I havent had a chance to try loads of different cables so but if we already measure all of the parameters that make the wire sound different then we could specify the "perfect" wire in which case a lot of the wires would be very similar in construction.
There are many perfect wires since only the grossly different ones sound different as was pointed out about the 24 ga wire.
If there is no audible differences between 12 ga and 16 ga wire, then both must be perfect, no?
The differences in RCL and shielding probably do make a difference, I just dont think its the whole story.
You need to read the link further as it has measurements of 12 differeent cables with 12 different RLC. They are all ploted for respons, and in two amp/speaker setups. You will see that all are very close in response even though their RLC numbers are not. We also know from other research what we can detect, what the threshold of detect is. That is not a mystery after 100 years or acoustic research.
I find it quite interesting why the wire should make such a difference.
I would put the horse before the cart, not after it. In another word, we need to establish that wires do sound different. You have not, no one has unless it is grossly different such as 24 ga and 16 or 12ga.
To such an extent that I have heard two CD players made by different companies sound more alike, or less of a difference between them, than an interconnect wire.
So you think a CD player is easier to make to sound the same than wire? I would suggest using a better listeing protocol before you look for causes for differences between wires. No one has demonstrated differences unless broken.
For jo public it can be difficult to select a cable as the miriad of cables and marketing hype just serve to make the non technical person more confused.
One reason this place thrives, to help the less knowledgeable person
As for the skin effect question I read the quoted article and it confirms what I already thought.
I thought you stated it is not present at audio frequencies? The article indicates otherwise.
From a technical point of view the artical was very interesting however i was a little dissapointed that no listening tests were done to put more meaning to the artical.
It wasn't about audible differences in wire. It is about measured differences abnd responses.
Yes wire has been measured for a long time but how long since we looked at wire from an audio point of view.
What is so special about audio frequencies?
Since the audio quality tends to be subjective it is a little difficult to correlate with objective scientific measurement although not impossible.
Actually it is not difficult at all. Harman does it all the time. The NRC in canada does it all the time as does a number of speaker companies do this all the time.
http://www.crc.ca/en/html/aas/home/evaluation/evaluation#recent_tests
http://miragespeakers.com/nrc_story.shtml
Just out of interest what system do you have and what wire do you use also what wires have you tried and found bad and what wire have you found to be good or the best.
How is this relevant to the discussions here? I may not even have an audio system, or, I may be deaf. Neither is a requirement to post and discuss issues
We are discussing what you claimed, if I remember correctly.
The homeopathic medicin question is a little more difficult as you cant repeat the conditions exactly with an illnes and the million variations the people have, but when changing just the wire you can always go back to the previous condition so you can rule out most of the random influences.
Actually, it is as testable as any medicine tested today, under DBT, placebo controls, on the population. Right? It is done every day. Homeopathic medicines are not exempt from testing, reproduced by others.
Another thought is can we measure an amplifier and say it will sound better than another amplifier and be correct 100% of the time???
Well, that assumes that amps sound audibly different, right? You would need evidence to support that claim too. Good luck. Much testing will disappoint your beliefs about amps too, not just wires.
I like it when you start listening and cant stop listening to the music because it portrays the emotion, when you can almost touch the instuments and singers, close your eyes and you have the band infront of you with real depth.
I can have that experience in a car just as well. Or, listening to my boombox.
Enjoy some music tonight people )
Cheers
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Thanks. We'll do that
