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Mr._Clark

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If they’re idiots they aren’t really educated.
This is a rather pointless discussion, but I'll throw in my .00002 anyway.

Merriam Websters defines an idiot as being "a foolish or stupid person."

Merriam Websters defines foolish as: "having or showing a lack of good sense, judgement, or discretion."

Merriam Websters defines "educated" as "having an education . . . especially : having an education beyond the average."

I suppose "idiot" is somewhat subjective, but it seems to apply to Garry Hoy if idiot is taken to mean something akin to a lack of good sense, judgement, or discretion:

>>>Garry Hoy (January 1, 1955 – July 9, 1993) was a lawyer for the law firm of Holden Day Wilson in Toronto who died when he fell from the 24th floor of his office building in Toronto. In an attempt to prove to a group of prospective articling students that the glass windows of the Toronto-Dominion Centre were unbreakable, he threw himself against the glass. The glass did not break when he hit it, but the window frame gave way and he fell to his death. . . Garry Hoy was a corporate and securities law specialist in Toronto. He had also completed an engineering degree before studying law.<<<

 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Good grief, just when I thought I'd heard it all, there's this:

>>>A private school in the fashionable Design District of Miami sent its faculty and staff a letter last week about getting vaccinated against Covid-19. But unlike institutions that have encouraged and even facilitated vaccination for teachers, the school, Centner Academy, did the opposite: One of its co-founders, Leila Centner, informed employees “with a very heavy heart” that if they chose to get a shot, they would have to stay away from students.<<<

Truly amazing how much misinformation and foolishness exists.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
This is a rather pointless discussion, but I'll throw in my .00002 anyway.
I wish it was pointless, and it is for most topics except COVID19. The uneducated, the poorly-educated, and the deniers of science are going to extend this pandemic longer than necessary, killing possibly millions in the process.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
I wish it was pointless, and it is for most topics except COVID19. The uneducated, the poorly-educated, and the deniers of science are going to extend this pandemic longer than necessary, killing possibly millions in the process.
I wish that was the only thing they were doing.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Field Marshall
Interesting lasting side effects after the 2nd shot. My wife had her 2nd shot 4/17 and has this little lingering headache and no other effects at all.. I was speaking to an older neighbor and he had his 2nd shot 5 weeks ago, and also has a lingering pesky he calls it little headache. He also mentioned another friend of his in Orlando 10 weeks out from his 2nd shot, also a pesky little headache. I had my 2nd March 17 and had NO side effects at all even to this day. Interesting how these shots effect different people. And one common thing is we all are out in the sun, either boating, kayaking, fishing or at the beach or working in the yard. That's all we have in common.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Interesting lasting side effects after the 2nd shot. My wife had her 2nd shot 4/17 and has this little lingering headache and no other effects at all.. I was speaking to an older neighbor and he had his 2nd shot 5 weeks ago, and also has a lingering pesky he calls it little headache. He also mentioned another friend of his in Orlando 10 weeks out from his 2nd shot, also a pesky little headache. I had my 2nd March 17 and had NO side effects at all even to this day. Interesting how these shots effect different people. And one common thing is we all are out in the sun, either boating, kayaking, fishing or at the beach or working in the yard. That's all we have in common.
The CDC recommends you discuss possible side effects with a physician, if they haven't gone away after a few days.

Possible Side Effects After Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

"In most cases, discomfort from pain or fever is a normal sign that your body is building protection. Contact your doctor or healthcare provider:
  • If the redness or tenderness where you got the shot gets worse after 24 hours
  • If your side effects are worrying you or do not seem to be going away after a few days"


A headache that lingers on for a more than a week would concern me.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
A headache that lingers on for a more than a week would concern me.
Try telling that to my wife...

All jokes aside she has really bad allergies that just don't seem to go away. Our second shot is in two days and she's dreading the side effects. WIth my luck it'll put me on the floor and she'll be fine.

I'm ok with that.
 
Gmoney

Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
Been 17 days since my 2nd COVID-19 shot. There where side effects.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Chief
I wish it was pointless, and it is for most topics except COVID19. The uneducated, the poorly-educated, and the deniers of science are going to extend this pandemic longer than necessary, killing possibly millions in the process.
A lack of education is actually not the problem.

>>>For years, scientists and doctors have treated vaccine skepticism as a knowledge problem. If patients were hesitant to get vaccinated, the thinking went, they simply needed more information. . . . “The instinct from the medical community was, ‘If only we could educate them,’” said Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, who studies vaccine skepticism. “It was patronizing and, as it turns out, not true.”<<<

 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
A lack of education is actually not the problem.

>>>For years, scientists and doctors have treated vaccine skepticism as a knowledge problem. If patients were hesitant to get vaccinated, the thinking went, they simply needed more information. . . . “The instinct from the medical community was, ‘If only we could educate them,’” said Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, who studies vaccine skepticism. “It was patronizing and, as it turns out, not true.”<<<

I think you've misunderstood what I was saying, or I was just being unclear. Giving more information to people who have no substantive science or technology knowledge or training is obviously not going to work. The education I was referring to is not just your physician talking to you, it's the basic concepts of science that some large fraction of the population in the US never really learned. Sometimes more information just feeds an uneducated person's fears.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Field Marshall
A lack of education is actually not the problem.

>>>For years, scientists and doctors have treated vaccine skepticism as a knowledge problem. If patients were hesitant to get vaccinated, the thinking went, they simply needed more information. . . . “The instinct from the medical community was, ‘If only we could educate them,’” said Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, who studies vaccine skepticism. “It was patronizing and, as it turns out, not true.”<<<

We have licensed medical doctors that practice homeopathy so medical education should not be an issue, but here we are. Personally I would avoid being treated by such doctors.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Field Marshall
The CDC recommends you discuss possible side effects with a physician, if they haven't gone away after a few days.

Possible Side Effects After Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

"In most cases, discomfort from pain or fever is a normal sign that your body is building protection. Contact your doctor or healthcare provider:
  • If the redness or tenderness where you got the shot gets worse after 24 hours
  • If your side effects are worrying you or do not seem to be going away after a few days"


A headache that lingers on for a more than a week would concern me.
Oh PS: my whole family is made up of Doctors . My brother a ENT surgeon,( otorhinolaryngologists ) told her see an allergist .

We got an update from her doctor, she is allergic to Cypress bark mulch after her allergy test.. So I guess putting out 60 bags of cypress mulch wasn't enough, so now she has an excuse not to help the old man. So carry on.
 
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panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
We got an update from her doctor, she is allergic to Cypress bark mulch after her allergy test.. So I guess putting out 60 bags of cypress mulch wasn't enough, so now she has an excuse not to help the old man. So carry on.
Same problem. We have gravel now...
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
I think you've misunderstood what I was saying, or I was just being unclear. Giving more information to people who have no substantive science or technology knowledge or training is obviously not going to work. The education I was referring to is not just your physician talking to you, it's the basic concepts of science that some large fraction of the population in the US never really learned. Sometimes more information just feeds an uneducated person's fears.
While there are probably multiple reasons for the growing mistrust in expertise over the past few decades, I'm not sure that the lack of science education is a major factor driving the trend.

The rise in the belief in BS, in place of facts, seems to have coincided with rise in internet access. It allowed for faster and wider spread of nonsense. And, while the internet may have enabled the dissemination of factual information, it seems to be far more efficient at spreading manure.
(Dis)trust in Science - Scientific American Blog Network
 

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