Biden vs. Trump Debates

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Mr._Clark

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Yup. If the person being interviewed wasn't a retired general I wouldn't have believed it. I find the thought rather frightening, frankly.
This reminds me of how close we came to a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crises:

>>>On 27 October 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a group of eleven United States Navy destroyers and the aircraft carrier USS Randolph located the diesel-powered, nuclear-armed Foxtrot-class submarine B-59 near Cuba. Despite being in international waters, the United States Navy started dropping signaling depth charges, explosives intended to force the submarine to come to the surface for identification. There had been no contact from Moscow for a number of days and, although the submarine's crew had earlier been picking up U.S. civilian radio broadcasts, once B-59 began attempting to hide from its U.S. Navy pursuers, it was too deep to monitor any radio traffic. Those on board did not know whether war had broken out or not. The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, decided that a war might already have started and wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo.

Unlike the other subs in the flotilla, three officers on board B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the flotilla commodore (and executive officer of B-59) Arkhipov. Typically, Soviet submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo, but due to Arkhipov's position as Commodore, B-59's captain also was required to gain Arkhipov's approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.

Even though Arkhipov was second-in-command of the submarine B-59, he was in fact Commodore of the entire submarine flotilla, including B-4, B-36 and B-130. According to author Edward Wilson, the reputation Arkhipov had gained from his courageous conduct in the previous year's K-19 incident also helped him prevail. Arkhipov eventually persuaded Savitsky to surface and await orders from Moscow. This effectively averted the general nuclear war which probably would have ensued if the nuclear weapon had been fired.<<<

 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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This reminds me of how close we came to a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crises:

>>>On 27 October 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a group of eleven United States Navy destroyers and the aircraft carrier USS Randolph located the diesel-powered, nuclear-armed Foxtrot-class submarine B-59 near Cuba. Despite being in international waters, the United States Navy started dropping signaling depth charges, explosives intended to force the submarine to come to the surface for identification. There had been no contact from Moscow for a number of days and, although the submarine's crew had earlier been picking up U.S. civilian radio broadcasts, once B-59 began attempting to hide from its U.S. Navy pursuers, it was too deep to monitor any radio traffic. Those on board did not know whether war had broken out or not. The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, decided that a war might already have started and wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo.

Unlike the other subs in the flotilla, three officers on board B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the flotilla commodore (and executive officer of B-59) Arkhipov. Typically, Soviet submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo, but due to Arkhipov's position as Commodore, B-59's captain also was required to gain Arkhipov's approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.

Even though Arkhipov was second-in-command of the submarine B-59, he was in fact Commodore of the entire submarine flotilla, including B-4, B-36 and B-130. According to author Edward Wilson, the reputation Arkhipov had gained from his courageous conduct in the previous year's K-19 incident also helped him prevail. Arkhipov eventually persuaded Savitsky to surface and await orders from Moscow. This effectively averted the general nuclear war which probably would have ensued if the nuclear weapon had been fired.<<<

Just saw this recently....scary.
 
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Mr._Clark

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Just saw this recently....scary.
Yeah, this scare the bejesus out of me (although I may owe my existence to the Cuban Missile Crisis)(the timing of my conception suggests that I may be the result of "parental stress relief activity" during the Cuban Missile Crisis)(Yeah, TMI, I know).

There Was another close call in 1983:

>>>Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; 7 September 1939 – 19 May 2017) was a lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces who played a key role in the 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident. On 26 September 1983, three weeks after the Soviet military had shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Petrov was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile had been launched from the United States, followed by up to five more. Petrov judged the reports to be a false alarm, and his decision to disobey orders, against Soviet military protocol, is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in a large-scale nuclear war. Investigation later confirmed that the Soviet satellite warning system had indeed malfunctioned.<<<

 
jinjuku

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And it's been announced: POTUS and FLOTUS have the Chinese Virus. If I could I would marry Karma right now.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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And it's been announced: POTUS and FLOTUS have the Chinese Virus. If I could I would marry Karma right now.
I have wondered how long he could continue with his risky behavior and go uninfected. Considering the never ending photos of Trump with other officials with no masks or distancing, I wonder how big this high office outbreak will be. It could be hundreds of people.
 
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Ponzio

Ponzio

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Thanks to Hope Hicks? One time presidential aide.

She was recently diagnosed after coming back from the debates in Cleveland with the president’s party. She was back helping the president prep for the debate; she was part of the debate team. :rolleyes:

BTW the Cleveland Clinic asked/requested the president’s party to wear masks when they arrived and they refused, prior to the debate itself.

I imagine there’s a long list of suspects, considering his disdain for wearing a mask; too unmanly.

Another event that comes to mind is the New Year’s Party at Mar-A-Lago, at his country club this year, where one of the Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro’s party/aide’s in attendance was infected. I remember seeing a video of Don, Jr.’s girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle going around smooching people, she seemed tipsy, and she tested positive for the virus later on.

Yep, I wasn’t losing my mind. :D
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/kimberly-guilfoyle-trump-campaign-coronavirus.html
 
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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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I'd celebrate but my agnostic/Catholic guilt won't let me.

I believe the German's call it Schadenfreude for what I’m feeling.
Exactly. Don't take pleasure in others' misfortune, as it makes one no better than them. What if Biden should be diagnosed with COVID later? He is being more cautious than Trump, but no measure is foolproof.
 
Old Onkyo

Old Onkyo

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Now you know I am calling Bulsch! The master of distraction and public manipulation at work again.

Complete train wreck at the debate, taking serious heat for his refusal to denounce white supremacy.

Keep drinking yawl, you will soon have President Ivanka.

Next move, delay the election...
 
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