Do you know where I can find an AMP like this one?

[JCanada]

Hello again. I am looking for a 2 channel amp, with the following. Has pre-outs to connect an external power amp. Has a pre-out connection for a sub. I want this amp to have NO Internal DAC. NO digital connections, (optical, coaxial). I am into the asthetic. I like the look of bigger amps. Examples: Yamaha A-S801, Cambridge Audio, Onkyo, Rotel, etc..etc..
Are there any amps or pre-amps out there for under $1,000.00, $1,100.00 USD?
Let me know. Thanks again.

 

[TLS Guy]

Hello again. I am looking for a 2 channel amp, with the following. Has pre-outs to connect an external power amp. Has a pre-out connection for a sub. I want this amp to have NO Internal DAC. NO digital connections, (optical, coaxial). I am into the asthetic. I like the look of bigger amps. Examples: Yamaha A-S801, Cambridge Audio, Onkyo, Rotel, etc..etc..
Are there any amps or pre-amps out there for under $1,000.00, $1,100.00 USD?
Let me know. Thanks again.

What in the H has aesthetic got to do with having no digital connections?

What you asking for requires digital technology. As far as I know we don't keep the rear of our units in view.

Anyway you are not looking for an amp, but a preamp.

This is not a fashion show. In short you are in the JPN classification.

 

[Mikado463]

JCanada, it's obvious by your post, you have no real idea what you're looking for ??

I suggest you continue to 'follow the yellow brick road' , Good luck !

 

[little wing]

Hello again. I am looking for a 2 channel amp, with the following. Has pre-outs to connect an external power amp. Has a pre-out connection for a sub. I want this amp to have NO Internal DAC. NO digital connections, (optical, coaxial). I am into the asthetic. I like the look of bigger amps. Examples: Yamaha A-S801, Cambridge Audio, Onkyo, Rotel, etc..etc..
Are there any amps or pre-amps out there for under $1,000.00, $1,100.00 USD?
Let me know. Thanks again.

A two channel amp that has pre-outs?

 

[dolynick]

He's simply looking for an integrated amp with pre-outs and a sub-out.

He wants it all analog though, which might make it a bit trickier. Off-hand I can't think of one.

Analog integrated with pre-outs? Sure. I own one myself. No sub-out though. That's generally been more common on receivers or units with digital portions of their front-end. If digital being available (even if not used), then the stereo receiver market becomes an option too.

Edit:

The Marantz Stereo 70 is something along the lines of what you want. Pre-out and Sub-out but it does have an integrated DAC. It's also reviewed as not the greatest little amp on the power side.

The Cambridge Audio CX81 Mk II is class AB with pre and sub outs as well. But also has an integrated DAC. It's a little over your price range though as it looks like it falls at $1799 USD. Maybe a gently used model?

This is assuming you're wanting to use the internal amps along with an external, otherwise a pre-amp would make more sense.

 

[dlaloum]

The primary problem with your requested spec, is that for there to be a Sub out, there needs to be some form of cross over processing to split out the Sub channel from a standard stereo feed.

in 99.9% of cases in todays audio world, that crossover would be achieved in the digital domain.

An alternative option for you would be to use a subwoofer that has stereo input and output - so you loop the Sub into the circuit before the power amp - such subs are not uncommon, and provide the crossover capability in the sub.

With that type of sub, you can then run a standard analogue stereo preamp ...

 

[highfigh]

A two channel amp that has pre-outs?

Some have had that, so other amplifiers could be wired as a daisy-chain, most often for distributed audio systems- one pair of line out cables, almost endless number of channels of output. It's not perfect but many have buffered outputs, so it's not like a large number of amps on one output, simply parallel. They tend to not be high end amps, though.

 

[highfigh]

The primary problem with your requested spec, is that for there to be a Sub out, there needs to be some form of cross over processing to split out the Sub channel from a standard stereo feed.

in 99.9% of cases in todays audio world, that crossover would be achieved in the digital domain.

An alternative option for you would be to use a subwoofer that has stereo input and output - so you loop the Sub into the circuit before the power amp - such subs are not uncommon, and provide the crossover capability in the sub.

With that type of sub, you can then run a standard analogue stereo preamp ...

The stereo amp with a set of output jacks would work for a subwoofer by sending line out to the sub and using its level control to balance its SPL with the main speakers- the volume control would vary the mains and sub level.

 

[little wing]

Some have had that, so other amplifiers could be wired as a daisy-chain, most often for distributed audio systems- one pair of line out cables, almost endless number of channels of output. It's not perfect but many have buffered outputs, so it's not like a large number of amps on one output, simply parallel. They tend to not be high end amps, though.

ok, makes sense. thanks for that. I guess I'm old and simple minded, lol. AVR, 5 speakers, a sub, and couple of sources

 

[JCanada]

A two channel amp that has pre-outs?

Yes. No DAC, with a SUB Pre-out, and Pre-outs for an external power amp.

 

[JCanada]

What in the H has aesthetic got to do with having no digital connections?

What you asking for requires digital technology. As far as I know we don't keep the rear of our units in view.

Anyway you are not looking for an amp, but a preamp.

This is not a fashion show. In short you are in the JPN classification.

What in the H has aesthetic got to do with having no digital connections?

What you asking for requires digital technology. As far as I know we don't keep the rear of our units in view.

Anyway you are not looking for an amp, but a preamp.

This is not a fashion show. In short you are in the JPN classification.

"...What in the H has aesthetic got to do with having no digital connections?..."
I don't get your TONE here pal. Pun intended.Maybe it's "me."
When I said "aesthetic", I was referring to the entire amplifier in general, and how it looks. I used the Yamaha A-S801 as an example of what i like, in terms of looks.
When I mentioned "digital connections", I was trying convey the fact that I am not looking for an amp with an internal DAC built in. I will connect my own separate DAC.
Correction. 2 channel amps or pre-amps with NO digital connections DO exist. Yamaha built a few just a while back, (Yamaha R-S202). Problem is, they had no pre-outs for subs or power amps.
I am also not sure of that "fashion show" comment either.
Any how, CHEERS pal.

 

[Steve81]

Yes. No DAC, with a SUB Pre-out, and Pre-outs for an external power amp.

A useful subwoofer pre-out sans DAC is pretty rare since bass management tends to happen in the digital domain. I only know of one product for sure that did any sort of bass management in the analog realm, but it still has a DAC.

 

[JCanada]

JCanada, it's obvious by your post, you have no real idea what you're looking for ??

I suggest you continue to 'follow the yellow brick road' , Good luck !

'follow the yellow brick road'.......
Very creative.

 

[JCanada]

A useful subwoofer pre-out sans DAC is pretty rare since bass management tends to happen in the digital domain. I only know of one product for sure that did any sort of bass management in the analog realm, but it still has a DAC.

Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

He's simply looking for an integrated amp with pre-outs and a sub-out.

He wants it all analog though, which might make it a bit trickier. Off-hand I can't think of one.

Analog integrated with pre-outs? Sure. I own one myself. No sub-out though. That's generally been more common on receivers or units with digital portions of their front-end. If digital being available (even if not used), then the stereo receiver market becomes an option too.

Edit:

The Marantz Stereo 70 is something along the lines of what you want. Pre-out and Sub-out but it does have an integrated DAC. It's also reviewed as not the greatest little amp on the power side.

The Cambridge Audio CX81 Mk II is class AB with pre and sub outs as well. But also has an integrated DAC. It's a little over your price range though as it looks like it falls at $1799 USD. Maybe a gently used model?

This is assuming you're wanting to use the internal amps along with an external, otherwise a pre-amp would make more sense.

I think you are right. I searched far and wide in the last 48 hours, and all I was able to find were amps with sub pre-outs, power amp per-outs, but they ALL had internal DACS. I might go with one of those lower watt output amps so I don't pay for the amplifier power, since I will be adding an external power amp. Your reply was of great assistance. I thank you kindly. Appreciated.

 

[JCanada]

A useful subwoofer pre-out sans DAC is pretty rare since bass management tends to happen in the digital domain. I only know of one product for sure that did any sort of bass management in the analog realm, but it still has a DAC.

Thanks.

 

[Steve81]

I guess my only advice would be just to ignore the DAC as a feature, vs actively avoiding it. It won’t result in any audible degradation, potentially quite the contrary. Bass management as mentioned before as well as room correction happens in the digital domain, even with analog sources. As such, devices have not just DACs but ADCs. Basically, dropping the no DAC clause opens up a few possibilities. As is, I got nada that is in the sub- 1k class.

 

[JCanada]

The primary problem with your requested spec, is that for there to be a Sub out, there needs to be some form of cross over processing to split out the Sub channel from a standard stereo feed.

in 99.9% of cases in todays audio world, that crossover would be achieved in the digital domain.

An alternative option for you would be to use a subwoofer that has stereo input and output - so you loop the Sub into the circuit before the power amp - such subs are not uncommon, and provide the crossover capability in the sub.

With that type of sub, you can then run a standard analogue stereo preamp ...

Thank you.

 

[JCanada]

I guess my only advice would be just to ignore the DAC as a feature, vs actively avoiding it. It won’t result in any audible degradation, potentially quite the contrary. Bass management as mentioned before as well as room correction happens in the digital domain, even with analog sources. As such, devices have not just DACs but ADCs. Basically, dropping the no DAC clause opens up a few possibilities. As is, I got nada that is in the sub- 1k class.

Thank you.

 

[Steve81]

One option