I don't need 9 amps in a box. AVR's are great if that's what you want. I am not putting down AVR's. They have come a long way. I've had a couple. I can always upgrade a sub and speakers later. My problem with this is getting an answer for the RCA inputs utilizing the DAC that's in it utilizing SACD. It shows DSD is only through the USB input, but the matching DCD 166NE SACD player only has RCA, optical and coax outs. I can't get a straight answer from Denon, or anybody else. I still have an older SACD, DVD Audio player I just changed the laser lens on and want to still use that. I can't upgrade everything now. But I do appreciate all your input. I agree, it's hard to find everything in an integrated, but I've been without an amp for a while. I'm going to keep searching until I get one that works. I have been using my LV10 phone and headphones which is not quite like a system, but until then, keep searching for the system that works.