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[bradymartin]

i dont think anything is wrong but im taking it to hsu friday so a tech can look at it.

lfe+mains im sure there would be much more bass and ill test it. but guys keep saying stereo mode with the sub playing and towers at 80 should put out more bass than the towers alone in direct. thats also my experience at frys audition. but its four 8' woofers compared to one 12' sub. i wouldnt have thought anything of this and left it alone but that is where my confusion lies

 

[panteragstk]

I wouldn't set the mains at 80hz if you don't like the results. I'd set them at full range and see what that gets you. lfe+main will get all the bass from the mains and route to the sub so you'll have both.

Try it. I bet you'll like what you hear.

 

[bradymartin]

i dont think it matters what crossover the mains are set at and running lfe + mains wont solve my issue.

the main issue and problem in my setup is the hsu vtf-2 mk5 puts out less bass in stereo mode plus the towers at 80 or 60, than the towers alone in direct mode. though in stereo mode its cleaner and fills the room more. in direct mode the towers bass lingers a bit, but definitely thumps harder and lower. specs say they go down to 32 and i believe it. towers are about 13 inches from the back wall. four 8 inch woofers compared to mk5 single 12 woofer.

i raised the sub from -6 to -2 in the speaker/test tone option a week or so ago, and maybe thats not doing anything. i barely hear the sub when i listen to the test tones compared to the other speakers.

im starting to think i need to raise the channel level of the sub in the setup menu. instead of the speaker/test tones option. but ive been advised raising the test tones option is the correct way to do it.

all speakers are set to 0 in the channel level option.

with my denon 1712 i always raised the channel level of the sub and that always did the trick. i never messed with the speaker/test tone option.

also, i dont think its a placement issue.

i went to frys again today and spent an hour switching from stereo mode and direct. stereo mode with sub running always had the loudest and deepest bass. but unfortunately this time, they had all klipsch rp towers, 280, 260, and 250 running at the same time in either mode. there is a 30% klipsch rp sale going. i didnt bother to ask frys employees to set it up with just the 280s, because they are useless and unenthusiastic.

tomorrow i am going to set the sub back to -6 in the speaker/test tones option, where audyssey set it in the first place. but i am going to raise the channel level from 0 to perhaps +4.

 

[bradymartin]

ok i reset speaker test tones option to original settings, and upped the sub by 4 in the channel levels.
i tried lfe+main and it sounded the same in stereo mode vs just lfe in stereo mode. both with eq2, two ports open. i left the mains at 80xo
direct mode still much stronger bass

should have known something was wrong when i first noticed the bass was not as powerful as my bic f12

made an appointment friday with hsu technician. an hour drive and my personal time, oh well
crossing my finders its the sub and not my new denon x3300 or both, or nothing is wrong at all. geez

 

[panteragstk]

ok i reset speaker test tones option to original settings, and upped the sub by 4 in the channel levels.
i tried lfe+main and it sounded the same in stereo mode vs just lfe in stereo mode. both with eq2, two ports open. i left the mains at 80xo
direct mode still much stronger bass

should have known something was wrong when i first noticed the bass was not as powerful as my bic f12

made an appointment friday with hsu technician. an hour drive and my personal time, oh well
crossing my finders its the sub and not my new denon x3300 or both, or nothing is wrong at all. geez

You do realize that because you have your mains crossed at 80hz you are cutting out the bottom end they are capable of? If you set them to full range they should have as much if not more impact than they do in direct.

I can see setting the sub crossover at 80hz (that's what I do as well as a lot of us here) and making sure that you don't have the built in crossover on the sub interfering with the receiver crossover setting.

 

[bradymartin]

i guess im not understanding or im not explaining myself correctly. the subwoofer is putting out less bass in stereo mode and lfe+mains, than the towers in direct, no matter what i do. even when i use eq2 two ports open. two towers with 2 8 inch woofers are outperforming a 12 sub in eq2 two ports open. if i set the towers to large that wont solve the problem.

either the sub is defective or i have some setting wrong in the avr.
hopefully friday this will get sorted out

 

[bradymartin]

back of sub

phase 0
eq1 or 2 depending movies or music
q control 0.7
crossover frequency 40 to 90, i have it at 90
crossover set to out

all testing im using youtube music with optical from avr to roku tv

 

[bradymartin]

i started over and upped the sub to -1 from -6 in speaker/test tones, and reset channel levels option to 0.

now the bass is almost the same in loudness between stereo and direct. i think theyl be even if i up to 0
the bass is definitely punchier in direct from towers only, but i think im liking stereo mode better now. fuller sound and fills the room better, but the highs seem toned down for some reason. audyssey flat, dyn eq on, dyn volume off.

i should never have gone to frys. stereo mode there the bass is pretty thunderous with that 10 sub, so that really threw me off. i expected the same here. but i dont know how they set their system up there.

ive been using a few test songs, good bass in them.

close by nick jonas and tove lo (dont hate, its a very good song)
lean on by major lazer & dj snake
dont let me down by daya and the chainsmokers
danger - 1:42

now im doubting anythings wrong, damn you frys electronics.
getting that happy grin on my face and listening loud.
time for a beer

 

[bradymartin]

i think its official now, i prefer stereo mode over direct now, even though the treble is slightly toned down. im wondering if what i percieve as toned down treble means too much bass overpowering the two tweeters in the towers. not sure. but in multi channel mode the treble comes right back up with the 450c tweeter.

11x11 room, two klipsch 280s, 450center and hsu mk5 sub sounds amazing in here. tight space
incredible setup
no ear fatigue at all after hours of listening.

switching between stereo and multi channel stereo now. multi channel stereo seems overly powerful. been up to 85db, but i think my fav is in between 80 and 85.

better not turn on the porn

 

[lovinthehd]

i think its official now, i prefer stereo mode over direct now, even though the treble is slightly toned down. im wondering if what i percieve as toned down treble means too much bass overpowering the tweeters. not sure

11x11 room, two klipsch 280s, 450center and hsu mk5 sub sounds amazing in here. tight space
incredible setup
no ear fatigue at all after hours of listening.

switching between stereo and multi channel stereo now. multi channel stereo seems overly powerful. been up to 85db, but i think my fav is in between 80 and 85.

better not turn on the porn

Could also be a processing difference, you may have some sort of eq engaged with stereo mode depending on setup.

 

[bradymartin]

Could also be a processing difference, you may have some sort of eq engaged with stereo mode depending on setup.

i have audyssey flat (i read flat doesnt roll off the highs, i like treble), and dyn eq on. not sure if that is engaged when using stereo mode.
havent tried audyssey bypass left and right. or try towers as large. lots of experimenting still to do.

keep going back and forth with stereo and multichannel stereo now, trying to decide.

hsu with eq2 both ports open much fuller sound compared to direct. sounds like a club in here.

i hadnt experimented this much before until today. a song here and there. i spent hours today.
ok im rambling now, beer is talking. dropped remote a few times.

 

[lovinthehd]

Yes, Audyssey will work in stereo mode, but you should be able turn it (Audyssey) off to match direct mode more. Audyssey/movie mode will roll off the highs a bit, flat/music should leave them alone, but with Audyssey engaged you do have some eq going on with your speakers. Bypass L/R means it won't eq your L/R speakers. I wouldn't use multich stereo except for parties, useless for most listening IMO. Whatcha drinking? Share in the beer thread perhaps...

 

[bradymartin]

there is def more treble when using multi channel stereo with that extra 450c tweeter. but oops i just checked and audyssey was set on reference. i forget when i restarted from the beginning today i used the quick select button which i had set after i ran audyssey a week ago. i set it to flat now.

audyssey/movie mode you mean audyssey reference mode? i have that on flat now.

drinking tecate light, gotta watch the weight.

 

[lovinthehd]

there is def more treble when using multi channel stereo with that extra 450c tweeter. but oops i just checked and audyssey was set on reference. i forget when i restarted from the beginning today i used the quick select button which i had set after i ran audyssey a week ago. i set it to flat now.

audyssey/movie mode you mean audyssey reference mode? i have that on flat now.

drinking tecate light, gotta watch the weight.

Multich stereo is useless but for parties afaic.

Sometimes ya just gotta check what that input is set to, reference/movie/Audyssey depending on avr are the same thing, the difference being if you use flat/music mode (or L/R Bypass or off, try off).

 

[bradymartin]

i think audyssey flat or reference was rolling off the highs in stereo mode.

ive had it on audyssey l/r bypass for a while now and to my ears the tweeter sounds just like in direct mode. i think ive settled on this setting for music, with dyn eq on