Emotiva xpa5+xpa6 or xpa11 with Anthem avm60

Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
I have the Emo XPA-5 1st gen love that amp going on 6 years strong performs flawlessly. When I added the XPA -5, I wasn't expecting that much of an improvement, made a huge difference with clarity.

excellent and very nice to hear...!
thanks for the advice. are you running 11.2 setup (5.2.4 or 7.2.2) using xpa5 and 6...?
....and do you find that all 5 or 7 channels running with equal high power from 6 and 5 gives you better results compared to 3 main speakers (LCR) running higher power and the rest lower power...?
thanks
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
Nalin,

My set up is 5.1, with that being said the way my room is, meaning I can't get the surround set up (7.1) cause can't move my sofa any closer to my TV I mean I could but than I would be sitting about 5ft from it in order to properly set the back surrounds. But yeah when I added the amp it definitely improved sound quality. I know I said it made a hugh difference in my original post when I added my amp to me it did. Since my room not being that big before this AVR I am using now my set up was 5.1.2 without the XPA-5 in the loop. I decided that after sometime that ATMOS, DTS-X wasn't for me. To me, speaking for myself DTS-HDMaster audio won out. But since I haven't used 7.2.2 I can't really say that format is better. I have heard that set up in a much larger room at a friend's house to me it wasn't that much of a difference to convince me. Adding the amp to me made a difference. I won't go into with saying the amp made, say a guitar come alive or use those kind of words. I will say adding that amp improved the sound quality of my AVR with 2.1 and 5.1, was it a hugh Improvement? to me yes. Others may say not so much, this hobby is very subjective.
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
Nalin,

My set up is 5.1, with that being said the way my room is, meaning I can't get the surround set up (7.1) cause can't move my sofa any closer to my TV I mean I could but than I would be sitting about 5ft from it in order to properly set the back surrounds. But yeah when I added the amp it definitely improved sound quality. I know I said it made a hugh difference in my original post when I added my amp to me it did. Since my room not being that big before this AVR I am using now my set up was 5.1.2 without the XPA-5 in the loop. I decided that after sometime that ATMOS, DTS-X wasn't for me. To me, speaking for myself DTS-HDMaster audio won out. But since I haven't used 7.2.2 I can't really say that format is better. I have heard that set up in a much larger room at a friend's house to me it wasn't that much of a difference to convince me. Adding the amp to me made a difference. I won't go into with saying the amp made, say a guitar come alive or use those kind of words. I will say adding that amp improved the sound quality of my AVR with 2.1 and 5.1, was it a hugh Improvement? to me yes. Others may say not so much, this hobby is very subjective.
TechHDS,

thanks for your detailed feedback. much appreciated !!
currently i am using a Onkyo pa-mc5501 power amp with 9 channels. would I hear a massive difference if I go for any xpa combos - xpa3 + 9 or xpa5+6 or xpa11 that's my question..?

i am still struggling to find the right balance of which xpa combo to go.... once both xpa9 and 11 are out, I have some choices - xpa3 + 9 or xpa5+6 or xpa11 will give me 11 channels for my 7.2.2 setup. in my cabinet I have limited room for equipment so I look forward to test xpa11. the only downside I see with xpa11 is that the LCR get 300w power where the rest of the channels (surround and atmos) will only get 65w each. don't know if that is enough for movies...? that is the reason why I was looking at getting xpa5+6 to get 250w over all 7.2.2 channels. any thoughts please...? thanks
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
Nalin,


No doubt 250 watts pre channel would greatly improve the dynamics of your set-up. the reason most people add a amp is to improve the sound stage and dynamics, it is the main reason I added a amp. With just the amp in my AVR raising the volume to reference levels the sound stage would start to collapse (distortion) muddy lowend. The amp I have is 200 X 5 I can attest to the fact that with that amp I can bring it up to reference levels without the sound stage collapsing, lowend is defined. So yeah to answer your question in a word yes 250 X 5 would improve the sound stage and the dynamic swing at reference levels. Now some will say only if you use your system at reference levels than only than you will hear a difference. After all 100 watts is a 100 watts no matter how you slice it and to a point they would be right. We don't always crankup our systems everytime we fire up our set ups. At normal listening levels or below it would be hard to tell the difference between the amp in my AVR and my XPA 5. But when I get pass the 11 to 2 O'clock so called sweet spot, again on my set up without a doubt I notice the difference. One day soon I hope to add a nice pre-pro processor and be done with AVR's.
 
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Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
Nalin,


No doubt 250 watts pre channel would greatly improve the dynamics of your set-up. the reason most people add a amp is to improve the sound stage and dynamics, it is the main reason I added a amp. With just the amp in my AVR raising the volume to reference levels the sound stage would start to collapse (distortion) muddy lowend. The amp I have is 200 X 5 I can attest to the fact that with that amp I can bring it up to reference levels without the sound stage collapsing, lowend is defined. So yeah to answer your question in a word yes 250 X 5 would improve the sound stage and the dynamic swing at reference levels. Now some will say only if you use your system at reference levels than only than you will hear a difference. After all 100 watts is a 100 watts no matter how you slice it and to a point they would be right. We don't always crankup our systems everytime we fire up our set ups. At normal listening levels or below it would be hard to tell the difference between the amp in my AVR and my XPA 5. But when I get pass the 11 to 2 O'clock so called sweet spot, again on my set up without a doubt I notice the difference. One day soon I hope to add a nice pre-pro processor and be done with AVR's.

TechHDS,

thanks so much your input. much appreciated !! your information has given me very good facts. drop you a line if I have any more queries. thanks so much again !!

appreciated !
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
More power on hand whether you need it or not is normally a good thing, but unless the power is put to use, it won't improve sound quality. Obviously that assumes the amps being compared are designed to be transparent, with distortions well below a certain point.

People who reported hearing the so called huge, big, massive kind of difference simply by changing from one amp to another might have heard such difference for a variety of reasons that may or may not apply to you. The same go for the another side of the story, many reported no difference whatsoever. There are just too many variables, some are simply facts and figures related, whole others are subjective and that include people's preference, preconceived ideas and how prone they are to the Placebo effect.

If you are to stick with facts and figures, then it is a good idea to search out all available bench test data for the products being considered, instead of going with what others are telling you, that may not even be facts at all as they could have been affected by other subjective factors or, again, facts but not applicable to you.

I would like to add one more recommendation, that is, before making your decision, use the often linked peak spl calculator to find out how much power you really need. Then double it to determine your targeted power, to ensure the amps being considered will not be the bottleneck under the worse conditions. If you go beyond that, there is no problem but then you won't get any further SQ improvements and you have to be a little more careful to avoid damaging you speakers.
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
Nalin,

Your welcome Sir!.. it's been a pleasure chatting with you! Like you I am new to this forum and what I know of this hobby is from years of being in it. Now I claim to be No expert in audio video my post on your thread are mostly intendant for conversation purposes only. Many of the other members in this forum are much more qualified to seek out answers for on thing's of what you are seeking. Like PENG, lovinthehd, just to mention a few are a wealth of knowledge. Now I don't know them personally but I have read a lot of their Threads and post I can say they and other older members are very knowledgeable in this field. Follow one of these cool cats you will pickup some very good tips and advice from these guys. All I know is I love this hobby and enjoy reading the Threads and post in here. Again I am in no way a expert or claim to be one. As for what I have heard, or have tried and saying it made a difference or huge difference in my set up it has. Right, wrong or indifferent to any others perceive Persona of this Hobby is Purity subjective. Enjoy your Journey with your system after all the only thing that really matters is how You enjoy it.
 
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