Do you know where I can find an AMP like this one?

J

JCanada

Audioholic
Comb filtering is what would happen if you ran two systems together at the same time playing the same thing.
Or two sets of speakers playing at the same time on the same system.
Bad idea and bad result.
"playing same thing same time"
Does this comb filtering occur if you have 2 systems, but you only play ONE system's speakers at one time? Example: The separate 2 channel amp is palying, and the AVR 7 channel amp is turned off. 2 bookshelf speakers from the AVR are NOT playing. There will STILL be interference?
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
Again,
You missed the point entirely.
Deezer, Spotify and YouTube are your garbage sources....wouldn't matter what you played them on.

You seem to have this idea that better equipment is going to improve those sources...which isn't going to happen.
Again, we are getting somewhere.
I ask you this: Where else am I supposed to get to my music from? I have never seen ANY source with the library of YouTube. None. You dial up a song and an artist, and you WILL find it on YouTube.
 
T

Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Now we are getting some where. Agreed, my ROKU is a "garbage source." Is there a "NON garbage source" streamer/player out there that has the feature that allows the user to interface with a remote control and a smart TV screen?
There are many streamers from which to choose. Things get more complicated when selecting a service to be used with a particular device. Lossless and Hi-Res support from a given service is not supported on just any device.

Your desire to use your particular services with a device that can feed a video signal to the TV and an audio signal to a DAC if a separate one is necessary is the reason I suggested the Nvidia Shield TV Pro. If you want Lossless, Hi-Res and Dolby Atmos signals from the likes of Amazon Music, Apple Music or Tidal, things get much more complicated. Folks using Qobuz on Yamaha's MusicCast are sleeping the sleep of the just.

There will be no issues using one system or the other at a time. But, optimal speaker placement of each will be more challenging with both setups in the same room.
 
isolar8001

isolar8001

Audioholic Field Marshall
"playing same thing same time"
Does this comb filtering occur if you have 2 systems, but you only play ONE system's speakers at one time? Example: The separate 2 channel amp is palying, and the AVR 7 channel amp is turned off. 2 bookshelf speakers from the AVR are NOT playing. There will STILL be interference?
No
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
There are many streamers from which to choose. Things get more complicated when selecting a service to be used with a particular device. Lossless and Hi-Res support from a given service is not supported on just any device.

Your desire to use your particular services with a device that can feed a video signal to the TV and an audio signal to a DAC if a separate one is necessary is the reason I suggested the Nvidia Shield TV Pro. If you want Lossless, Hi-Res and Dolby Atmos signals from the likes of Amazon Music, Apple Music or Tidal, things get much more complicated. Folks using Qobuz on Yamaha's MusicCast are sleeping the sleep of the just.

There will be no issues using one system or the other at a time. But, optimal speaker placement of each will be more challenging with both setups in the same room.
Understood
 
isolar8001

isolar8001

Audioholic Field Marshall
Again,


Again, we are getting somewhere.
I ask you this: Where else am I supposed to get to my music from? I have never seen ANY source with the library of YouTube. None. You dial up a song and an artist, and you WILL find it on YouTube.
You can buy your music in file or disc format from any retailer or places like BandCamp etc.
Or, you can raise the Jolly Roger. Which is easy as pie.
I can get anything I want in the best quality possible in an instant in file form to keep on my drives forever.
But, I'm not going to tell you how to do that.

Personally, I cant see how anyone is happy with streaming...even with the better quality tiers.
I tried Tidal HD once...for an hour, and never used it again.
Poor sound quality compared to my files of the same exact material.

Add to that, if your internet goes down, so does your hobby....that's just dumb.
 
Kingnoob

Kingnoob

Audioholic Samurai
So my potential "dream 2 system setup" in the same room is still potentially audio viable?
What is your current equipment??? If you hate your speakers get different ones no reason to add a seperate system. Save your money and get a speaker selector switch if you want to run two pairs.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Many post questions about issues in their systems or questions about equipment they may be considering adding to their systems. I don't believe any care to be judged for it or questioned time and again about why they want to do what it is they want to do. This f#%kin' thread is ten pages long so far mostly because many ignored the initial question and simply asked their own. Somebody wanted to do a very specific thing and asked if anybody knew of a device that could be used to do it. So the desire is to have two setups in the same room and use a device that can output video to a single TV from both setups. Big deal. Far crazier things have been attempted concerning audio equipment.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Understood
There are more s
Again,


Again, we are getting somewhere.
I ask you this: Where else am I supposed to get to my music from? I have never seen ANY source with the library of YouTube. None. You dial up a song and an artist, and you WILL find it on YouTube.
There a lot of ways of skinning this cat. Don't waste money on stand alone DACs unless you have a defined purpose like audio recording, mixing and editing. The DAC in you AVP or AVR will be fine. Unfortunately most two channel gear can be limiting because of lack of bass management or other facilities. This tends to drive the market to multichannel units, which is a pity and in my view needs to change.

Most people use streamers and smart TV apps. I don't. One reason is I don't think they are handy, they are also restrictive, especially if you are orientated to classical music.

So I use computers and one App on my TV, for the BPO that has Atmos streams not available via Windows.

In the AV room I have DAW for audio streaming, recording and editing. For AV streams I watch, I have an HTPC I built round a gaming board.

Now at the request of my wife, I built a system for our Great Room. My wife loves this system. And honestly of the three systems this is the one that garners the most interest from visitors, who would just love to have something similar. This is especially true of soundbar owners! I think there are lessons for the AV industry here, and the building industry, come to that.

The computer is a small NUC, five years old and replaced two days ago, to update to Windows 12. More about this in below.



The NUC is the little silver unit, bottom shelf left.

Two days ago we replaced it with this.

On opening it up I could not believe the superb quality of the unit and it already had Windows 12 loaded.

It controls from the same radio keyboard as the last one. It worked first time, and after set up worked just like the previous one. My wife has had zero issues using the new unit right away.

I think a unit like that is a much better way to get high quality streaming, and you can grab any high quality streams out there. Many are unknown and unavailable to those using streamers.
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
There are more s


There a lot of ways of skinning this cat. Don't waste money on stand alone DACs unless you have a defined purpose like audio recording, mixing and editing. The DAC in you AVP or AVR will be fine. Unfortunately most two channel gear can be limiting because of lack of bass management or other facilities. This tends to drive the market to multichannel units, which is a pity and in my view needs to change.

Most people use streamers and smart TV apps. I don't. One reason is I don't think they are handy, they are also restrictive, especially if you are orientated to classical music.

So I use computers and one App on my TV, for the BPO that has Atmos streams not available via Windows.

In the AV room I have DAW for audio streaming, recording and editing. For AV streams I watch, I have an HTPC I built round a gaming board.

Now at the request of my wife, I built a system for our Great Room. My wife loves this system. And honestly of the three systems this is the one that garners the most interest from visitors, who would just love to have something similar. This is especially true of soundbar owners! I think there are lessons for the AV industry here, and the building industry, come to that.

The computer is a small NUC, five years old and replaced two days ago, to update to Windows 12. More about this in below.



The NUC is the little silver unit, bottom shelf left.

Two days ago we replaced it with this.

On opening it up I could not believe the superb quality of the unit and it already had Windows 12 loaded.

It controls from the same radio keyboard as the last one. It worked first time, and after set up worked just like the previous one. My wife has had zero issues using the new unit right away.

I think a unit like that is a much better way to get high quality streaming, and you can grab any high quality streams out there. Many are unknown and unavailable to those using streamers.

Cool set-up.
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
What is your current equipment??? If you hate your speakers get different ones no reason to add a seperate system. Save your money and get a speaker selector switch if you want to run two pairs.
Current system is the following:
Sony TV
Onkyo 7 channel AVR
Wharfedle Book shelf speakers
ROKU and a Chromecast streaming music apps. (Spotify, SiriusXM, Deezer, youTube).
I will at the very least get a 2nd set of speakers as my 1st step.
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
You can buy your music in file or disc format from any retailer or places like BandCamp etc.
Or, you can raise the Jolly Roger. Which is easy as pie.
I can get anything I want in the best quality possible in an instant in file form to keep on my drives forever.
But, I'm not going to tell you how to do that.

Personally, I cant see how anyone is happy with streaming...even with the better quality tiers.
I tried Tidal HD once...for an hour, and never used it again.
Poor sound quality compared to my files of the same exact material.

Add to that, if your internet goes down, so does your hobby....that's just dumb.

Yeah, that has happened to me before. No internet, no music.
I am not the most tech computer savvy when it comes to downloading music files. The apps made it a bit easy. As far as sound quality, I guess your right.
Navigating through the music apps with a remote is enjoyable.
I have never even tried to go the "music files/music server etc".. route. I wouldn't know where to begin. It sounds intimidating.
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
Many post questions about issues in their systems or questions about equipment they may be considering adding to their systems. I don't believe any care to be judged for it or questioned time and again about why they want to do what it is they want to do. This f#%kin' thread is ten pages long so far mostly because many ignored the initial question and simply asked their own. Somebody wanted to do a very specific thing and asked if anybody knew of a device that could be used to do it. So the desire is to have two setups in the same room and use a device that can output video to a single TV from both setups. Big deal. Far crazier things have been attempted concerning audio equipment.

You actually got it. Congrats. And thank you.
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
There are many streamers from which to choose. Things get more complicated when selecting a service to be used with a particular device. Lossless and Hi-Res support from a given service is not supported on just any device.

Your desire to use your particular services with a device that can feed a video signal to the TV and an audio signal to a DAC if a separate one is necessary is the reason I suggested the Nvidia Shield TV Pro. If you want Lossless, Hi-Res and Dolby Atmos signals from the likes of Amazon Music, Apple Music or Tidal, things get much more complicated. Folks using Qobuz on Yamaha's MusicCast are sleeping the sleep of the just.

There will be no issues using one system or the other at a time. But, optimal speaker placement of each will be more challenging with both setups in the same room.
You might have answered this before, but again, the thread is 10 pages. Does the Nvidia Shield output a higher quality digital sound than ROKU and Chromecast? Higher resolution bit rate etc etc?
 
J

JCanada

Audioholic
You missed the point entirely.
Deezer, Spotify and YouTube are your garbage sources....wouldn't matter what you played them on.

You seem to have this idea that better equipment is going to improve those sources...which isn't going to happen.

If Deezer Spotify YouTube SiriusXM are garbage sources, I am assuming that streaming them through an Nvidia Shield over a ROKU or a Chromecast will not really improve anything, correct?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
If Deezer Spotify YouTube SiriusXM are garbage sources, I am assuming that streaming them through an Nvidia Shield over a ROKU or a Chromecast will not really improve anything, correct?
Correct. Of those I only use YouTube and it actually sounds very good. I think that is because their codec is so good.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
If Deezer Spotify YouTube SiriusXM are garbage sources, I am assuming that streaming them through an Nvidia Shield over a ROKU or a Chromecast will not really improve anything, correct?
I'd think of it more as your gear is fine now for anything you'll stream from those sources, the streamer is more a matter of connectivity/convenience.
 
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