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Mr._Clark

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Interesting...
I have not seen much evidence that the virus is transmitted by surface contact, but I still use hand sanitizer any time I've been in a store and touched anything.

This is ancedotal (which is of course weak evidence as Swerd will attest) but of the cases I'm aware of ( a relatively small number), transmission apparently occurred when a person was in a closed area (in a building or vehicle) with an infected person who was not yet showing symptoms. It appears to me that even people who normally wear masks in public will not wear masks in a small group setting with friends and family. It seems to spread very easily in closed spaces among people who are not wearing masks.
 
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I just want to point out the hypocrisy with this whole not wearing a mask thing. I see a lot of trumpers whining that masks are a violation of their civil rights. That mandating people wear them in public is a violation of the law. The same people complaining that gun control is violating their civil rights as gun owners. Here's the thing, when a trumper holds a sign in protest of wearing a mask that says, my body my rights ( I have seen this so it's a fact) or decides to share data collected from back in January stating that wearing a mask does not prevent one from infection they are simply showing hostile rebellion to keep with the party line and feel they are giving the middle finger to democrats. I see this daily on the governors safety tweets in my state. People are hostile, act like we are under a nazi regime, etc... all because they are asked to wear a mask "TO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE". Trumpers see wearing a mask as caving in to democrats when in fact, it's scientists and doctors AND OTHER REPUBLICANS asking everyone to wear masks. Sorry most scientist and doctors are democrats, you are damn lucky. It's this whole trumper cult mentality and GED armchair experts that is the cause of America having massive rises in the spread of the virus while literally every single country in the world not infected with Trumpism has either completely tackled the virus already or are on a sharp decline.

Simply wearing masks will not prevent one from becoming infected, we already know this. In reality, it's meant to reduce the amount of vile you spew from your toxic mouths into the air and onto surfaces that could potentially infect someone else. You see trumper, you are asked to wear a mask to "slow" the spread by not getting your raving spittle on other people. It's a humanitarian thing. In fact, in can be considered a "pro-life" thing since many people of all ages and ethnicity have proven to die from it in massive numbers. It is NOT the flu regardless of what Fox News has told you. So as conservatives quit often sit on their pedestals preaching about being "pro-life" they are in fact pro-death. To protect the living children that are already born and breathing that are attending classes from being massacred with weapons designed for mass murder, that is pro-life. To protect immune compromised lung transplant or cancer survivors from potentially being infected with a deadly virus, that is pro-life. Not forcing schools and business to re-open in red zones where the pandemic is as it's worse all for the sake of poll numbers and money, that is pro-life. To allow women and couples the right to privacy of what they do with their own bodies and to not invade their wombs which is in direct violation of the whole "my body my rights" facade, that is pro-life. I get that conservatives have one single platform that they fight for, Abortion. Yes it's a horrible thing, no one likes the idea of it and it certainly can be a gruesome thought. Using disinformation, misguided ideals and exaggerating the time frame in which people have it done is the platform, much like any other conservative platform. However, it's still the mothers choice and no one else's so people need to mind their own business since real, living people walking the earth need that attention more. Conservatives spend way too much time worried about what other people are doing and things that are not even born yet than what they can do to contribute and help those living souls that it everyone's help for real. It's less productive to fight about abortion than it is to simply wear a damn mask and shut the hell up. Seriously, if people are going to protest and picket over wearing a mask... we have greater issues in American society that need addressed like education reform. But they will protest that too.
WRT your comment "America having massive rises in the spread of the virus while literally every single country in the world not infected with Trumpism has either completely tackled the virus already or are on a sharp decline."- is this the reason for Japan passing 1000 new cases per day and worldwide, they're rising faster than ever?


People who know their health problems make them more vulnerable should stay at home, same with those who are obviously infected. Going into a community where a virus is present or going out while infected are similar to intentionally ingesting or giving poison.

You mentioned "getting your raving spittle on other people."- in Milwaukee, a woman spit on a protester. She's a Democrat and a lawyer. Of curse, she pleaded Not Guilty in court. It's on a news video. If she's found not guilty, I think bad things will happen to her. Oops- she's not a Trump supporter. Sorry.
 
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After seeing a doctor talking about COVID-19, I looked for info about particle size and the size of the holes in masks. It would seem that if the holes were small enough to stop the virus entering, we couldn't breathe easily with a mask in place. It has been said that their effectiveness is in blocking the virus when a mask wearer coughs or sneezes. I fail to see how a cloud of virus doesn't come through when it has been forcefully propelled but not during normal breathing.

If anyone has data on this, please add it.
 
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After seeing a doctor talking about COVID-19, I looked for info about particle size and the size of the holes in masks. It would seem that if the holes were small enough to stop the virus entering, we couldn't breathe easily with a mask in place. It has been said that their effectiveness is in blocking the virus when a mask wearer coughs or sneezes. I fail to see how a cloud of virus doesn't come through when it has been forcefully propelled but not during normal breathing.

If anyone has data on this, please add it.
If you're talking about n95 or other rated filters, here's an article:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/

To summarize: n95 filters are least efficient at their rated size of 0.3 microns., they get more efficient at filtering the further away you get from that specific size.

In regards to other types of masks, anything that significantly impedes airflow enough that particles aren't being propelled 6+ ft from a sneeze or cough will help to curtail things. Those few layers of cloth are going to help diffuse some of that energy from the expulsion of air and slow it down quite a bit. Think how much even a light jacket, like a windbreaker, or a long sleeve shirt helps in windy weather.
 
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I have not seen much evidence that the virus is transmitted by surface contact, but I still use hand sanitizer any time I've been in a store and touched anything.

This is ancedotal (which is of course weak evidence as Swerd will attest) but of the cases I'm aware of ( a relatively small number), transmission apparently occurred when a person was in a closed area (in a building or vehicle) with an infected person who was not yet showing symptoms. It appears to me that even people who normally wear masks in public will not wear masks in a small group setting with friends and family. It seems to spread very easily in closed spaces among people who are not wearing masks.
I understand that transmission through the air is the far greater risk. But, like you, I use hand sanitizer after visiting a store or putting gas in our vehicles. It requires little effort and incurs relatively little expense, so it's a cost-effective measure to take. It's the OCD cleaning of spaces that is probably not cost-effective.

Nova Scotia has not had a single new case in two weeks. However, with a small bump in cases in other provinces that had opened up earlier/wider than us, the provincial government is getting a bit skittish about our opening up. Starting tomorrow, all publicly accessible indoor spaces require 100% masking up. Up to this point, it had been "advisable". Although my family has been wearing masks in such places right from the get-go, from my observation, widespread compliance here has been iffy. I see few store staff wearing them - I assume they figure they are at much higher risk from all the customers than the reverse. I'm guessing that amongst other customers, mask-wearing/non-wearing is around 50/50. That said, I don't go inside stores very often - I'd say less than 10 times since the March lockdown. So, my count may not be very accurate. It's funny - if somewhat predictable - that when I've seen couples together in stores, the wife usually wears a mask, while the husband doesn't.:rolleyes:

I'm looking forward to seeing the hissy fits from people forced to wear a mask when they go to stores...
 
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If you're talking about n95 or other rated filters, here's an article:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/

To summarize: n95 filters are least efficient at their rated size of 0.3 microns., they get more efficient at filtering the further away you get from that specific size.

In regards to other types of masks, anything that significantly impedes airflow enough that particles aren't being propelled 6+ ft from a sneeze or cough will help to curtail things. Those few layers of cloth are going to help diffuse some of that energy from the expulsion of air and slow it down quite a bit. Think how much even a light jacket, like a windbreaker, or a long sleeve shirt helps in windy weather.
Exactly - it's not about absolute prevention of spread, it's about reducing the possibility of spread.
 
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If you're talking about n95 or other rated filters, here's an article:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/

To summarize: n95 filters are least efficient at their rated size of 0.3 microns., they get more efficient at filtering the further away you get from that specific size.

In regards to other types of masks, anything that significantly impedes airflow enough that particles aren't being propelled 6+ ft from a sneeze or cough will help to curtail things. Those few layers of cloth are going to help diffuse some of that energy from the expulsion of air and slow it down quite a bit. Think how much even a light jacket, like a windbreaker, or a long sleeve shirt helps in windy weather.
I saw an article that referred to an informal test with bandana, double layer of cloth and double layer- the bandana was almost useless.
 
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Danzilla31

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I saw an article that referred to an informal test with bandana, double layer of cloth and double layer- the bandana was almost useless.
When the WHO and CDC changed there stance and stated masks were effective at reducing the spread they did so with a large backlash of people from they're reversing there position I doubght they'd have subjected themselves to that if they had not found evidence that strongly indicated that they needed to do so

Also they still think the strongest risk of spread is through respiratory droplets although I believe several hundred doctors signed a petition to the CDC and WHO asking them to acknowledge there is some spread through just airborne travel period

But from what I understand of that the risk just like surface transmission is much smaller respiratory droplets and being in close contact is still the primary concern

A bandanna is not a proper mask so those types of studies are not surprising there
 
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Ever since we were mandated to wear masks here in Texas our rate of hospitilazations here in San Antonio has started to decline every day

Other factors may be in play and were not out of the woods yet but I do strongly suspect everyone masking up and doing better at distancing is an important factor in that decline
 
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WRT your comment "America having massive rises in the spread of the virus while literally every single country in the world not infected with Trumpism has either completely tackled the virus already or are on a sharp decline."- is this the reason for Japan passing 1000 new cases per day and worldwide, they're rising faster than ever?


People who know their health problems make them more vulnerable should stay at home, same with those who are obviously infected. Going into a community where a virus is present or going out while infected are similar to intentionally ingesting or giving poison.

You mentioned "getting your raving spittle on other people."- in Milwaukee, a woman spit on a protester. She's a Democrat and a lawyer. Of curse, she pleaded Not Guilty in court. It's on a news video. If she's found not guilty, I think bad things will happen to her. Oops- she's not a Trump supporter. Sorry.
To adress your point of other countries seeing an increase in cases I think it's almost unavoidable as they release restrictions that the virus will rise it's shown it will do it again and again and not just in the U.S.

Which is why observing rates of infections and how the medical system is holding up so they are not overrun is critical as many scientists have talked about

I think like @TLS Guy has told us throughout this thread the only way to really get this new virus under control will be a vaccine
 
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Mr._Clark

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Exactly - it's not about absolute prevention of spread, it's about reducing the possibility of spread.
If a mask is 50% effective at filtering particles being exhaled and 50% effective filtering inhaled particles, the total effect is a 75% reduction in transmission. Roughly speaking, if R0 without any measures is 4, consistent use of masks would cut R0 to 1 (if the 75% reduction number is correct), the break even point at which the number of cases stays even.

I realize it's not that simple (e.g. I highly doubt masks are equally effective against exhaling and inhaling), but it seems to me that masks can be more effective at slowing the spread than it might appear at first glance.

I realize studies concerning the effectiveness of face masks are hotly debated, but I suspect R0 could be brought below 1 without a full lockdown if everyone were to wear masks and practiced social distancing:

>>>In all scenarios the study looked at, routine face mask use by 50% or more of the population reduced COVID-19 spread to an R of less than 1.0, flattening future disease waves and allowing for less stringent lockdowns.<<<

 
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Does that man's death make you happy? I hope not, but I cannot think of a reason why you would post something like that other than getting some sort of satisfaction from it...
No it doesn't make me happy. But I can tell you I feel exactly zero empathy for those who push the anti-mask rhetoric and then catch this themselves. People with his mindset are exactly why the US is where it is with this disease.
 
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No it doesn't make me happy. But I can tell you I feel exactly zero empathy for those who push the anti-mask rhetoric and then catch this themselves. People with his mindset are exactly why the US is where it is with this disease.
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It would be nice if the rest of us could have mandatory COVID-19 screening tests in place so we could make sure we never come into contact with anyone who is infected:

>>>White House spokesman Judd Deere told The Hill that Lamb never interacted with the president before testing positive and that he was immediately escorted off the complex after a second test confirmed he had contracted the virus.

"The protocols and procedures put in place by the White House Medical Unit and White House Operations worked," Deere said.<<<

 

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