead of taking responsibility for their own citizens. It has nothing to do with religion.

STOP dragging the word Muslim into it.

Why not just 'brown skinned people?' They are all brown skinned right? So, that must make all brown skinned people evil? Or ALL Middle Easterners? You were born in the Middle East? You must die.

Short sighted prejudice running amok.

 

[brian32672]

No "it was 100% Muslims that I saw cheering on the news, when we were attacked" is not a correct statement. In fact, it is 50% false.

The Muslim EID holidays had just ended a few days before the attacks and while there were people celebrating, the footage was from several days prior to the attacks and was the EID celebrations.

Yeah thats what I saw. BS!



EDIT:: I will add this..

Who’s the more idiotic, the idiot or the idiot that follows? Meaning, if you spent more than one post on this thread, then clearly you are following it.

This goes for fools as well.
Oh BTW, yeah I would have probably gave you a red chicklet. But 2 things, I try to give chicklets in other areas and not the steam vent, also I had given out to much chicklets within 24 hrs.

Hoenestly I don't know who gave me a red one for these posts (don't really care, Thats why I had used smiley faces) but for those who replied on it - Well all I can say is guilty conscience..

EDIT #2:: Also hatred is a super strong word. Obviously I did not say hate anywhere. I don't have many Muslim friends (actually I have only a few friends, being I don't get out). But one of the best bosses I had and a very nice guy was an Iranian. Also I will add in, from that PM back at me. - I never said the word ni%%er, or anything close to that. I also have homosexual friends as well. So by your PM, I guess I am one of the ones that hates all. Hmm, homosexuals, black, tan, grey people, as well as Nazi, Jews, Christian, women, children, aliens, Muslim, dogs & cats, rednecks, etc.. I never said I hated anyone. So please do not twist my words.

 

[Audioholics]

Let me summarize:

Wah.
hate.
don't hate.
he hate.
who hate?
me hate.
shouldn't.
u dont get it.
I hate (insert item here).
wah
BS!
No, you BS!
Hey, can't we all be friends?

Did I miss anything? Cause if not, I think I'll shut down this thread soon.