Have you ever just "lost it"?

[shokhead]

Since the moderators don't seem to have a problem with this line of discussion:

I am not religious. I spent a fair amount of time in church as a kid and understand the basic program. Basically, I see no compelling evidence of some higher authority protecting the earth or its people. In fact, if there is some higher authority, I'd like to sit down and file some particular complaints about how things are being run.

But, I don't think there is. Every time I go to church, be it a wedding mass or funeral (and that's about it), I feel like my head is burning. The unity of faith and its pure truth is a beautiful thing and I respect that in its pure setting. I also respect it whereever else it lives. I don't disparage anyone their personal beliefs and I thank them not to push theirs on me.

Anyone that truly hates the Greater Forces, whatever they may be, faces a nasty cocktail - 1) there is some bigger force; and 2) It/He/She/They do not like you. This would make it difficult to change course, as it isn't a matter of self determination.

The peace that True Belief brings to its bastions is enviable. I wish my life were more calm at the core. But, wishing so isn't sufficient to change my essential, intellectual lack thereof. I can't say to myself "look at those happy people, now think like them". Beauty and truth are often not aligned. Not that I deny others' truth either, but I cannot accept it for myself.

We all have our own reasons for what we believe. I stopped trying to convince people that I'm "right" long ago. I appreciate what faith brings to its true believers and also watch high members of churches do unspeakable evils to their followers. Again, truth, beauty, and true faith are often cast as parallel when in fact they are far from it.

I didn't edit, nor even read this mindstream intentionally, and hope it is coherent.

I'm trying to stay out of here but i do have to coment. I am a fence rider but if indeed there is a god{or whatever},i belive he put us here to make it work or screw it up,without his help either way,good or bad. Thats why i dont belive in miracles. If you have a problem with the way things are being run,talk to the human race. Its ours to screw up or fix,without any higher ups help.

 

[Buckle-meister]

When posts 'drop of the end' of the Beginners and Audiophytes Forum, where do they go? If I check through my Profile, I can get back to those threads I posted in. Where am I; Thread-Heaven?!

Regards

 

[mulester7]

I'm trying to stay out of here but i do have to coment. I am a fence rider but if indeed there is a god{or whatever},i belive he put us here to make it work or screw it up,without his help either way,good or bad. Thats why i dont belive in miracles. If you have a problem with the way things are being run,talk to the human race. Its ours to screw up or fix,without any higher ups help.

.....Shok, what type country would we have, if EVERY ONE of it's citizen's read The Bible daily, and prayed to God, daily, through The Lord Jesus Christ?....let's say everyone from Sea To Shining Sea that's old enough to be walkin', hangin'-on.....and they're watching Mom and Dad, aren't they?.....what kind of country would we have?....if everybody was serious and real?.....

.....alas, it will never be everyone, that we've already been told, and things will get worse....so, it's kinda' like you gotta' go for yourself, and Mom or Dad can't do it for you, nor any other human around you, your whole life.......yes, I'm pushing a daily walk and commitment up front....to just show up for a Sunday Morning Service without some type of resolve invested, would probably make for a shortened experience....it's all in, the renewing of the mind......

 

[JohnOAS]

Everyone

.....Shok, what type country would we have, if EVERY ONE of it's citizen's read The Bible daily, and prayed to God, daily, through The Lord Jesus Christ?....let's say everyone from Sea To Shining Sea that's old enough to be walkin', hangin'-on.....and they're watching Mom and Dad, aren't they?.....what kind of country would we have?....if everybody was serious and real?.....

mulester, Someone from some other, non-christian religion could use you exact argument but insert the deity(s) from their favourite bed-time story instead of God / Jesus Christ. The fact is, there are lots of flavours of religion. Many of them are mutually exclusive, that it, they can't all be right. Convinced fans of every cult/religion state that they have good evidence or some warm fuzzy feeling inside that makes them just <i>know</i> they're right. The fact is, some of them aren't. Personally I tend to think that none of them have it right. I've certainly never seen any even remotely convincing evidence for any of them.

.....alas, it will never be everyone, that we've already been told, and things will get worse....so, it's kinda' like you gotta' go for yourself, and Mom or Dad can't do it for you, nor any other human around you, your whole life.......yes, I'm pushing a daily walk and commitment up front....to just show up for a Sunday Morning Service without some type of resolve invested, would probably make for a shortened experience....it's all in, the renewing of the mind......

As I've said, there is more than 1 religion. Unfortunately this is likely to be the case for a long time to come. Want to know why? Religion is largely a geographic / family tradition. Most people never do an informed review of the various religions and choose the one that seems best. A slight shift between sub-flavours is about the best most people manage. Whatever religion is predominant in your family/geographic area is <i>very</i> likely to be your religion.

If we purchased audio gear like that, we'd all own systems made up of stuff entriely from the closest hi-fi store, or the brand our parents owned.

"Buy Sony! It is written! All purchasers of Pioneer shall be smitten and suffer eternal Britney Spears!"

<i>(Disclaimer: I have no special preference either for or against either Sony / Pioneer, I just picked 2 names I fugured everyone would know. I may have some bias in relation to Ms Spears, but this is not the time or place )</i>

 

[mulester7]

mulester, Someone from some other, non-christian religion could use you exact argument but insert the deity(s) from their favourite bed-time story instead of God / Jesus Christ.

....thanks, John, for one of the usuals.....

 

[Buckle-meister]

Convinced fans of every cult/religion state that they have good evidence or some warm fuzzy feeling inside...

Now now, you just can't go using ambiguous words like 'fuzzy'. Some people might not understand what you meant...

Regards

 

[shokhead]

.....Shok, what type country would we have, if EVERY ONE of it's citizen's read The Bible daily, and prayed to God, daily, through The Lord Jesus Christ?....let's say everyone from Sea To Shining Sea that's old enough to be walkin', hangin'-on.....and they're watching Mom and Dad, aren't they?.....what kind of country would we have?....if everybody was serious and real?.....

.....alas, it will never be everyone, that we've already been told, and things will get worse....so, it's kinda' like you gotta' go for yourself, and Mom or Dad can't do it for you, nor any other human around you, your whole life.......yes, I'm pushing a daily walk and commitment up front....to just show up for a Sunday Morning Service without some type of resolve invested, would probably make for a shortened experience....it's all in, the renewing of the mind......

Same kind we have now.Go to church,read the bible,pray and then go rape,kill and steal. Just because they do all the above you said doesnt make them a good person. Many,many belivers are in jail. Gota be a good person first. My wife thinks that if she only does business with the good christens at here church,everything will be on the up and up. I say just because of that doesnt mean they wont screw you in a business deal,they are all human to.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Yeah! lets keep this thing going. I want to have started the longest thread on audioholics.

stop posting in this thread...

Be careful of what you ask for, eh Sheep?! You just might get it!

Regards

 

[ironlung]

See what I mean Mule...

....thanks, John, for one of the usuals.....

10 foot pole...

 

[mulester7]

.....I see some have their discount-Christianity ducks all in a row....the sad and ever-present part is, the ducks were lined-up for them.....

 

[brian32672]

When posts 'drop of the end' of the Beginners and Audiophytes Forum, where do they go? If I check through my Profile, I can get back to those threads I posted in. Where am I; Thread-Heaven?!

Regards

You are not serious are you. You do know, that the beginner area has the option at the bottom to show just the last days posts. And you can go there and change it to whenever, including all posts from last year, and all posts from the start of the forum (all 1300 pages).

 

[Buckle-meister]

You are not serious are you.

No no. Of course not Brian32672. Oh what an idiot I'd look then eh?



Regards

 

[brian32672]

No no. Of course not Brian32672.

Oh, you can just call me brian. But just don't call me Surely.

 

[mulester7]

Oh, you can just call me brian. But just don't call me Surely.

.....you think you look like a Shirley?.....

 

[mulester7]

Oh, you can just call me brian. But just don't call me Surely.

....."Paging Mr. Shirley, you have a phone call in the lobby, Paging Mr. Shirley, phone call in the lobby"......

 

[ironlung]

.....I see some have their discount-Christianity ducks all in a row....the sad and ever-present part is, the ducks were lined-up for them.....

Could you (or anybody) clear this thought up a little for me please? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Thanks in advance,
Ironlung

 

[mulester7]

Could you (or anybody) clear this thought up a little for me please? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Thanks in advance,
Ironlung

.....absolutely, Iron....no man can serve two masters, he will hate one and love the other.....

 

[ironlung]

I'm dense

.....I see some have their discount-Christianity ducks all in a row....the sad and ever-present part is, the ducks were lined-up for them.....

Is the second part of this post alluding to the fact that some do not think for themselves? The discount-christianity means? I don't know.

.....absolutely, Iron....no man can serve two masters, he will hate one and love the other.....

I don't see what this post has to do with the other. If I try to fit this statement into my life it doesn't quite work. I would have to acknowlege god as more than a character in a book to love or hate him any more than I love/hate Tom Sawyer or Mary(the one with the little lambs). What are the two masters? Is this in reference to the multiple religions on planet earth?

I appreciate the attempt to clear things up for me. If you have the time and care to reply again. If you could write it out simple as can be in terms that I can understand. Maybe we can have a dialoge.

Thanks in advance...again,
Ironlung

 

[The Dukester]

Two masters

Howdy, Ironlung.
I won't try to answer for all the post by Mule, but I can answer the 2 masters part. Whether we acknowledge it or not, one of two masters rules us. We are either ruled by Satan or by God as the Bible explains it. You may not agree with this, but the Bible makes it clear.

You can also compare it to, let's say, a man-woman relationship. If you have a wife, you should be totaly devoted to her. You cannot have more than one woman at the center of your heart. If you are married and let someone else in, you are not fully serving your wife, if that makes sense.

The passage comes from Matthew 6:24 Jesus says that you cannot love both God and Money. Although it is certainly no sin to have money, if you make the desire to have money more important than serving God, then money is your master, not God. I love to make money, but I have to put God first. If it comes down to a choice of making some extra bread or serving God by doing something He has asked me to do, then I will chose God.

Hope this helps you understand at least part of the post.
Dukester

 

[mulester7]

.....all this just happened?....and continues to just happen?.....

http://www.arimilner.com/s&t_hubble.htm