Bryston Model T Floorstanding Speakers

[3db]

Well at least yall have Bryston speaker dealers Bryston Limited: Dealers Canada

Well I hope so because Bryston is Canadian and is not an internet company. The Krell example I pointed out (ignore SVS) is typical of what we have available to us. The higher the cost of the product, the lower its distribution because of Canada's small population. The US with its much large population is far more immune to this.

 

[exlabdriver]

Not only is the marketplace here about 10% of the US, products that are built outside of the US (Asia excepted) such as Canada or Europe are subject to more tariffs and various VA Taxes than US manufacturers. The internal tax structures that are imposed to pay for massive social programs such as universal health care (coming to the US) are more punitive and therefore result in more expensive products to the consumer no matter where they reside. Shipping and customs issues also can be a huge factor.

I have 3 current sets of Axioms around my house and in fact am receiving a second EP400 today for my tube amp audio system. I've been at this pastime for a long, long time and I certainly consider them to be most 'worthy of good sound' at their price point.

Each to his own and I would never question, second guess nor mock anyone's choice of the gear that they choose and enjoy. For me, it's just the decent thing to do...

TAM

 

[gtpsuper24]

Not only is the marketplace here about 10% of the US, products that are built outside of the US (Asia excepted) such as Canada or Europe are subject to more tariffs & various VA Taxes than US manufacturers. The internal tax structures that are imposed to pay for massive social programs such as universal health care (coming to the US) are more punitive and therefore result in more expensive products to the consumer no matter where they reside. Shipping and customs issues also can be a huge factor.

I have 3 current sets of Axioms around my house and in fact am receiving a second EP400 today for my tube amp audio system. I've been at this pastime for a long, long time and I certainly consider them to be most 'worthy of good sound' at their price point.

Each to his own and I would never question, second guess nor mock anyone's choice of the gear that they choose and enjoy. For me, it's just the decent thing to do...

TAM

I've said it multiple times, if you reside in the US, Axiom just doesn't have the same value "bang for the buck" compared to the current competition. Outside of the US, like Canada, Axiom is much more inline with the competition but only because of the extra fees.

I mean when I can get small sealed subwoofers that compete with the EP400 and in some cases like the SVS SB12NSD outperforms it and comes with a higher quality finish for about half the price, thats not bang for the buck. I know for years Axiom and the Axiom owners took pride in the fact that they said their speakers perform just as good as more expensive speakers at a much better value. I believe now its kind of turned, I can get better value for less than the Axioms.

In regards to what I said about a Bryston dealer feeling about Axiom. When a boutique dealer sells $10,000-15,000 monoblock amps, $10,000 Preamps and $4000 cd players, $3000 surge protectors, do you really think they would feel a $1500 tower speaker is going to sound good or be even worthwhile to listen too? They are just going to shrug it off a junk, whether it is or not. And that goes for more than just Axiom, my Arx speakers, Aperion, SVS, IDs in general as no good or worthless.

 

[3db]

And that goes for more than just Axiom, my Arx speakers, Aperion, SVS, IDs in general as no good or worthless.

Since your tossing the sh?t out, do you mind tossing it my way?

 

[gtpsuper24]

Since your tossing the sh?t out, do you mind tossing it my way?

LOL believe it or not theres a few on AVS that feel IDs in general no matter how good they are and measure great are worthless compared to their "boutique" offerings. If anything I am anti-boutique brands and 100% loyal ID.

But I pretty much did toss my Axioms out.

 

[gene]

I just don't know. That sure sounds like an awful lot of emotional attachment and investment to me.

Posting it in at least 3 different forums? Why, a person might even view it as advertisement or something.

This all seems very suspicious to me as well. We've caught dealers and even manufacturer posting on our forums as "general users" in the past so it wouldn't surprise me if this happens to be the case again. I'm hoping this is not the case here but something seems off to me.

 

[exlabdriver]

We're getting off topic again; however, yes the SVS is a worthy performer at a good price (shipping is extra up here) if you want it in black - I didn't want black as it doesn't match my decor. If my twin 10" Velos blew up tomorrow, I'd probably get a pair pf PB or SB 1000s for my medium sized HT, as they represent good value in the colour (black) that would work.

For audio only, the EP400, (especially 2 of them) are so articulate that they are simply stunning for music in my setting, all encompassed in a small package. Performance difference with the SVS would not be evident at all in the way that I use them but the EP400 better fits my needs. Furthermore, they are built from scratch in my own country - a rarity these days - in the colour and appearance that matches my system. I was happy to pay the price that I did, especially with the recent 20% Off Sale. I certainly don't feel 'ripped off' or I wouldn't have bought a second one.

Like beauty and tastes in sound, value is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Nobody else, other than the customer, can determine that...

TAM

 

[gtpsuper24]

I believe he is Zissou on AVS and posted a very long review of how the Model T destroys everything out there. But it really read like a dealer pushing a product, more so than just a happy owner. So when several began to question if he was a dealer, he had the entire thread deleted.

 

[Stedanko]

This all seems very suspicious to me as well. We've caught dealers and even manufacturer posting on our forums as "general users" in the past so it wouldn't surprise me if this happens to be the case again. I'm hoping this is not the case here but something seems off to me.

Well as you were wrong about my room once again you are wrong. LOL truly Audioholics does not have nearly enough pull or influence to sway anything. Came across the thread while googling. A person with class would have PMed that accusation.

 

[Stedanko]

I believe he is Zissou on AVS and posted a very long review of how the Model T destroys everything out there. But it really read like a dealer pushing a product, more so than just a happy owner. So when several began to question if he was a dealer, he had the entire thread deleted.

Again you are wrong. Had nothing to do with being accused of being a dealer I have over 1500 posts there and it's quite well known I am not a dealer nor am I in the industry. I just happened to remember why I stopped posting there in the first place so had it pulled.
My you folks are all quite paranoid here aren't you? LOL.

 

[exlabdriver]

Well, if there are still such suspicions, somebody PM him & pose some pointed questions. After all, I was certainly subjected to some PMs here in the past couple of days.

Zissou was PMed after his thread disappeared when there was seemingly no reaction (that I saw anyway) to his single post at AVS. He stated that since there was no response after more than a day, he pulled it. Weird, I agree...

TAM

 

[gene]

Again you are wrong. Had nothing to do with being accused of being a dealer I have over 1500 posts there and it's quite well known I am not a dealer nor am I in the industry. I just happened to remember why I stopped posting there in the first place so had it pulled.
My you folks are all quite paranoid here aren't you? LOL.

I've run this forum and site for over 14 years so I speak from experience. You smell like a troll. The very fact your posting your virtually identical "Bryston experience" on multiple forums under different monikers is very suspicious activity. You're account is now banned.

 

[gene]

Well, if there are still such suspicions, somebody PM him & pose some pointed questions. After all, I was certainly subjected to some PMs here in the past couple of days.

Zissou was PMed after his thread disappeared when there was seemingly no reaction (that I saw anyway) to his single post at AVS. He stated that since there was no response after more than a day, he pulled it. Weird, I agree...

TAM

TAM you are a thoughtful person and deserve such courtesy. I hope you can contribute more to this forum than just the limited scope of Axiom/Bryston posts.

 

[gene]

LOL truly Audioholics does not have nearly enough pull or influence to sway anything. Came across the thread while googling

Evidently Google disagrees with your assessment else you would never be here in the first place

 

[exlabdriver]

My, it's hard to keep up here as I always seem to be behind the 8-ball, ha!

I believe that my last post is still valid for the most part though...

TAM

 

[exlabdriver]

Arrrggghhh, I can't type fast enough!!!

TAM

 

[brianedm]

I've run this forum and site for over 14 years so I speak from experience. You smell like a troll. The very fact your posting your virtually identical "Bryston experience" on multiple forums under different monikers is very suspicious activity. You're account is now banned.

That guy just kept on saying the same thing over and over again with slightly different wording. Good on you!

 

[gtpsuper24]

Zissou was PMed after his thread disappeared when there was seemingly no reaction (that I saw anyway) to his single post at AVS. He stated that since there was no response after more than a day, he pulled it. Weird, I agree..

I made the first post to his thread after a day and thanked him for the review and asked what other brands he had listened to. I stated that there is some tough competition in the Model T price point, give or take a grand. PSB Sychony, Paradigm Studio/Sigs, Martin Logans, Monitor Audio, Revel, RBH, ect... He then preceeded to say how NONE of those speakers are even close to the Model T's performance.

After a couple more posts several AVS regulars accused him or questioned him as being a shill of Bryston or a Bryston dealer. His posts smell of marketing talk and trying to sell the speaker more so than just a happy owner. Things like, changing the industry forever and other buzz words that marketeers/salesman use.

Only after being questioned and not wanting to give answers did he decide to delete the thread. Similar accusations on the other boards he posted the exact worded review under a different name.

 

[exlabdriver]

Thanks Gene.

I have contributed in other subjects here where I have experience or knowledge ie, if I remember correctly, helping posters that were having sub hum just like I did; however, I cannot and will not give my opinions nor assumptions on gear that only exists in pictures, that I've never heard, seen in person nor have any interest in purchasing.

It is just not right nor fair IMHO and I will not denigrate anyone's products unless I know that they pose a safety hazard or are so far from what was promised that it is indeed a rip-off. Although I've been around this pastime for a long time, I'm far from being an all singing, all dancing audio expert. Therefore, I'll contribute here - if allowed, ha! - and elsewhere only if I can offer real assistance. I believe that my opinions outside of my narrow sphere of expertise and experience are mostly irrelevant.

Enough pontificating on my part, but perhaps it would be nice if some others demonstrated a little more restraint in this regard. Just one old phart's ramblings FWIW...

TAM

 

[3db]

I made the first post to his thread after a day and thanked him for the review and asked what other brands he had listened to. I stated that there is some tough competition in the Model T price point, give or take a grand. PSB Sychony, Paradigm Studio/Sigs, Martin Logans, Monitor Audio, Revel, RBH, ect... He then preceeded to say how NONE of those speakers are even close to the Model T's price point.

After a couple more posts several AVS regulars accused him or questioned him as being a shill of Bryston or a Bryston dealer. His posts smell of marketing talk and trying to sell the speaker more so than just a happy owner. Things like, changing the industry forever and other buzz words that marketeers/salesman use.

Only after being questioned and not wanting to give answers did he decide to delete the thread. Similar accusations on the other boards he posted the exact worded review under a different name.

Wow!! What a way to undermind the group (not you, him) and a serious discussion. That kind of help I don't want or need.