Harmon to aquire B&W, Polk, Denon, and Marantz from Masimo

lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Reminds me of all the sci-fi movies and TV series where corporations have their armies, run the world it seems. Is this the beginning.
There is one chilling scifi book that I can't remember author/title of, where there are no nations but everything divvied up by I think it was 6 or 7 corporations each controlling something vital. Our current version of capitalism could get there eventually....

Top search for such came up with this, which isn't it but similar concept it sounds like https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40861834-world-incorporated

Trying to remember which book it is now is going to bug me....I probably own it but....another search of a reddit discussion mentions Pohl & Kornbluth's The Space Merchants....Pohl sounds right but the title doesn't ring a bell but so do others mentioned.....arrggh didn't realize how many could fit the description.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The whole subsidiary structure of corporations is probably one of the biggest factors for me getting into DIY alternatives, from food to anything else worth having. Food, was probably the first most noticeable trend for me and was what pushed me into growing my own and mostly from heirloom seeds. Not that I worry that there is going to be some sort of sudden product apocalypse, or anything like that, but brand name legacy or pride of ownership/loyalty, went out the window for me, decades ago, and DIY things tend to fill that void. Comparatively, things I have made myself, whether it be speakers, amps, fishing rods, tools and whatnot, feel rather rare, and perhaps even priceless.

I like Harmon products though and have owned some memorable products by them over the years. I like how their manufacturing power tends to bring products for everyone that punch well above their price point and how they are strong with innovation. That and, if the product doesn't stick, they end up being often times, greatly clearance priced.
I agree with you about DIY. But it goes beyond that. I think will will have to move away from big corporate entities and return to how it was in the fifties and sixties.

I had a chat with my long time dealer today. Between this mess and Trump's tariffs he is concerned from where his equipment will come form and at what cost.

So, may be well built and designed simpler better built and more reliable equipment is the way forward. The bulk of our speakers are now manufactured in China, now and that is crazy. So I told my dealer I can design good speakers, which he actually knows as he has heard many of my designs over the years. I have a good in with a C & C shop in MN. They are also skilled in excellent finishes. I think we will have to return to how things used to be in a hurry and that does not include making junk.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
I agree with you about DIY. But it goes beyond that. I think will will have to move away from big corporate entities and return to how it was in the fifties and sixties.

I had a chat with my long time dealer today. Between this mess and Trump's tariffs he is concerned from where his equipment will come form and at what cost.

So, may be well built and designed simpler better built and more reliable equipment is the way forward. The bulk of our speakers are now manufactured in China, now and that is crazy. So I told my dealer I can design good speakers, which he actually knows as he has heard many of my designs over the years. I have a good in with a C & C shop in MN. They are also skilled in excellent finishes. I think we will have to return to how things used to be in a hurry and that does not include making junk.
Heck we may just have to order from you :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
All the info about purchase price at the time Masimo acquired Sound United put the price at just $1B....is the $1.5B to accommodate losses they're absorbing? Or were original reports way off?
I probably got the numbers wrong. But my focus was on the $8 Billion vs ($1 Billion - $400 Million) = $600 Million loss.

TLS guy has been on rant for weeks about the doom and gloom of Masimo’s Sound United losing millions while Yamaha had a decline of $8 billions in one year, which makes the Masimo loss seem like peanuts. :D
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I probably got the numbers wrong. But my focus was on the $8 Billion vs ($1 Billion - $400 Million) = $600 Million loss.

TLS guy has been on rant for weeks about the doom and gloom of Masimo’s Sound United losing millions while Yamaha had a decline of $8 billions in one year, which makes the Masimo loss seem like peanuts. :D
The ASR thread cited the 1.5B thing via an article but don't remember the source details. TLS is TLS, not particularly rational when it comes to avrs/pre-pros
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I probably got the numbers wrong. But my focus was on the $8 Billion vs ($1 Billion - $400 Million) = $600 Million loss.

TLS guy has been on rant for weeks about the doom and gloom of Masimo’s Sound United losing millions while Yamaha had a decline of $8 billions in one year, which makes the Masimo loss seem like peanuts. :D
Yamaha have much deeper pockets than Masimo! That difference is crucial to be putting this in perspective.

However no corporation is going to fund AV as a charity. So, things have to change.

Lets face it we walked into an era where to properly enjoy what was on offer required a purpose built room integral with the system. I know, I know, you can shoe horn this gear into suboptimal spaces. The results are suboptimal and risk a costly divorce on top of the equipment cost.

The fact is that two and three channel systems, and may be a sub, should have been dominant and NOT 11 or 13 plus a bunch of subs. This has gone off the rails of practicality and the ability to provide it at a price where the equipment is reliable.

For the cost lay out, the equipment should be built around at least auto grade components, to provide adequate longevity. However, that would place equipment beyond the reach of even more.

So, the focus has to shift to gear that is priced within the range of the majority of middle class families and is compatible with the interior design of most homes.

I am totally atypical ,and way at the end of what is essentially a loony spectrum and a lot of the rest of you hoping to catch up. However I revel in my insanity, and have been lucky enough to have had the skills to do it on the cheap.

That leads me to my last point. I expect most of you have noticed, that I am an old man, with the temperament to boot. I was however blessed with a good memory and a curiosity of how things worked and to improve them. At that simpler time many were building their own systems, electronics and systems both. The leaders of this burgeoning new industry were only too eager to help and share what they knew and were doing. Far from reducing sales, this did the exact opposite and created a fervor of enthusiasm in those now far off days.

As I have said before, a circuit diagram was pretty much always included in the user manual, especially by Peter Walker of Quad. He said, "no one will copy the designs, but I can and have had me designs improved for free!" That is true humility.

A huge share of this current debacle can be laid right at the door of MBAs and marketers, who I have long, and always will despise and hold in contempt.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Yamaha have much deeper pockets than Masimo! That difference is crucial to be putting this in perspective.

However no corporation is going to fund AV as a charity. So, things have to change.

Lets face it we walked into an era where to properly enjoy what was on offer required a purpose built room integral with the system. I know, I know, you can shoe horn this gear into suboptimal spaces. The results are suboptimal and risk a costly divorce on top of the equipment cost.

The fact is that two and three channel systems, and may be a sub, should have been dominant and NOT 11 or 13 plus a bunch of subs. This has gone off the rails of practicality and the ability to provide it at a price where the equipment is reliable.

For the cost lay out, the equipment should be built around at least auto grade components, to provide adequate longevity. However, that would place equipment beyond the reach of even more.

So, the focus has to shift to gear that is priced within the range of the majority of middle class families and is compatible with the interior design of most homes.

I am totally atypical ,and way at the end of what is essentially a loony spectrum and a lot of the rest of you hoping to catch up. However I revel in my insanity, and have been lucky enough to have had the skills to do it on the cheap.

That leads me to my last point. I expect most of you have noticed, that I am an old man, with the temperament to boot. I was however blessed with a good memory and a curiosity of how things worked and to improve them. At that simpler time many were building their own systems, electronics and systems both. The leaders of this burgeoning new industry were only too eager to help and share what they knew and were doing. Far from reducing sales, this did the exact opposite and created a fervor of enthusiasm in those now far off days.

As I have said before, a circuit diagram was pretty much always included in the user manual, especially by Peter Walker of Quad. He said, "no one will copy the designs, but I can and have had me designs improved for free!" That is true humility.

A huge share of this current debacle can be laid right at the door of MBAs and marketers, who I have long, and always will despise and hold in contempt.
I think you overestimate the ability of most marketing/sales folk
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The ASR thread cited the 1.5B thing via an article but don't remember the source details. TLS is TLS, not particularly rational when it comes to avrs/pre-pros
This was what I got from searching online:

Sound United Audio's revenue declined from $562.1 million in the period ended September 30, 2023, to $465.6 million in the period ended September 28, 2024, a 17% decrease. Masimo acquired Sound United for $1.03 billion.

Sound United had a decline of $0.09 billion in one year.

Yamaha had a decline of $8.5 billions in one year.

We all know Yamaha is a much bigger company, but it still feels funny. :D
 
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TankTop5

Audioholic Samurai
You could be right, but I doubt it. They are an absolute pox on mankind!
Hate it when I sell a project and a half dozen guys get to work and feed their families.

Back on topic… it’ll be great when Denon and Marantz flagship receivers go on 50% off factory direct sales and screw the small business retailers… s/
 
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