Do you know where I can find an AMP like this one?

[JCanada]

I guess my only advice would be just to ignore the DAC as a feature, vs actively avoiding it. It won’t result in any audible degradation, potentially quite the contrary. Bass management as mentioned before as well as room correction happens in the digital domain, even with analog sources. As such, devices have not just DACs but ADCs. Basically, dropping the no DAC clause opens up a few possibilities. As is, I got nada that is in the sub- 1k class.

Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

One option

One option

Thank you. I am looking at that EMOTIVA power amp as well.

 

[Steve81]

Thank you. I am looking at that EMOTIVA power amp as well.

I ran an Emotiva DAC/preamp with one of their power amps for years. A friend is still using them years later. Was a great bang for the buck.

 

[highfigh]

"...What in the H has aesthetic got to do with having no digital connections?..."
I don't get your TONE here pal. Pun intended.Maybe it's "me."
When I said "aesthetic", I was referring to the entire amplifier in general, and how it looks. I used the Yamaha A-S801 as an example of what i like, in terms of looks.
When I mentioned "digital connections", I was trying convey the fact that I am not looking for an amp with an internal DAC built in. I will connect my own separate DAC.
Correction. 2 channel amps or pre-amps with NO digital connections DO exist. Yamaha built a few just a while back, (Yamaha R-S202). Problem is, they had no pre-outs for subs or power amps.
I am also not sure of that "fashion show" comment either.
Any how, CHEERS pal.

They all have some level of DAC- it's not optional, at this point but you can use one of the analog inputs to connect the DAC you have or choose.

If you can't/have a hard time finding what you want WRT second outputs, you can use Y-cords and the settings on the subwoofer but you won't have a high pass filter for the main speakers.

I know it's not Yamaha and it's not an integrated amp, but the receiver below has analog inputs, Pre-out, Sub out and decent power of its own.

https://www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/dra-900h/300788-new.html

 

[lovinthehd]

I think you are right. I searched far and wide in the last 48 hours, and all I was able to find were amps with sub pre-outs, power amp per-outs, but they ALL had internal DACS. I might go with one of those lower watt output amps so I don't pay for the amplifier power, since I will be adding an external power amp. Your reply was of great assistance. I thank you kindly. Appreciated.

You're looking for a pre-amp rather than integrated amp it sounds like....why pay for any amps if you're not going to use them? I don't understand not incorporating a dac into the pre-amp, tho. This is for a second system aside from your avr setup?

 

[everettT]

I'm just curious what a DAC doesn't to your signal chain and what DAC do you currently have? If I was looking for a preamp that has a sub output, I'd want a level of bass management, unless your sub has built-in bass management..

 

[JCanada]

I'm just curious what a DAC doesn't to your signal chain and what DAC do you currently have? If I was looking for a preamp that has a sub output, I'd want a level of bass management, unless your sub has built-in bass management..

I am not sure about your question. Can you ask again in detail please? Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

They all have some level of DAC- it's not optional, at this point but you can use one of the analog inputs to connect the DAC you have or choose.

If you can't/have a hard time finding what you want WRT second outputs, you can use Y-cords and the settings on the subwoofer but you won't have a high pass filter for the main speakers.

I know it's not Yamaha and it's not an integrated amp, but the receiver below has analog inputs, Pre-out, Sub out and decent power of its own.

https://www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/dra-900h/300788-new.html

Thanks.

 

[Steve81]

I am not sure about your question. Can you ask again in detail please? Thanks.

I think he’s just trying to say that if you buy a product with an extraneous DAC, it won’t result in any signal degradation. Cost is pretty minimal at this point as well. We’re talking pennies in some cases.

 

[JCanada]

The primary problem with your requested spec, is that for there to be a Sub out, there needs to be some form of cross over processing to split out the Sub channel from a standard stereo feed.

in 99.9% of cases in todays audio world, that crossover would be achieved in the digital domain.

An alternative option for you would be to use a subwoofer that has stereo input and output - so you loop the Sub into the circuit before the power amp - such subs are not uncommon, and provide the crossover capability in the sub.

With that type of sub, you can then run a standard analogue stereo preamp ...

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

He's simply looking for an integrated amp with pre-outs and a sub-out.

He wants it all analog though, which might make it a bit trickier. Off-hand I can't think of one.

Analog integrated with pre-outs? Sure. I own one myself. No sub-out though. That's generally been more common on receivers or units with digital portions of their front-end. If digital being available (even if not used), then the stereo receiver market becomes an option too.

Edit:

The Marantz Stereo 70 is something along the lines of what you want. Pre-out and Sub-out but it does have an integrated DAC. It's also reviewed as not the greatest little amp on the power side.

The Cambridge Audio CX81 Mk II is class AB with pre and sub outs as well. But also has an integrated DAC. It's a little over your price range though as it looks like it falls at $1799 USD. Maybe a gently used model?

This is assuming you're wanting to use the internal amps along with an external, otherwise a pre-amp would make more sense.

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

I think he’s just trying to say that if you buy a product with an extraneous DAC, it won’t result in any signal degradation. Cost is pretty minimal at this point as well. We’re talking pennies in some cases.

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

[JCanada]

The stereo amp with a set of output jacks would work for a subwoofer by sending line out to the sub and using its level control to balance its SPL with the main speakers- the volume control would vary the mains and sub level.

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

[Steve81]

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

In truth, it’s not the route I would take. My rig consists of a NAD integrated streaming amp hooked up to a couple sources feeding a pair of KEF R3 Metas and a Rythmik subwoofer. It’s simple but effective. Still, this is about what makes you happy. If that’s tubes, I don’t judge.

 

[highfigh]

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

You don't need tubes- that doesn't address your needs and wants. The sub't line out jack aren't required, you can just as easily send the signal from the preamp to the sub and power amp directly from the preamp and i t would likely work/sound better because it eliminates the long detour- if you were using balanced output, distance wouldn't matter but when the equipment has RCA jacks, it's calld 'unbalanced' and it's prone to signal/frequency loss and noise.

You didn't mention replacing the Monitor sub and it's really not necessary unless you actually send the signal on a long trip from preamp to sub and then, to the power amp. That's probably not in your budget and it really won't help anything, other than possibly increasing the store employee's commission from selling long cables- what brand was he pushing, AudioQuest?

 

[highfigh]

You originally posted that you wanted to spend $1000-$1100, now you're saying $5000 but one thing you haven't mentioned: what are you using now?

Not wanting digital inputs/DAC is fine, but there's no reason to avoid using the onboard circuits unless you just don't want to believe that they can be as good as a separate DAC. This has been discussed at length on AudioHolics and elsewhere if you want to take the time to read what has been shown.

SIB-KIS. See It Big-Keep It Simple.

 

[everettT]

I am not sure about your question. Can you ask again in detail please? Thanks.

I was asking what a DAC does to your signal chain that you're looking to avoid. You said you have a DAC already, what model is it?

 

[lovinthehd]

Your advice was helpful. I got some help from a Hi-Fi store employee as well. I will most likely buy a TUBE pre-amp. I am will probably be connecting my DAC to the TUBE pre-amp line in, then running 2 RCA's from the pre-amp's Pre-Outs to a sub's Line Level Inputs, then run 2 RCA's out of the sub's Line Level outputs to a power amplifier. Let me know what you think of my potential set up. I am trying to keep it under $5K in total. I have to replace my Monitor Audio W10 subwoofer, because it has no RCA line outs. (Unless I am missing something with my Monotor Audio W10 sub). I will upgrade my existing sub to a Monitor Audio Anthra W12 sub. (Anthra has RCA inputs and RCA outputs). Again, let me know what you think. Thanks.

You don't need to change subs just for rca outputs on the sub. Just use splitters to send signal from pre-amp to amp and sub simultaneously.

 

[JCanada]

You don't need to change subs just for rca outputs on the sub. Just use splitters to send signal from pre-amp to amp and sub simultaneously.

Yes. That is true. Y splitter. Thanks again.
I have another question.
An analogue 2 channel tube pre-amp form Schitt, the FREYA +, has 2 sets of RCA outs. Can I use one set of RCA pre outs to my sub, and another set of RCA pre outs to my power amplifier?

 

[JCanada]

I was asking what a DAC does to your signal chain that you're looking to avoid. You said you have a DAC already, what model is it?

Cambridge Audio, DAC Magic 100.