Bryston Class D Amplifiers

[Out-Of-Phase]

This was back before they were sold. They were still a local Canadian company from Quebec.

 

[flyboylr45]

If you get your order in before the 31st, you still get your 20 year warranty. Was kind of bummed too about it.

 

[NMG]

Well this sucks. I was also considering Bryston as a retirement gift for myself in a few years and the 20 year warranty was a selling point for sure. Can’t see myself paying the premium now if the warranty is basically in line with competing products.

I assume they’ve done the math but it really seems hard to believe that the additional warranty claims are costing them more than the profits they’ll forgo from people choosing not to buy them because of the warranty changes. Seems pretty short sighted for a brand selling a boutique product at a time when money is already tight for allot of people. The warranty was a huge differentiating factor that they’ve now seemingly cast aside and invited allot more competition for cross shopping. Bizarre strategy for sure.

 

[Cos]

Now or never to buy my Bryston Class D lol If not for my upcoming purchase, I probably would consider it.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It could be worse. When I bought my Classe' amps back in 1998, they came with a lifetime warranty. Then I received a notification from the manufacturer that the lifetime warranty had been reduced to only 5 years. Gee, thanks! /sarc

I know the company was sold. Can the new owner legally do that? I would like to see someone sue them should one of their amps become defective.

Yeah, I’m not a lawyer, but that seems like violating the original warranty contract. So it would be interesting to see someone sue them.

Unless there was a clause/addendum in the original contract stating the Lifetime warranty would be nullified if they sold the company.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I was also considering Bryston as a retirement gift for myself in a few years and the 20 year warranty was a selling point for sure.

To me the 20YR warranty was the salient factor that puts Bryston above all others as “Legendary”. Without the 20YR warranty, I just don’t think Bryston will ever be the same.

Even as a dealer (which gets me discounts on Bryston), I would have never even bought my two Bryston 9B-cubed-5Ch amps if Bryston only had a 10YR warranty, which isn’t many more than ATI’s 7YR warranty. The 20YR warranty was what made Bryston legendary to me and it was the salient buying factor to me.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If they don't reduce the price of their amps, the a amount of sales will definitely go down. That's all they deserve.

Many amps including some new Class D amps that cost a lot less and perform just as well will replace them.

Yeah. I can’t blame anyone for feeling the same. I am very disappointed.

 

[NMG]

To me the 20YR warranty was the salient factor that puts Bryston above all others as “Legendary”. Without the 20YR warranty, I just don’t think Bryston will ever be the same.

Even as a dealer (which gets me discounts on Bryston), I would have never even bought my two Bryston 9B-cubed-5Ch amps if Bryston only had a 10YR warranty, which isn’t many more than ATI’s 7YR warranty. The 20YR warranty was what made Bryston legendary to me and it was the salient buying factor to me.

Agreed. The other thing for me was supporting a Canadian brand, but there comes a point where the price differential is just too great unless you’re getting something significant in return.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

More bad news from Bryston. Now the class D Bryston amps only have a 5YR warranty. Initially when I spoke to James Tanner, the Bryston Class D had a 20YR warranty. Now the class D has a 5YR warranty and the class AB has a 10YR.

ATI has a 7YR warranty on their class D amps for comparison and keeping scores.

 

[ryanosaur]

So, Hypex and Purifi FTW after all!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If I were filthy rich and starting an amp company, I would contract ATI to build my amps like Mark Levinson amps, except offer a real lifetime warranty (not a fake one like Classe ) to the original owner. The Amps would cost like Bryston and McIntosh amps, but it would be legendary for the lifetime warranty.

 

[Movie2099]

If I were filthy rich and starting an amp company, I would contract ATI to build my amps like Mark Levinson amps, except offer a real lifetime warranty (not a fake one like Classe ) to the original owner. The Amps would cost like Bryston and McIntosh amps, but it would be legendary for the lifetime warranty.

Or you could just buy some Trinnov Amps. Some of the best Class D on the market!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Or you could just buy some Trinnov Amps. Some of the best Class D on the market!

How are Trinnov Amps some of the best amps? And at what cost? Trinnov amps have a 5YR warranty like Bryston, which is not even as good as ATI's 7YR warranty.

Trinnov 200x8 amp is $16K w/ 5YR warranty, which is ridiculous for $16K. It's not any better than any other 200W amps.

 

[Movie2099]

How are Trinnov Amps some of the best amps? And at what cost? Trinnov amps have a 5YR warranty like Bryston, which is not even as good as ATI's 7YR warranty.

Trinnov 200x8 amp is $16K w/ 5YR warranty, which is ridiculous for $16K. It's not any better than any other 200W amps.

Here comes your Trinnov hate.....Hahaha!!

Trinnov Amplitude Amp uses the Hypex NCore NC1200 module. 8x225w at 8ohm, 8x375 at 4ohm and 8x500 at 2ohm.

Or you can go with the Amplitude 16 ICEpower Amp. All 16 channels will give you 200w at 8ohm. You can also Bridge them and go down to an 8 channel and give yourself 800w per channel at 8ohm. Unbridged at 4ohm is 400w, Bridged it's 1000w at 4ohm.

Both very nice amps. Those that have them or have tested them absolutely love them! I can imagine people that drop that kind of money on them, have had other more expensive amps in their theaters or 2ch setups before the Trinnov's. So, I trust those kinds of reviews/feedback.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Here comes your Trinnov hate.....Hahaha!!

Trinnov Amplitude Amp uses the Hypex NCore NC1200 module. 8x225w at 8ohm, 8x375 at 4ohm and 8x500 at 2ohm.

Or you can go with the Amplitude 16 ICEpower Amp. All 16 channels will give you 200w at 8ohm. You can also Bridge them and go down to an 8 channel and give yourself 800w per channel at 8ohm. Unbridged at 4ohm is 400w, Bridged it's 1000w at 4ohm.

Both very nice amps. Those that have them or have tested them absolutely love them! I can imagine people that drop that kind of money on them, have had other more expensive amps in their theaters or 2ch setups before the Trinnov's. So, I trust those kinds of reviews/feedback.

So they use the SAME amp modules that Ryan and others are talking about and charge like 10 times more?

What's not to like about that?

So other than a few people's very subjective opinions, are Trinnov AND OTHER COMPANIES offering anything different for the much higher price? Much better warranty? Better sound?

Some people don't even care about warranties. 1Yr warranty? They don't even care. But some people care a lot about the warranty, not only because of the warranty, but because of what they think the company stands for.

So Bryston originally gave a 20YR warranty even on their class-D. That was a very big deal for some people who care about the warranty and what they felt it stood for. But now it's not even a big deal since it's only 5YR.

Now ATI's 7YR warranty on their class-D is the class leader in terms of warranty - again, for some people who care about it.

 

[everettT]

So they use the SAME amp modules that Ryan and others are talking about and charge like 10 times more?

What's not to like about that?

So other than a few people's very subjective opinions, are Trinnov AND OTHER COMPANIES offering anything different for the much higher price? Much better warranty? Better sound?

Yeah they are pricey, just like ATI and their Hypex amps. They also have connectivity options for the use of active systems that allow for better channel routing. Their products are definitely not for the average consumer and their features "generally" are not intended for home installation by the consumer, It's a different level. Think of Gene and his Storm setup and start by doubling it and keep going depending on the setup.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah they are pricey, just like ATI and their Hypex amps. They also have connectivity options for the use of active systems that allow for better channel routing. Their products are definitely not for the average consumer and their features "generally" are not intended for home installation by the consumer, It's a different level. Think of Gene and his Storm setup and start by doubling it and keep going depending on the setup.

The only different connector I see on the Trinnov is the BD25.

If comparing the ATI 200x8 class-D to Trinnov 200x8 class-D, other than the BD25 connector on the Trinnov, the ATI retails $6K w/ 7YR warranty and the Trinnov retails $16,500 w/ 5YR warranty.

So other than the BD25 connector, what is the Trinnov, Storm, DataSat, etc., offering over other similar amps? Definitely not the warranty nor sound quality. Unless I guess they offer more pride of ownership for more than twice the cost of ATI? I can understand pride of ownership.

 

[Movie2099]

So they use the SAME amp modules that Ryan and others are talking about and charge like 10 times more?

What's not to like about that?

So other than a few people's very subjective opinions, are Trinnov AND OTHER COMPANIES offering anything different for the much higher price? Much better warranty? Better sound?

Some people don't even care about warranties. 1Yr warranty? They don't even care. But some people care a lot about the warranty, not only because of the warranty, but because of what they think the company stands for.

So Bryston originally gave a 20YR warranty even on their class-D. That was a very big deal for some people who care about the warranty and what they felt it stood for. But now it's not even a big deal since it's only 5YR.

Now ATI's 7YR warranty on their class-D is the class leader in terms of warranty - again, for some people who care about it.

ATI uses the 600 series Modules I believe. I wish they would use the 1200 modules. Is the actual price difference worth a few thousand? probably not. What you are getting is a product built by one of the top companies in the high-end home theater market. I trust a company that produces one of the best AVP's in the world. Sure, there is definitely a premium for that. Just like there is a premium to purchase McIntosh products. If you want those lovely blue meters, you're gonna pay for it. But their products are actually great as well. So, people still drop the money for them. Warranty on these expensive products definitely plays a small factor when purchasing. But really at the end of the day you're going to purchase what you really want. I think a 5-year warranty nowadays is going to become the standard. If I see anything below 3, I'm most likely going to stay away from that. Me personally that is. But like you said, some people will put warranty above all else and that's absolutely fine.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

ATI uses the 600 series Modules I believe. I wish they would use the 1200 modules.

What is the difference in measurements between the two modules?

 

[Movie2099]

What is the difference in measurements between the two modules?

Haha, have not dug that deep. I think Gene should test it out. I'm sure he can get his hands on a Trinnov and ATI class D amp. He's got connections.