Floorstanding speakers $3,500 - 4,500 ADVICE PLEASE

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83benz240

Audioholic Intern
I would really appreciate any advice on how to go about picking out a pair of floor standing speakers for audio use (I have a tv but have only turned it on 5 times so no HT use). I would prefer them to be American made.

Right now I have a Pioneer SC-57. I am going to buy an Emotiva XPA-2 to drive the speakers and have a SVS SB - 13 Plus on order with the expectation of buying a 2nd.

I listen to ALL kinds of music (everything but soul and slow jams) and like to play it loud especially for parties. I would like something that can handle plenty of power and match a pair of the SB-13 subs.

I just returned a pair of B&W CM9's because I found them to be fatiguing with the highs and was adjusting the treble and turning down the volume often.

I see the Paradigm brand was voted to be the best speakers on this forum. Is there one of their speakers in this price range that would work well with the subs and amp I should be getting soon? Are there any other brands or models that might fit well into this setup?

Thanks in advance for any help with this.


here are the threads I started asking questions about subs and the CM9's:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/subwoofers/77386-newbie-needs-advice-$2-000-sub.html


http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/loudspeakers/77564-b-w-cm9s-crappy-replacements.html
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I listen to ALL kinds of music (everything but soul and slow jams) and like to play it loud especially for parties. I would like something that can handle plenty of power and match a pair of the SB-13 subs.
Parties, an XPA-2, and 99.99% of speakers...

that sounds like a realllllly dangerous combination.

I see the Paradigm brand was voted to be the best speakers on this forum. Is there one of their speakers in this price range that would work well with the subs and amp I should be getting soon? Are there any other brands or models that might fit well into this setup?
I don't like Paradigm speakers :p

I know you'll want speakers that sound great and can take a real beating too.

I've got four suggestions for you:

GedLee Abbey
JBL LSR6332
Audiokinesis Jazz Module
JTR Triple 8 or Quintuple 8

Any of these will sound much more balanced than the B&Ws and can play louder than you'll ever need, and can handle power if you need to feed them power. I'm confident that any of these will greatly impress you.
 
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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
Parties, an XPA-2, and 99.99% of speakers...

that sounds like a realllllly dangerous combination.



I don't like Paradigm speakers :p

I know you'll want speakers that sound great and can take a real beating too.

I've got four suggestions for you:

GedLee Abbey
JBL LSR6332
Audiokinesis Jazz Module
JTR Triple 8 or Quintuple 8

Any of these will sound much more balanced than the B&Ws and can play louder than you'll ever need, and can handle power if you need to feed them power. I'm confident that any of these will greatly impress you.
I completely agree with this. Off that list I'd go with the Abbey's or JBL's. The Seaton Catalysts should also be looking into.
 
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83benz240

Audioholic Intern
WOW... this forum is awesome. I'll start looking at that list. Thanks everyone.

Granteed - What did you mean by 99.99%?

"Parties, an XPA-2, and 99.99% of speakers...

that sounds like a realllllly dangerous combination."

Why are you not a fan of Paradigm? They seem to get a lot of respect on this forum...
 
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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Granteed - What did you mean by 99.99%?
I meant that's a lot of power (heat), combined with a lot of demand for power (loud parties), but speakers that both can't take the heat and demand a lot of power to get loud(typical 86db speakers with fragile tweeters/midranges and midbass impedance below 4ohm)

Why are you not a fan of Paradigm? They seem to get a lot of respect on this forum...
Don't think much of it. Everyone has opinions. A lot of people here like Paradigm speakers. A lot of dealers around North America carry Paradigm speakers so they've got the whole "volume" thing down. They're just personally to me, mediocre for the money; or at least the Monitor and Studio lines of theirs. By all means audition the Paradigms. Just wouldn't be my path. If they float someone else's boat - great. I'm just trying to subconciously condition you away from them because I'm evil.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
For the price range you mentioned, look into the Salk Veracity HT2-TL. They are American made. They were highly favorably reviewed here on AH.

They are probably much a much easier load to drive than the CM9s, and in my opinion, they will sound much better too.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Hire a cabinet builder for a pair of Statements (or other like speaker), hire an automotive paint shop for the paint job, hire a local TV repair shop for wiring the crossovers:

1. You will have a speaker that will perform better than the $3500 stuff you are looking at.

2. You will have directly benefited more U.S. citizens than in any other meaningful way.

3. Most likely still have money left in your pocket.

Just saying if you want American made what better way than to meet a few fellow citizens that could use the business?

They won't get loud like the Seatons and they aren't a party speaker FYI. There are designs out there that are: The Stentorians.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Right now I have a Pioneer SC-57. I am going to buy an Emotiva XPA-2 to drive the speakers and have a SVS SB - 13 Plus on order with the expectation of buying a 2nd.

I just returned a pair of B&W CM9's because I found them to be fatiguing with the highs and was adjusting the treble and turning down the volume often.

I see the Paradigm brand was voted to be the best speakers on this forum.
Excellent looking AVR. Excellent looking amp. Excellent looking subwoofers.

It seems the key here for you is being able to buy something that can be returned if you don't like in your room.

If you can audition Philharmonic, Ascend, Salk, etc, that would be crucial.

I believe both Ascend & Salk offer a 30 day return policy, but you have to pay shipping both ways.

Aperion, NHT, and Amazon direct offer free 30 day trial with free shipping both ways.

For example, if you buy speakers from Amazon Direct, like KEF Q900 &
Martin Logan, you could return for free.

If you can audition Paradigm & PSB & DefTech, that would also be good.
 
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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
For the price range you mentioned, look into the Salk Veracity HT2-TL. They are American made. They were highly favorably reviewed here on AH.

They are probably much a much easier load to drive than the CM9s, and in my opinion, they will sound much better too.
I was going to recommend these too, but the OP seems to listen very loud for parties. Other than the loudness aspect, these are killer speakers for the money. I'd also recommend the Philharmonic 2's, but again, I don't think they'd suffice as super loud party speakers; the Salk's and Phil's will be extraordinary for music, though.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
One last speaker i'll throw into the mix is the Vapor Audio Arcus.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
While there's some situations where I'd pick the Cirrus over the Arcus, in this case I would pick the Arcus over the Cirrus. Ryan said it's more dynamic which makes sense when you're running a 10" 93db sensitive midwoofer. Not sure if an arcus would come in for 4.5K though. I think it's got 2K worth of drivers alone. You'd have to ask him the cost (and for pics)
 
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gotchaforce

Junior Audioholic
Parties, an XPA-2, and 99.99% of speakers...

that sounds like a realllllly dangerous combination.



I don't like Paradigm speakers :p

I know you'll want speakers that sound great and can take a real beating too.

I've got four suggestions for you:

GedLee Abbey
JBL LSR6332
Audiokinesis Jazz Module
JTR Triple 8 or Quintuple 8

Any of these will sound much more balanced than the B&Ws and can play louder than you'll ever need, and can handle power if you need to feed them power. I'm confident that any of these will greatly impress you.
This guy knows what up.. super efficient speakers is what you want at parties where you have a tendency to turn up speakers more and more. If it was me id buy elemental design cinema 12 with DE250 tweeter upgrade with matte upgrade and see if i like waveguide sound...
 
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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
While there's some situations where I'd pick the Cirrus over the Arcus, in this case I would pick the Arcus over the Cirrus. Ryan said it's more dynamic which makes sense when you're running a 10" 93db sensitive midwoofer. Not sure if an arcus would come in for 4.5K though. I think it's got 2K worth of drivers alone. You'd have to ask him the cost (and for pics)
I don't see the Arcus on the website...

This guy knows what up.. super efficient speakers is what you want at parties where you have a tendency to turn up speakers more and more. If it was me id buy elemental design cinema 12 with DE250 tweeter upgrade with matte upgrade and see if i like waveguide sound...
Another good choice.
 
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83benz240

Audioholic Intern
So I haven't had as much time this week as I thought to do some research but I did get some base numbers together. I know there's a lot more to this than just price and watts but I'm nervous about blowing up $4,000 speakers with a high power amp.

I really liked the review of the Salk HT2 - TL. How would they handle the power from a XPA-2 amp? Is there a way to prevent or know before a speaker is about to destruct when turned up loud?

Here is the quick list I put together with them in order FOR NOW:

Salk HT2-TL $4,100 100-250
JTR Quintuple 8 $3,000 Up to 1600 Watts
Vapor Audio Arcus $3,700 30-250 watts - solid state
JBL LSR6332 $3,000 200 W continuous average; 800 W peak
Audiokinesis Jazz $4,500 5-150 watts (unclipped peaks up to 300 watts acceptable)
Paradigm Reference S6 $5,800 15-400 watts Suitable Amp Power 200 Max Power
GedLee Abbey $6,000


XPA-2 Amp 500 watts RMS @ 4 ohm (0.1% THD)

300 watts RMS @ 8 ohm (0.1% THD)
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I really liked the review of the Salk HT2 - TL. How would they handle the power from a XPA-2 amp? Is there a way to prevent or know before a speaker is about to destruct when turned up loud?
Not to scare you, but those Excel drivers are probably so good it'll probably sound great right until a woofer cone flies out of the box :eek:

IMO it, and their siblings the Philharmonics are great speakers but probably more suited to everyday levels. It's not a knock on the speaker it's just the design decisions made aren't well suited... I recommend sticking to things 93db sensitive or higher. It's more than just how many watts the amp is capable of - it's the amount of watts actually being drawn.

An 88db sensitive speaker, at 12 feet just for example, will draw ~25W which is a good bit of heat for a constant draw (IE a party or compressed music especially both) to keep up a ~90db level.

A 93db sensitive speaker will only draw ~8W for the same SPL. That's a third of the power!

A 97db sensitive speaker will be cruising along with only ~3W input for the same SPL! :D

As you can see, sensitivity is more important than the mundane "rated power handling" because the latter doesn't factor in program material.. or much at all really. It's normally an abritrary number.

It's funny, because even though it's a high-power CAPABLE amplifier, most of the music you'll listen to in parties won't be dynamic enough to hit the absolute peaks, although some can be. For the most part it'll be the constant draw that'll be a speaker killer, not the instanteous peak draw.

Mostly, it's bass that is the big draw as far as "peaks go" so you'll want lots of radiating surface area, huge voice coils, sufficient excursion on the (mid)woofers. There's very often more bass content from 80hz to 200hz than IMO there is below 80hz.

I mean, that doesn't mean high sensitivity is the end-all be-all either. It's all a balancing act :D

Vapor Audio Arcus $3,700 30-250 watts - solid state
Hey that's a better price than I expected. That thing has just under $2000 worth of drivers in it alone! That said lead times might be long (I don't know if he keeps the woofer in stock, and the lead times for the EXCELLENT acoustic elegance woofers can get kinda unpredictable.

BTW, don't sell the JBL LSRs short. If you took away the 20hz extension and fancy aesthetics and fancy cone materials, they're an extremely close sibling to the pricy Revel Salon 2; of which you'll find plenty of reviews if those float your boat.

In fact it's the speaker used in the Harman Kardon reference room:



Combine their very flat frequency response (with a 1db tweeter attenuation switch if you've got bright recordings), 93db sensitivity, 12" dual differential drive woofer, excellent 5" kevlar midrange with a huge voice coil, smooth off-axis response thanks to the waveguide loaded titanium dome tweeter, and there's a lot they do right. The JBL Professional stuff is well worth checking into!!
 
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zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Here is the quick list I put together with them in order FOR NOW:

Vapor Audio Arcus $3,700 30-250 watts - solid state
I believe that price is for the Cirrus - the Arcus should cost more,
they have some expensive parts.
 

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