Have you ever just "lost it"?

[Sheep]

Yeah! lets keep this thing going.

I want to have started the longest thread on audioholics

Shokhead, thats an interesting observation. Non believers mind their own buiseness, while religious-goers like to pry away at your lifestyle.....hm.


I remember last year, I was up country, at my neighboors cabin. Theres no phone, electricty, and the running water is gravity fed, and ice cold. We were working in the yard, big fire going, and 2 Jdubs (trust me, its not offensive) come up and ask us if we could listen to them read the bible. GAH?..... how did you find us?


That was a weird day.......

Homer "I call the big one bitey."

sheep

 

[The Dukester]

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I remember last year, I was up country, at my neighboors cabin. Theres no phone, electricty, and the running water is gravity fed, and ice cold. We were working in the yard, big fire going, and 2 Jdubs (trust me, its not offensive) come up and ask us if we could listen to them read the bible. GAH?..... how did you find us?



Hey, Sheep. You can run, but you can't hide! What the fat are Jdubs?

 

[Sheep]

they are jahova's witnesses(typo). My friend who is one, calls himself jdub, or judbz. Thats why I said not offensive, because they use that term.



sheep

 

[Buckle-meister]

Any country, and by inference, any person from that country, that has invented golf and scotch whiskey is either quite intelligent OR quite looney.

I couldn't disagree more, though I know you were only kidding.

W A R N I N G: This post unashamedly promotes Scotland!

Some of Scotland's achievements/inventions:

The steam engine
Anaesthetics
Penicillin
James Clerk Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism (that one's for you Jneutron )
Brownian movement (leading to quantum theory)
Kelvin thermal scale (right here in Glasgow)
The decimal point
Natural Logarithms
Polarisation of light
Radar
Planet Nuptune (arguable)
First cloned mammal
Telephone (arguable)
Television (arguable)
Tar Macadam (i.e. roads)
Pneumatic tyres
Artificial diamonds
US Navy!!!

Golf, and of course whisky.

I am very much of the opinion that if it hadn't been Scotsmen who discovered/invented the above, given enough time, somebody else simply would have. That said, whilst I do not believe in rating countries against each other, it is a fact that over the ages, Scotland has discovered/invented a disproportionate amount given the size of this small (but gorgeous ) country in relation to the rest of the world.

Regards

 

[ironlung]

Homer is so profound

Homer "I call the big one bitey."

sheep

LOL I gave my friends pit bull that nick name from that very line.

"SHE'S SO BITEY!!!"

She's a nice dog really, but likes to play rough.

I'm learning alot from this thread. I hope I am not comming across as a Jdub trying to get any one to not believe. I think a little skepticism is healthy. I never claimed I was right. I'm just going with what makes sense to me.

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Remember the clock is ticking the aliens are in route. PM me for the address to send all your possesions. I need to commision some artist to paint my ceiling and some craftsman to gold plate my furniture!


By the way what was the longest thread?

 

[Audioholics]

Some of Scotland's achievements/inventions

As expected, I don't see 'underwear' on that list.

 

[Tomorrow]

Oh oh...

Some of Scotland's achievements/inventions:

The steam engine
Anaesthetics
Penicillin
James Clerk Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism (that one's for you Jneutron )
Brownian movement (leading to quantum theory)
Kelvin thermal scale (right here in Glasgow)
The decimal point
Natural Logarithms
Polarisation of light
Radar
Planet Nuptune (arguable)
First cloned mammal
Telephone (arguable)
Television (arguable)
Tar Macadam (i.e. roads)
Pneumatic tyres
Artificial diamonds
US Navy!!!

Regards

Ahem....in the interest of historical accuracy (and absolutely in the continuing spirit of good humor), I have a few comments. You may have slightly overstated the case for Scottish developments...("perhaps as a result of the single invention of whisky?). Nevertheless, you Scots have done yourselves proud. (Except with the bagpipes. )

The Steam Engine - was first patented by Thomas Savery, an English (Shilston) military engineer and inventor who in 1698, patented the first crude steam engine based on Denis Papin's Digester or pressure cooker of 1679. (Scotsman James Watt 'improved' the steam engine.)

Anesthetics - have been known since the beginnings of recorded history.

Penicillin - Ernst Chain, a German Jew, fled Nazi Germany to London where he discovered and produced penicillin...tho' Scotsman Alec Fleming discovered the mold had anti-bacterial properties. (1/2 point )

Kelvin scale - ACK...and screw metric, too, lol. (American bias.)

The Decimal Point - Who else would have invented this but a culture known for thrift...."I'll give ye .3 shillings, only!"

Artificial Diamonds - see previous comment.

Telephone - TV - Neptune - ah, er, yep, quite arguable.

But I also discovered that a Scotsman 'invented' the Buick, perhaps the single worst car on the American roads. One must be specially licensed to own one , have blue hair, be over 70 years old, and must drive a minimum of 10 mph under the speed limit. This same guy, Buick, also invented pink bathtubs...enamalizing steel, essentially. heh heh

Good cheer.

 

[Buckle-meister]

...our opinions are nothing but our own opinions.

True. But there are truths 'out there' that are not a matter of opinion.

...you believe what you believe mainly because that is what you were taught to believe - maybe it was from your parents or a neighbor or a teacher turned you on to a particular religion or whatever. Had you been born in India or Somalia or Chile or somewhere else, you could easily be arguing against the points you are making now.

Logically; yes. But Christians believe that at some point in every persons life, God will reveal Himself to you. Therefore, if you choose to spurn Him, when you die, you cannot turn around in ignorance and say "What? I never knew that! Nobody told me about that!"

At this point, you burn forever and ever and ever




























and then some more.

...why push that mindset on someone else?

Happens all the time, it's simply less insidious with religion. Television/newspapers attempt to push, through image/word manipulation, a certain mindset upon us. When something someone does annoys you and you say to them "why can't you just [fill in here]", what you are actually saying is "why can't you be more like me". You are attempting to push your mindset on another. After all, you don't do the things that annoy you do you?!

I'm just trying to understand why so many intelligent people argue their religious views so adamantly. Don't we realize that it's futile?

Yes, arguing is futile. Arguing necessarily involves two or more people with closed minds. However, so long as each person is prepared to change their views given sufficient evidence of the error of their ways, then debate is not futile.

Just look at the Houses of Parliment. Look at all the goo...um...oh bollock$!

Oh, and intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Regards

 

[mulester7]

Some of Scotland's achievements/inventions

.....radar???....penicillin???....underwear???....The Loch Ness Monster???.........

 

[Tomorrow]

At this point, you burn forever and ever and ever
and then some more.
Regards

In honor of the previous invention post...an Irishman invented the match...later to be called and marketed as a "Lucifer".

So we have the Irish to thank for that fire we're gonna burn in! LOL.


I think the lunacy of Audioholics has finally rubbed off and onto me.

 

[Buckle-meister]

This means WAR!

Just kidding!

...you Scots have done yourselves proud. (Except with the bagpipes).

What's wrong with bagpipes? Have you ever heard a pipe band in person? It raises the hair on the back of my neck! Makes the blood boil.

Bear in mind, some of these I knew, some I didn't (the power of Google! ):

Anesthetics - have been known since the beginnings of recorded history.

This was one I didn't! What I read was that a Scottish surgeon was the first to officially use them.

Penicillin - Ernst Chain, a German Jew, fled Nazi Germany to London where he discovered and produced penicillin...tho' Scotsman Alec Fleming discovered the mold had anti-bacterial properties. (1/2 point )

Oh come on! It is in the context of its anti-bacterial properties that we all associate penicillin. That's got to be worth 7/8 of one point.

The Decimal Point - Who else would have invented this but a culture known for thrift...

This sentence has undergone a lot of edits prior to posting, and in the end, I'll not comment.

Telephone - TV - Neptune - ah, er, yep, quite arguable.

Hey, at least I'm honest.

...I also discovered that a Scotsman 'invented' the Buick...

I may be honest, but I'm not stupid! Obviously I'd only mention the good/impressive things!

Besides, JCM's equations are worth infinite points in themselves. So much of what we use depends upon them.

Regards

 

[shokhead]

Hope i dont die wrapped in foil.

 

[Tomorrow]

What's wrong with bagpipes? Have you ever heard a pipe band in person? It raises the hair on the back of my neck! Makes the blood boil.
Regards

Yes, I have heard them...and I have exactly the same reaction..hair raising, blood boiling....plus eardrums crying out from pain, eyes bulging from the pressure. I'll wager you like Klipsch speakers, too.

Nah, just kiddin'.

Good cheer.

 

[racquetman]

Logically; yes. But Christians believe that at some point in every persons life, God will reveal Himself to you. Therefore, if you choose to spurn Him, when you die, you cannot turn around in ignorance and say "What? I never knew that! Nobody told me about that!"

Once again, you chose to believe this because it is what you were taught. Actually I was also taught this. I was raised Catholic. I've chosen to let god's greatest gifts (IMO), common sense and gut feeling, be what guides me. Gut feeling tells me not to steal, murder, rape, etc. . . Common sense tells me that the stories in the bible are not to be taken literally. You don't need to be an expert in physics to realize a sea cannot be parted by someone. If you want to believe these stories that's fine with me. I just want to know why. Why abandon logic when it comes to religion. You wouldn't abandon it for some other discipline. Help me understand. Do you have to take everything in the bible literally to go to heaven? Do you really believe God reveals himself to everyone? He certainly doesn't reveal himself to brain injured people. These people operate at the most basic level - eat, sleep, play with their genitals. If you've never dealt with these people you wouldn't understand. They certainly don't have the capacity to comprehend religion much less follow its guidelines.

 

[mulester7]

But why push that mindset on someone else?

....Alandamp, to wear the nametag Christian, brings a charge straight from The Bible to give witness....orders from Headquarters, if you will....a scattering of seed, if you will....sure, some seed will fall on dry, barren ground, and some seed will fall on fertile ground, which has been prepared.....

 

[mulester7]

Do you really believe God reveals himself to everyone? He certainly doesn't reveal himself to brain injured people. These people operate at the most basic level - eat, sleep, play with their genitals. If you've never dealt with these people you wouldn't understand. They certainly don't have the capacity to comprehend religion much less follow its guidelines.

.....Alandamp, does it really need to be said that those incapable of being held accountable, won't, in fact, be held accountable?.....

 

[Buckle-meister]

You don't need to be an expert in physics to realize a sea cannot be parted by someone.

Ah, but it wasn't just anyone was it?!

If you want to believe these stories that's fine with me. I just want to know why. Why abandon logic when it comes to religion. You wouldn't abandon it for some other discipline.

True, but then, religion isn't quite like any other discipline is it?

Who says logic has been abandoned? If one believes in God, for whom nothing is impossible, then it is perfectly feasible that He can part the sea. And if we accept that, then it is perfectly logical that when Moses, a man Justified in God stretched forth his hand to part the sea, God parted it.

See? Simple!

Regards

 

[Tomorrow]

These people operate at the most basic level - eat, sleep, play with their genitals.

You mean there is more?


Seriously, Alandamp, you must remember what has been said here. There is only "FAITH". There is no proof. There is no logic (even though some might want to try to prove their faith). I like Mulie's statment..."it's a walk of faith". Proof and logic cannot prevail in a metaphysical discussion...by its very definition. So do not look for it.

But just for the fun of it, I'll detail a personal event in my life...just to let you know where I'm coming from. I, too, was born to Catholic parents...and fled the religion as have so many. Sixteen years ago, I (clinically) died. My heart had stopped beating for something in excess of 5 minutes. Anoxia beyond 5 minutes usually results in drain brammage (J/K ), so perhaps I'm not to be trusted with my memories. Nevertheless....if it makes you feel any better, I had no visitations from long dead relatives, there was no light at the end of a tunnel, no beckoning deities, there was nothing. Endless, quiet, peaceful nothing. I was as dead as anyone you're ever likely to know....and returned.

Nothing was there. Was that proof that god does not exist? No. Do I believe? Sorta. I believe that life is unbelievably precious and fragile, and is an amazing 'gift'. Who or what provided me this gift I do not know. But I will forever treasure it. And you know what else? I don't need an organized religion or belief in salvation to know that.

Good cheer.

 

[ironlung]

Once again, you chose to believe this because it is what you were taught. Actually I was also taught this. I was raised Catholic. I've chosen to let god's greatest gifts (IMO), common sense and gut feeling, be what guides me. Gut feeling tells me not to steal, murder, rape, etc. . . Common sense tells me that the stories in the bible are not to be taken literally. You don't need to be an expert in physics to realize a sea cannot be parted by someone. If you want to believe these stories that's fine with me. I just want to know why. Why abandon logic when it comes to religion. You wouldn't abandon it for some other discipline. Help me understand. Do you have to take everything in the bible literally to go to heaven? Do you really believe God reveals himself to everyone? He certainly doesn't reveal himself to brain injured people. These people operate at the most basic level - eat, sleep, play with their genitals. If you've never dealt with these people you wouldn't understand. They certainly don't have the capacity to comprehend religion much less follow its guidelines.

AMEN

I was trying to say this! Not as clearly, but I was trying!

Now the next post will be a believer with their eye and ears covered afraid to be objective. Snake oil cables any one?

The frescos on my ceiling aren't free. Where are the believers? The Aliens are en route.

Ironlung

 

[racquetman]

You mean there is more?


Seriously, Alandamp, you must remember what has been said here. There is only "FAITH". There is no proof. There is no logic (even though some might want to try to prove their faith). I like Mulie's statment..."it's a walk of faith". Proof and logic cannot prevail in a metaphysical discussion...by its very definition. So do not look for it.

But just for the fun of it, I'll detail a personal event in my life...just to let you know where I'm coming from. I, too, was born to Catholic parents...and fled the religion as have so many. Sixteen years ago, I (clinically) died. My heart had stopped beating for something in excess of 5 minutes. Anoxia beyond 5 minutes usually results in drain brammage (J/K ), so perhaps I'm not to be trusted with my memories. Nevertheless....if it makes you feel any better, I had no visitations from long dead relatives, there was no light at the end of a tunnel, no beckoning deities, there was nothing. Endless, quiet, peaceful nothing. I was as dead as anyone you're ever likely to know....and returned.

Nothing was there. Was that proof that god does not exist? No. Do I believe? Sorta. I believe that life is unbelievably precious and fragile, and is an amazing 'gift'. Who or what provided me this gift I do not know. But I will forever treasure it. And you know what else? I don't need an organized religion or belief in salvation to know that.

Good cheer.

Your experience was very personal and life altering maybe. That is what I meant by life experiences help you decide what you believe. If you watched your family be blown up by suicide bombers maybe you would believe something very different.

Your belief is your belief. Like you said, you don't need an organized religion to tell you what to believe. Neither do I, so I won't push the catholic beliefs on someone else.