JerryLove

JerryLove

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By "pandemic", I refer to the WHO designation.
By that definition, there are always several ongoing. HIV, for example, is an ongoing pandemic.

I don't think you looked up what the WHO has identified as a pandemic before making that statement.

My point goes to the inconsistency of response to our last 2 pandemics. You say both were more deadly, and the numbers do indeed bare that out. Yet I don't remember NEARLY the response, from the media or government, to those situations. Why?
Your memory and mine on media response don't align. But again: are you asking about Zika? Ebola? MERS? MERSA? What?

Each disease is different, and there are different answers for each.

If the virus can exist in water droplets that travel through the air, is it is or is it ain't airborne? My point here was that the "experts" within this very forum differ on whether they think it's airborne or not. So what to believe?
There's no data I've seen that the the virus meets the proper definition of airborne.

I suspect, however, that you are defining the word differently and that's causing your confusion.

You seem to agree with Trump's "social welfare" actions, but try to hide your approval by pointing out how they conflict with your notions about what he believes. I'll just remind you there is a difference between help in a time of trouble, and perpetual handouts.
OK. Which is it when someone gets cancer, say, last month, when Trump opposed all of these things as "communism"?

It's really weird to me that those on the right think that when one person suddenly gets a disease "too bad", but when an epidemic hits "we have to help these individuals". If Katrina had hit 100 houses; those owners would not have gotten nearly the financial relief because "not enough people were involved".

Do you understand the timeline of actions taken by Trump and criticisms to those actions from the Left? We on the Right are used to it. Trump limited travel from China, and the Left chastised him for overreacting, (January). He asked for money and the Left chastised him for not asking enough. Trump has taken substantive and aggressive actions for this virus, starting back in January before this virus even had a name. Have you seen the list? I doubt you'll see it on CNN.
Oh. You want to discuss Trump? OK.

Trump didn't know that the flu killed people.
Trump said sick people should keep going to work.
Trump has, every year, attempted to cut funding for the NIH and CDC
Trump has said he should be a doctor because he knows so much about illness.

"Fake sources of information"? To what in your quotes do you refer?
I refer to Donald Trump. Those are Donald Trump quotes (and they are wrong and/or politicizing, which is what I was responding to you said). Those are things he literally said.

"“Cryin’ Chuck Schumer is complaining, for publicity purposes only, that I should be asking for more money than $2.5 Billion to prepare for Coronavirus. If I asked for more he would say it is too much. He didn’t like my early travel closings. I was right. He is incompetent!” " - Trump.

"“We should all be working together,” he said. He added: “All they’re trying to do is get a political advantage. This isn’t about political advantage. We’re all trying to do the right thing. They shouldn’t be saying: ‘This is terrible. President Trump isn’t asking for enough money.’ How stupid a thing to say. " - Trump.

Of course: he reversed his "they are giving me too much" position with "they aren't giving me as much as I'm doing" later... "“The Do Nothing Democrats were busy wasting time on the Immigration Hoax, & anything else they could do to make the Republican Party look bad, while I was busy calling early BORDER & FLIGHT closings, putting us way ahead in our battle with Coronavirus. Dems called it VERY wrong!” "- Trump

"“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down [infection rates declining], not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up. But, yeah, I think schools should be preparing and, you know, get ready just in case.” He added: “We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.” " - Trump

"“Congratulations and thank you to our great Vice President & all of the many professionals doing such a fine job at CDC & all other agencies on the Coronavirus situation. Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!” " - Trump

"“From 27,000 to 70,000 people get infected, and many people die. Think of it, 27,000. You lose 27,000 people to the common flu.” " - Trump (technically accurate; but he's downplaying the much more deadly coronavirus.

Speaking of (false claims to) politicise: "“The Obama administration made a decision on testing and that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago.” "

"If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better." - Trump

"They [The WHO] don't know about the easy cases because the easy cases don't go to the hospital. They don't report to doctors or the hospital in many cases. So I think that number is really high. Personally, I would say that number [of people who die once infected with coronavirus] is way under 1%," - Trump
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Oh. Did you see when Trump met with insurance CEOs and got them to agree to suspend your co-pay if you go to the Dr for Corona virus?
My understanding was that the suspension of co-pays was just for testing, not for treatment.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
We will see which the Left hates more... Trump or the virus.
I really shouldn't be feeding the trolls here, but I absolutely hate Trump more than any virus. A virus is just a strand of DNA surrounded in a protein structure. It's a naturally-occurring phenomena and hating it would be as absurd as hating a volcano or hurricane. A virus doesn't have intentions. It isn't bigoted or or self-serving or mendacious or willfully ignorant. It doesn't have an enemies list or hurt groups of people for political gain. It doesn't demand to have its name emblazoned in large gold letters on all of its properties. It doesn't embezzle money from its business partners or charities for children's cancer. It doesn't betray family members by having affairs with porn stars. It doesn't violate every contractual agreement or oath of office that it has ever made the moment that it stands to gain from dishonorable behavior. It's incompetence is not what is putting my family at terrible risk presently. The one thing that Trump sometimes has in common with a virus is that he is indifferent to the harm that he causes others- at least those times when he is not reveling in it.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
How many watched Trump last night?
He looked and sounded like he's already contracted COVID-19.

Given his recent company, he probably does have it. Pence was rubbing elbows with the same infected Brazilians too, so they both probably have it.
 
Matthew J Poes

Matthew J Poes

Audioholic Chief
Staff member
By that definition, there are always several ongoing. HIV, for example, is an ongoing pandemic.

I don't think you looked up what the WHO has identified as a pandemic before making that statement.


Your memory and mine on media response don't align. But again: are you asking about Zika? Ebola? MERS? MERSA? What?

Each disease is different, and there are different answers for each.


There's no data I've seen that the the virus meets the proper definition of airborne.

I suspect, however, that you are defining the word differently and that's causing your confusion.



OK. Which is it when someone gets cancer, say, last month, when Trump opposed all of these things as "communism"?

It's really weird to me that those on the right think that when one person suddenly gets a disease "too bad", but when an epidemic hits "we have to help these individuals". If Katrina had hit 100 houses; those owners would not have gotten nearly the financial relief because "not enough people were involved".


Oh. You want to discuss Trump? OK.

Trump didn't know that the flu killed people.
Trump said sick people should keep going to work.
Trump has, every year, attempted to cut funding for the NIH and CDC
Trump has said he should be a doctor because he knows so much about illness.


I refer to Donald Trump. Those are Donald Trump quotes (and they are wrong and/or politicizing, which is what I was responding to you said). Those are things he literally said.

"“Cryin’ Chuck Schumer is complaining, for publicity purposes only, that I should be asking for more money than $2.5 Billion to prepare for Coronavirus. If I asked for more he would say it is too much. He didn’t like my early travel closings. I was right. He is incompetent!” " - Trump.

"“We should all be working together,” he said. He added: “All they’re trying to do is get a political advantage. This isn’t about political advantage. We’re all trying to do the right thing. They shouldn’t be saying: ‘This is terrible. President Trump isn’t asking for enough money.’ How stupid a thing to say. " - Trump.

Of course: he reversed his "they are giving me too much" position with "they aren't giving me as much as I'm doing" later... "“The Do Nothing Democrats were busy wasting time on the Immigration Hoax, & anything else they could do to make the Republican Party look bad, while I was busy calling early BORDER & FLIGHT closings, putting us way ahead in our battle with Coronavirus. Dems called it VERY wrong!” "- Trump

"“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down [infection rates declining], not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up. But, yeah, I think schools should be preparing and, you know, get ready just in case.” He added: “We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.” " - Trump

"“Congratulations and thank you to our great Vice President & all of the many professionals doing such a fine job at CDC & all other agencies on the Coronavirus situation. Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!” " - Trump

"“From 27,000 to 70,000 people get infected, and many people die. Think of it, 27,000. You lose 27,000 people to the common flu.” " - Trump (technically accurate; but he's downplaying the much more deadly coronavirus.

Speaking of (false claims to) politicise: "“The Obama administration made a decision on testing and that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago.” "

"If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better." - Trump

"They [The WHO] don't know about the easy cases because the easy cases don't go to the hospital. They don't report to doctors or the hospital in many cases. So I think that number is really high. Personally, I would say that number [of people who die once infected with coronavirus] is way under 1%," - Trump
The problem is that some of what Trump said is true but very misguided.

for example, it’s true that an FDA regulation required all medical tests to gain their approval. But that approval was a safeguard to ensure medical tests don’t end up on the market which don’t work. The FDA has that responsibility because they are the agency with that expertise. It is why the FDA sent a testing expert to the CDC. The CDC doesn’t have as much expertise in developing medical tests for production and wide use. The regulation made perfect sense. It also makes sense to suspend or bypass regulations in emergency situations. In this case, it may have caused the rushed and contaminated test kits.

it is also true that the final mortality rate for this virus might be 1%. The last pandemic virus that spread anywhere close to as easily as this one did had a mortality rate id .01%. 1% is really high. It’s also no his idea. That’s the number a lot of experts have guessed is more accurate. Direct calculations in China put it at 13% and overall at more like 3.5%.

but far more critical is to understand that most virus mortality rates are biased. We don’t screen everyone for every virus. We only screen people who show serious symptoms. So when they say the mortality rate is 3% and it’s based in real data, certainly once we get enough data to estimate the true number of people who are sick, that value will go down. But we can still see that it’s more deadly than past viruses. So trying to assure people by dismissing it as only 1% misses the point. If 80% of the US population got sick that would be 265 million people or so. If 1% died, that would be 2.7 million deaths in the United States alone. We couldn’t handle either of those numbers (remember that is on top of existing mortality and sickness in the country).
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
So if no TP or Kleenex, reuse a washcloth? Asking for a friend....
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
So if no TP or Kleenex, reuse a washcloth? Asking for a friend....
Sure, wash it with hot water and soap.

Not sure why people stock up on water though, not like the well or city supply will dry up. Gas and electric energy will not shut down, not yet.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Sure, wash it with hot water and soap.

Not sure why people stock up on water though, not like the well or city supply will dry up. Gas and electric energy will not shut down, not yet.
Or the run on toilet paper?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
...


SARS-COV-2 travels in water droplets and can persist for days. Those droplets can travel through the air. To the best of what I've seen, it's not "air-borne" in a literal sense; but the Chinese have documentation of infection at a distance of 4 meters.
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Interesting. That brings a question to mind. Is that outdoors where air currents/wind would spear and or dissipate or indoors where air still moves every step one makes but not like a wind driven air-mass. Just a curiosity if it even matters.
 
Matthew J Poes

Matthew J Poes

Audioholic Chief
Staff member
Yeah i was corrected on a call earlier today that they are considering this airborne. It’s still a little unclear to me if it’s airborne like measles or only aerosolized but sounds like my earlier comment was incorrect. The experts are calling it airborne.
I guess it’s really the same thing.
I’ve now heard that repeated by numerous medical experts from Stanford, UCLA, and Harvard.

they did say the number of days it stays alive is best described as informed speculation. The estimates range between 3 hours even on a surface up to 9 days.What one professor told me is that there is zero evidence that it’s contagious and that is the big unknown. We need more research on how long it remains infectious. Still, he suggested we assume anything we touch is contaminated.
 
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Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I don't care about the pocketbooks of rich people, but look at it this way: if there is a film maker whose work that you enjoy whose movie is doomed to a poor financial return because of this pandemic, that limits their future opportunities for making more movies, regardless of the cause of prior financial failure. This disease sucks for both film makers and film goers.
Aaannd there's talk of UFC 249 being cancelled due to this. Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Tony Ferguson. This is the 5th time that fight has been scheduled and fell through for one reason or another...
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
So I've been really badly sick for the last 7-8 days, caughing, tight chest, diarrhea, chills, etc. I was getting better Saturday, went to the gym, and next day crashed again. I got a call Monday from a gentlemen who visited me with his business partner to discuss potential sponsorship of the new Audioholics Smart Home Project. He informed me the gentlemen and his wife were admitted to the ICU and tested positive for coronavirus. I went to the local hospital yesterday where they tested and poked me for 5 hours. I had no flu, no strep, no pneumonia but they just called me tonight to inform me I am positive with Coronavirus and have to be quarantined for 14 days or longer until I am cleared. This is really a miserable experience and I caution anyone to NOT shake hands or allow visits who have traveled outside the USA until this thing is under control. If I knew this guy was in China the week prior to his visit on Feb 28th, I would have never let him in my home.
Saden to hear this Gene...be well, and thanks for sharing this.
 
killbill13

killbill13

Full Audioholic
hi from Greece.
117 identified cases. 1 death.
ALL schools, gyms, theaters, enterntainment shops are closed for 15 days.
 
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