Emotiva xpa5+xpa6 or xpa11 with Anthem avm60

Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
hello,

question for you... trying to decide to purchase power amplifier/s to go with anthem avm60 to run 11 channels - 7.2.4 setup (2x fronts - floor standing, centre, 2x back surrounds - small, 2x rears - small and 2x heights - full range in-ceiling) for movies (ATMOS). further listen to music using 2.2 (front and subs) setup.

my power amplifier options are:
1) xpa5 (250w) per channel + xpa6 (225w) per channel altogether 11 channels.
or
2) xpa3 (300w) per channel + xpa9 (?)
or
3) xpa11 (3x 300w and 8x 65w)

any thoughts on the above options vs best efficient way to drive my Anthem avm60 and Energy speakers would be greatly appreciated !!

Nalin
 
DigitalDawn

DigitalDawn

Senior Audioholic
You could go with an XPA-7 and a XPA-4.

I'm an Emotiva dealer. If we can help let me know.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
hello,

question for you... trying to decide to purchase power amplifier/s to go with anthem avm60 to run 11 channels - 7.2.4 setup (2x fronts - floor standing, centre, 2x back surrounds - small, 2x rears - small and 2x heights - full range in-ceiling) for movies (ATMOS). further listen to music using 2.2 (front and subs) setup.

my power amplifier options are:
1) xpa5 (250w) per channel + xpa6 (225w) per channel altogether 11 channels.
or
2) xpa3 (300w) per channel + xpa9 (?)
or
3) xpa11 (3x 300w and 8x 65w)

any thoughts on the above options vs best efficient way to drive my Anthem avm60 and Energy speakers would be greatly appreciated !!

Nalin
If your LRC speakers can do better with more powerful amps, then 2) would like a seem better choice, but could they do a xpa-8?

Also, why not consider Monolith's amp too?
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
You could go with an XPA-7 and a XPA-4.

I'm an Emotiva dealer. If we can help let me know.
hi, why do you recommend going with a 7 + 4 over the other 3 options...? please explain if you don't mind, and what is your price for the 7+4...? thanks
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
If your LRC speakers can do better with more powerful amps, then 2) would like a seem better choice, but could they do a xpa-8?

Also, why not consider Monolith's amp too?
thanks,
my LRC speakers are Energy exl:26 (can handle 150w and efficiency is 94db) and exl:c (can handle 100w and efficiency is 89db).

why do you recommend option 2)...?

I don't think Emotiva has a xpa8...
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
If your LRC speakers can do better with more powerful amps, then 2) would like a seem better choice, but could they do a xpa-8?

Also, why not consider Monolith's amp too?
with monolith amps there is no XLR option. thanks
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
thanks,
my LRC speakers are Energy exl:26 (can handle 150w and efficiency is 94db) and exl:c (can handle 100w and efficiency is 89db).

why do you recommend option 2)...?

I don't think Emotiva has a xpa8...
I have used a few pairs of Energy speakers in the past and still own some, but have never heard of Energy exl:26. You got me really curious now because based on the specs you posted, any decemt 200 WPC amp will be more than enough for those speakers. With that in mind, it really doesn't matter which option you choose. However, assuming you plan on using the same system for two channel music, it may still be better to use a XPA-3 for the front 3 channels. Less amps sharing the same power supply, and less heat produced should give some theoretical advantage.
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
I was guessing that's the case but thought I should ask just to be sure. So I assume you have to use long interconnects.
thanks !
not really, I currently using 2meter XLR interconnects from my current Onkyo pa-mc5501 (9 channel) power amp to the avm60.
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
I have used a few pairs of Energy speakers in the past and still own some, but have never heard of Energy exl:26. You got me really curious now because based on the specs you posted, any decemt 200 WPC amp will be more than enough for those speakers. With that in mind, it really doesn't matter which option you choose. However, assuming you plan on using the same system for two channel music, it may still be better to use a XPA-3 for the front 3 channels. Less amps sharing the same power supply, and less heat produced should give some theoretical advantage.
see below link for the exl:26. these are about 12 years old but great speakers -
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/energy-speaker-systems/e-xl-26/prd_119518_1594crx.aspx
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thanks. planning on using the same system for 2 channel music too. yes, Energy exl:26 actually can take 15-200w and the exl:c can take 15-100w. agree, xpa3 (300w) per channel will be ideal for the LRC.

what are your thoughts (how many watts do I need...) for the rest of the 9 channels - 2x surround backs, 2x rears and 2x in-ceiling speakers...? greatly appreciate your response. thanks
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
thanks !
not really, I currently using 2meter XLR interconnects from my current Onkyo pa-mc5501 (9 channel) power amp to the avm60.
In that case, I don't know why you would bother with xlr. In my experience, for such short interconnect (even if you double that length) there is absolutely no advantage of using xlr, may even be disadvantage.

If you are not bound to xlr, then imo the Monolith amps are comparable in price and better because they are class AB with linear power supply and made by ATI. They are much heavier though if that's a problem.

Also, with due respect, I am sure those speakers sound good but all they need is a mid range AVR. Spending more money on electronics won't make them sound better as they have good enough sensitivity and can't really take a lot of power anyway. The main advantage of using separates such as the amps you are considering is that you will have more choices of speakers that you can choose from, when you are ready to upgrade.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I vote for the XPA11.

If it were me, I would get six Crown XLS1002 amps. But then again, I have a dedicated equipment closet so I don't have to worry about aesthetics. :D
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
thanks for your input !
xpa11 is one unit with 3x 300w and 8x 65w. hope that is enough for the rear and atmos...
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
In that case, I don't know why you would bother with xlr. In my experience, for such short interconnect (even if you double that length) there is absolutely no advantage of using xlr, may even be disadvantage.

If you are not bound to xlr, then imo the Monolith amps are comparable in price and better because they are class AB with linear power supply and made by ATI. They are much heavier though if that's a problem.

Also, with due respect, I am sure those speakers sound good but all they need is a mid range AVR. Spending more money on electronics won't make them sound better as they have good enough sensitivity and can't really take a lot of power anyway. The main advantage of using separates such as the amps you are considering is that you will have more choices of speakers that you can choose from, when you are ready to upgrade.
agree, I thought balance cable and connection is better than unbalanced....!! I could be totally wrong.
do monolith do 11 channels...?
yes, you have a point....
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
agree, I thought balance cable and connection is better than unbalanced....!! I could be totally wrong.
do monolith do 11 channels...?
yes, you have a point....
Balanced can be better at being immune to noise over long runs, I wouldn't consider 2m to be long....
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
agree, I thought balance cable and connection is better than unbalanced....!! I could be totally wrong.
do monolith do 11 channels...?
yes, you have a point....
You are not totally wrong at all. In theory, everything else being equal, balanced should give you better signal to noise ratio regardless of the length of the interconnects. My comments are based on the following:

1. For whatever reasons, every bench tests I read in the past showed using balanced connections vs unbalanced of the same amps ended up with slightly worse SN ratio. I can only attribute this to factors from real world practical use, that the theoretical advantage of better SN ratio (by 3 dB) could not be realized.

2. Even in the rare cases (just assume), when you might get the maximum theoretical 6 dB advantage in SN, if you look at Emotiva's and Monolith's SN specs, their unbalanced SNs are well above the level where even human with super hearing could not tell the difference. Note: If you do have long runs of cables, then obviously balanced is the way to go, and in some cases, the only way to go.

3. Again, in theory, amplifiers that offer input to output (end to end) fully balanced (differential configuration) are supposed to have better distortion specs, but there are counter points:

a) The THD+N and IMD specs of most decent amps including Emotiva Gen3's and Monolith's are well below the level where even humans with super hearing could not tell the difference.

b) Emotiva's older XPR amps were supposedly trully/fully balanced, but I highly doubt the XPA Gen3s are, because they would have said so in their features/specs. Even if they were, I do not believe it would make any difference, in fact I would prefer that they are not fully balanced at their price point for the obvious reason (cost!!). You don't get something for nothing..

Monolith's do offer 2,3,5,7 channels, there are sales right now for the 3 and 5 channel ones.

https://www.monoprice.com/pages/monolith

You can get the 3 channel one for $899 and then get something smaller (e.g. from Outlaw or Emotiva) for the surround channels.
 
Nalin

Nalin

Enthusiast
You are not totally wrong at all. In theory, everything else being equal, balanced should give you better signal to noise ratio regardless of the length of the interconnects. My comments are based on the following:

1. For whatever reasons, every bench tests I read in the past showed using balanced connections vs unbalanced of the same amps ended up with slightly worse SN ratio. I can only attribute this to factors from real world practical use, that the theoretical advantage of better SN ratio (by 3 dB) could not be realized.

2. Even in the rare cases (just assume), when you might get the maximum theoretical 6 dB advantage in SN, if you look at Emotiva's and Monolith's SN specs, their unbalanced SNs are well above the level where even human with super hearing could not tell the difference. Note: If you do have long runs of cables, then obviously balanced is the way to go, and in some cases, the only way to go.

3. Again, in theory, amplifiers that offer input to output (end to end) fully balanced (differential configuration) are supposed to have better distortion specs, but there are counter points:

a) The THD+N and IMD specs of most decent amps including Emotiva Gen3's and Monolith's are well below the level where even humans with super hearing could not tell the difference.

b) Emotiva's older XPR amps were supposedly trully/fully balanced, but I highly doubt the XPA Gen3s are, because they would have said so in their features/specs. Even if they were, I do not believe it would make any difference, in fact I would prefer that they are not fully balanced at their price point for the obvious reason (cost!!). You don't get something for nothing..

Monolith's do offer 2,3,5,7 channels, there are sales right now for the 3 and 5 channel ones.

https://www.monoprice.com/pages/monolith

You can get the 3 channel one for $899 and then get something smaller (e.g. from Outlaw or Emotiva) for the surround channels.
thanks very much for your information and guiding me in the right paths. really value your comments !!
 
DigitalDawn

DigitalDawn

Senior Audioholic
hi, why do you recommend going with a 7 + 4 over the other 3 options...? please explain if you don't mind, and what is your price for the 7+4...? thanks
I can't quote my Emotiva prices in public. Please contact me at my email address below.
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
I have the Emo XPA-5 1st gen love that amp going on 6 years strong performs flawlessly. When I added the XPA -5, I wasn't expecting that much of an improvement, made a huge difference with clarity.
 
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