Best "high end" AVP

[lovinthehd]

I think both measurements and a good read of the manual are in order before purchase in any case.

 

[PENG]

By way, hurry up and build your Hypex amp, that's the kind of amps that you don't have to hear one to buy. There, are enough measurements out there.

 

[snakeeyes]

Not sure what is the measurement that matters to each individual, but I believe most rooms do have some background noise that also affects the importance of those measurements. (Let’s measure it and report it to the manufacturers so they can verify it or not and also hopefully work towards improvements)

As you cross into the super expensive gear hopefully it has important added features that justify those extra bucks. (Slightly better or worse measurements are not enough unless you can afford to waste money) LOL

 

[PENG]

I can neither confirm nor deny my agreement.

if you shop by measurement alone, and can’t connect half your gear… what good is it? If you can’t set it up yourself and end up needing to have a Geek come and program it for you…
These are things that matter.

Now that I would have to agree 100%. What I disagreed with is the general statement style one the, if there is but to go with that one then we would be in agreement. Anyway, now I know what you meant, that if someone see something with great measurements, i.e. THD+N, SR, FR, IMD, DR, DF, you name it the thing ace'd it but the thing won't even do half the thing for the application that require certain features, then it would indeed be foolish to buy just because it measured great on the electrical/audio specs.. I didn't mean to come across being too sensitive, it was sort of the tongue-in-cheek moment.

 

[}Fear_Inoculum{]

By way, hurry up and build your Hypex amp, that's the kind of amps that you don't have to hear one to buy. There, are enough measurements out there.

They're next up on my list. Just got my RSL C34E MKII Speakers today for Atmos. Now I need the amps to power said Speakers. (As well as doing a bit of a reno on the HT room).

 

[ryanosaur]

Now that I would have to agree 100%. What I disagreed with is the general statement style one the, if there is but to go with that one then we would be in agreement. Anyway, now I know what you meant, that if someone see something with great measurements, i.e. THD+N, SR, FR, IMD, DR, DF, you name it the thing ace'd it but the thing won't even do half the thing for the application that require certain features, then it would indeed be foolish to buy just because it measured great on the electrical/audio specs.. I didn't mean to come across being too sensitive, it was sort of the tongue-in-cheek moment.

I know. I was there with you.

 

[ryanosaur]

They're next up on my list. Just got my RSL C34E MKII Speakers today for Atmos. Now I need the amps to power said Speakers. (As well as doing a bit of a reno on the HT room).

I thought he was talking to me! I'm sitting on 5 NC400 Monoblocks.

 

[}Fear_Inoculum{]

I thought he was talking to me! I'm sitting on 5 NC400 Monoblocks.

Maybe he was. I'd asked him a couple of days ago about the VTV amp he bought.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

? So the worth of a particular multichannel AVP/AVR is conveniently ranked by only its tested SINAD number? This would ignore multiple features which may increase or decrease the rank to many.


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The Yamaha AVRs‘ SINAD and THD+N are nothing to brag about, but I will take a Yamaha any day.

I posted that chart for 2 reasons:

1. I figured people would bring up ASR and SINAD sooner or later, so might as well get it out of the way first.

2. I had no idea what the OP meant by “BEST” AVP. Most things are purely subjective - sound quality, auto Room EQ, features, etc. So how do you determine what is “BEST”?

We can look at some numbers and see what’s the “best” number. But we can’t say what is subjectively “best”.

I think Yamaha has the BEST WiFi Remote Control and BEST WiFi Streaming App - MusicCast.

 

[ryanosaur]

2. I had no idea what the OP meant by “BEST” AVP. Most things are purely subjective - sound quality, auto Room EQ, features, etc. So how do you determine what is “BEST”?

One that works.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

One that works.

True dat. That’s why I don’t have any desire to change AVP - my Yamaha works absolutely perfectly for me. No bugs. No glitches. Just works 100% of the time.

 

[ryanosaur]

True dat. That’s why I don’t have any desire to change AVP - my Yamaha works absolutely perfectly for me. No bugs. No glitches. Just works 100% of the time.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by the fact that all...
ALL...
of these machines that do not require a second mortgage to purchase...
are borked.
And yes, this includes the still-recurring boot-loop issue with the HTP-1. They have largely fixed some portion of it, but the machine does still lock up from time to time. To be fair, they improved the recovery image and the process is... simpler...
BUT... it does still happen. (One guy who is a network specialist thinks it is an external issue from the HTP-1, because it does not afflict all machines, and many users have seemingly never had an instance of failure.

Yes. I just want a working machine, either this year or next year, with fully functional HDMI 2.1.

 

[lovinthehd]

I am absolutely gobsmacked by the fact that all...
ALL...
of these machines that do not require a second mortgage to purchase...
are borked.
And yes, this includes the still-recurring boot-loop issue with the HTP-1. They have largely fixed some portion of it, but the machine does still lock up from time to time. To be fair, they improved the recovery image and the process is... simpler...
BUT... it does still happen. (One guy who is a network specialist thinks it is an external issue from the HTP-1, because it does not afflict all machines, and many users have seemingly never had an instance of failure.

Yes. I just want a working machine, either this year or next year, with fully functional HDMI 2.1.

Corporate reasons like trying to keep a planned time frame? Not enough QA?

 

[Cos]

The Trinnov Altitude 16 now does 20 discrete channels with a software upgrade.

One of the most unique features is that unlike almost every other AVP/AVR brand it does not down sample hi res music to 48 hz when using room EQ simultaneously.

It is now $18000.00 plus 800.00 more if you want the microphone to do your own room optimization. It now has a setup wizard which allows for easy setup.


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Definitely not trying to knock the Trinnov, its an outstanding AVP and I am sure people who buy one already have end game speakers. That being said the Anthem does NOT have 20 discrete channels, but it also does NOT downsample music or hires content with Arc Genesis, which is a plus as well.

 

[lovinthehd]

Definitely not trying to knock the Trinnov, its an outstanding AVP and I am sure people who buy one already have end game speakers. That being said the Anthem does have 20 discrete channels, but it also does NOT downsample music or hires content with Arc Genesis, which is a plus as well.

Just curious, not just end game speakers, but what the heck kinda projection setup and room where this becomes particularly interesting? What kinda theaters we talking about?!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am absolutely gobsmacked by the fact that all...
ALL...
of these machines that do not require a second mortgage to purchase...
are borked.
And yes, this includes the still-recurring boot-loop issue with the HTP-1. They have largely fixed some portion of it, but the machine does still lock up from time to time. To be fair, they improved the recovery image and the process is... simpler...
BUT... it does still happen. (One guy who is a network specialist thinks it is an external issue from the HTP-1, because it does not afflict all machines, and many users have seemingly never had an instance of failure.

Yes. I just want a working machine, either this year or next year, with fully functional HDMI 2.1.

What's wrong with just getting something from Denon, Marantz or Yamaha? They seem to JUST WORK.

I've never seen these kinds of bugs with any AVR or AVP's I've ever used from DMY.

 

[Cos]

What's wrong with just getting something from Denon, Marantz or Yamaha? They seem to JUST WORK.

I've never seen these kinds of bugs with any AVR or AVP's I've ever used from DMY.

There is nothing wrong with those 3, people should buy what they like. I had good a positive experience with Anthem as my first pre/pro was an AVM 30, then AVM 50 (through their upgrade program). The AVM70 was released before it should have and had significant bugs and no Arc at launch. I waited, while still not perfect, I can safely say as I relearn arc, that I have run into almost no issues. One exception is the option to have the unit shut off if no signal is coming through it timer. It shuts off whether there is a signal or not.

I have owned many Yamahas and Marantz units (and still do) and never really had an issue with any of them. The loan exception was Marantz's blu-ray player, it was junk.

 

[Golfx]

Definitely not trying to knock the Trinnov, its an outstanding AVP and I am sure people who buy one already have end game speakers. That being said the Anthem does NOT have 20 discrete channels, but it also does NOT downsample music or hires content with Arc Genesis, which is a plus as well.

I did not know that. Must be some confusion because the AVS owners’ forum was indicating the opposite even posting a pic of a roon feed showing downsample conversion??

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[Cos]

I did not know that. Must be some confusion because the AVS owners’ forum was indicating the opposite even posting a pic of a roon feed showing downsample conversion??

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Review from Secrets of Home Audio and High Fidelity on AVM 70, I will have to test, could also be a not ready for prime time ARC issue. I have read that wen you add surround modes it could be downsample.

Comments from Nick at Anthem (got that off AVS forum)

Further detail:
Nick of Anthem and the manual both state that the AVM 60 does not downsample to perform room correction.

Here is a quote from Nick of Anthem in the AVM 60 thread: “No downsampling either with ARC, bass management, and AnthemLogic running in any combination, including all at once. For any additional concerns please contact tech support, thanks.”

The manual also says on page 35 that it doesn’t downsample for ARC.

But I’ve read elsewhere that if you add other surround sound modes on top, such as Dolby Surround or DTS Neural X, it downsamples to 48/24.

 

[3db]

Not sure what is the measurement that matters to each individual, but I believe most rooms do have some background noise that also affects the importance of those measurements. (Let’s measure it and report it to the manufacturers so they can verify it or not and also hopefully work towards improvements)

Agreed and this sadly lacking in the CE industry. We need something like a Floyd Toole's bible on understanding the human perception of noise and how much and what type of nosise and when becomes audible. There's a discussion on another form where the thread bashes AVRs and that everyone of them needs a power amp behind them to provide clean sound. They give numeric arguements and from a text book example, it does show that power is required. Now if one is to look at the reality, human hearing CANNOT detect clipping of transients as its too short in duration for the ear to pick it up. The limitations of human hearing is almost never discussed in threads like that.

As you cross into the super expensive gear hopefully it has important added features that justify those extra bucks. (Slightly better or worse measurements are not enough unless you can afford to waste money) LOL

Those 18 channels devices are for HT theaters and really aren't meant to fit into the average man's HT room. Unless I win the mega lottery which can afford me a dedicated HT theater and the rest of the rooms to support it, ie bathroom, kitchen, bedroom, etc I'm not going to look at these.